Infinity War Is the Avengers trilogy (SO FAR) better than the Captain America trilogy?

[Leenie]

I did a different comparison. I think the Avengers is better than TFA. But if TFA is the least of the Cap Trilogy and AOU is the least of the the current Avengers trilogy, then I would give the nod to Cap.

TFA < TA
TWS > AOU
It depends on whether you thought IW was better than CW.



TWS, CW and IW is an impressive 3 set of movies and in comparison to other directors?

Michael Vaughn - Stardust, Kingsman 1 & 2, Kick Ass & X-Men: First Class
Bryan Singer - X-Men, X2, Superman Returns, DOFP & Apocalypse
Zack Snyder - 300, MOS, BvS, Watchmen and JL
Josh Whedon - Avengers, AOU & JL
Guillermo del Toro - Blade 2, Hellboy & Hellboy 2
Sam Raimi - Spider-Man, Spider-Man 2 & Spider-Man 3
Russo Brothers - TWS, CW, Avengers 3
Christopher Nolan - TDKT
James Gunn - GOTG Trilogy*

I know most people would still pick Nolan, but I think the argument can be made even if their movies aren't part of a trilogy and if Avengers 4 is equal to better than IW, even more so?

I think the Russo Brothers are better than Nolan. While The Dark Knight is still just an incredible movie and one of the best ever, I simply like Batman Begins and don't think The Dark Knight Rises is that good of a film (honestly felt like Nolan phoned that last movie in, which is still better than most blockbusters that come out these days, but still).

The Russos, on the other hand? Winter Soldier, Civil War, and now Infinity War. I LOVE all three.

 

[Leenie]

As fans we are really lucky. First Whedon and then at the perfect time here come the Russos. The Russos are probably the best thing to ever happen to the MCU.

But honorable mention has to go to:

Favreau
Branagh
Gunn
Derrickson
Waititi

Absolutely!

(Even though I enjoyed Ant-Man and think it's lighthearted and delightful fun, especially since it came out after the bloated Age of Ultron, I still wish we had Edgar Wright on this list as well ... )

Of all the directors I'd like to return, though, I would be SO hyped if Waititi returned to make either another Thor movie or a Doctor Strange movie.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

Absolutely!

(Even though I enjoyed Ant-Man and think it's lighthearted and delightful fun, especially since it came out after the bloated Age of Ultron, I still wish we had Edgar Wright on this list as well ... )

Of all the directors I'd like to return, though, I would be SO hyped if Waititi returned to make either another Thor movie or a Doctor Strange movie.

Yeah I also really enjoyed Ant-Man but I didn't put Reed on the list yet because of Edgar Wright's involvement there. I know Peyton made heavy contributions but it remains to be seen how well he pulls of this next film all on his own.

 

[NHawk19]

Cap still has the best trilogy out there.

IFW while really great is kind of an Avengers movie in name only. It's something larger than a standard Avengers movie, and it's only half the story.

 

[Reverse_Flash]

No.

CATFA > AoU
TWS > all Avengers movies
Civil War > all Avengers moves

 

[daddydivine]

As fans we are really lucky. First Whedon and then at the perfect time here come the Russos. The Russos are probably the best thing to ever happen to the MCU.

But honorable mention has to go to:

Favreau
Branagh
Gunn
Derrickson
Waititi

Bruh... where is Coogler!

 

[kedrell]

I dunno...but it's damn close. They're easily the two best superhero trilogies ever made, IMO.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

Bruh... where is Coogler!

Doh! My bad. I knew I was forgetting someone!

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

Avengers:
1 = 10/10
2 = 8.5/10
3 = 10/10
Avg = 9.5

Cap:
1 = 7.5/10
2 = 9.5/10
3 = 10/10
Avg = 9/10

So yes, Avengers wins. Avengers also beats out TDK trilogy in my book. Whereas cap tied.

TDK:
1 = 9/10
2 = 10/10
3 = 8/10
Avg = 9/10

 

[warhorse78]

In my opinion, not even close to Cap's trilogy. I was so disappointed in AOU, I haven't even seen it again since my first time seeing it in the theater. Never even cared when it came out on BluRay.

 

[Chance Jackson]

Yes easily TFA drags the the Cap trilogy way down while I honestly prefer A2 to A1 so everyone else hating on A2 doesn't apply to me

 

[HammerDown]

The Avengers trilogy is better.
In my MCU top 5 I have 2 Avenger movies and CA: TWS. CA: TFA is by far the weakest of them all. AoU isn’t great but it’s good enough. CA: Civil War wasn’t really my cup of tea even though I recognize the great moments and craft in it. So if I had to rank the all it would be like this.

IW / Avengers
CA: TWS
CA: CW
Avengers: AoU
CA: TFA

 

[Verick808]

Definitely Captain America.
TFA 8.5
Winter Soldier 10
Civil War 8.5

Avengers 8.5
AoU 7
IW 9

 

[The Caped Knight]

I'd put Avengers just a smidge ahead of Caps trilogy.

nope the Cap trilogy is unique arc. The Avengers is like an annual event comic

 

[Dark Raven]

If you view the Avengers trilogy as "Avengers, Civil War and Infinity War" then it would be the best trilogy.

I sometimes wonder if the general public even remember that Civil War was a Captain America movie.

Infinity War is really the 4th Avengers movie even though officially it's the 3rd.

If there were a Secret Wars movie, you could simply have a new War trilogy: Civil War, Infinity War, Secret Wars.

 

[Spider-Fan]

People like to call it Avengers 2.5, but for me, it's firmly a Captain America movie. Just with a lot of other costumed co-stars, but the movie is all about Captain America and all the plot lines are in response to his story.

 

[marvellover]

Years later,I still think AOU is a big mess and one of the worst MCU movies since phase 2 and totally deserve all the hate it got

And WS is the best MCU movie imo,and TFA is better than AOU
So the answer is easy to me,NO

 

[Dark Raven]

People like to call it Avengers 2.5, but for me, it's firmly a Captain America movie. Just with a lot of other costumed co-stars, but the movie is all about Captain America and all the plot lines are in response to his story.

To me, it felt like episodes of shows like Star Trek the Next Generation where it's an ensemble cast, but it might focus more on one or two characters on one particular week. It didn't suddenly become a Captain Picard show or Commander Riker show. It still was Star Trek: TNG.

Civil War was like an Avengers movie that just had more focus on Cap and Iron Man.

If this were all a TV show (albeit a very expensive TV show) instead of a series of movies, Civil War could easily have felt like an episode of Avengers which simply had the focus on someone else that week, but the others were still firmly present.

On another note, watching Winter Soldier again, it sometimes feels like a very big budget version of Agents of SHIELD. There are some definite similarities with the general look or feel. That film, out of all the MCU films, is probably the one closest to the show.

 

[Iceman]

Both franchises have 2 films I really like.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

To me, it felt like episodes of shows like Star Trek the Next Generation where it's an ensemble cast, but it might focus more on one or two characters on one particular week. It didn't suddenly become a Captain Picard show or Commander Riker show. It still was Star Trek: TNG.

Civil War was like an Avengers movie that just had more focus on Cap and Iron Man.

If this were all a TV show (albeit a very expensive TV show) instead of a series of movies, Civil War could easily have felt like an episode of Avengers which simply had the focus on someone else that week, but the others were still firmly present.

On another note, watching Winter Soldier again, it sometimes feels like a very big budget version of Agents of SHIELD. There are some definite similarities with the general look or feel. That film, out of all the MCU films, is probably the one closest to the show.

Yeah this is how I feel about Civil War too. I get that Cap is the focus but so is Iron Man. Honestly, I not only consider Civil War an Avengers film, it is in my opinion the best Iron Man film.

I feel Winter Soldier is Cap's best film though. It really elevated him to a whole other level and despite the extended SHIELD cast it never felt anything other than his own movie to me.

Same with the first movie - and there's a quaintness and sincerity about it I really enjoy. I couldn't imagine Cap starting off in any other era so I'm glad Feige stuck to his guns on that. But I do think overall it is one of the weaker entries in the MCU.

 

[Dark Raven]

Yeah this is how I feel about Civil War too. I get that Cap is the focus but so is Iron Man. Honestly, I not only consider Civil War an Avengers film, it is in my opinion the best Iron Man film.

I feel Winter Soldier is Cap's best film though. It really elevated him to a whole other level and despite the extended SHIELD cast it never felt anything other than his own movie to me.

Same with the first movie - and there's a quaintness and sincerity about it I really enjoy. I couldn't imagine Cap starting off in any other era so I'm glad Feige stuck to his guns on that. But I do think overall it is one of the weaker entries in the MCU.

I wish the First Avenger had Cap go into battle with his USO show suit. Although he wore it under that long trench coat, I would've liked him to be in a situation where he had to actually fight in the full costume with the cowl and wings. Maybe he didn't have time to change. If it were an emergency, why would he suddenly decide he doesn't want to dress this way?

It also took a while for him to finally suit up as Cap. Well over an hour or more. Then there was a montage instead of specific missions, which weakened it.

I think it should've also had proper Nazis in it that Cap could punch or hit with his shield. It was a bit watered down with Hydra.

I think AOS's overuse of Hydra though has made the Cap films slightly less effective and more like an expensive episode of the ABC TV show instead.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Yeah this is how I feel about Civil War too. I get that Cap is the focus but so is Iron Man. Honestly, I not only consider Civil War an Avengers film, it is in my opinion the best Iron Man film.

I feel Winter Soldier is Cap's best film though. It really elevated him to a whole other level and despite the extended SHIELD cast it never felt anything other than his own movie to me.

Same with the first movie - and there's a quaintness and sincerity about it I really enjoy. I couldn't imagine Cap starting off in any other era so I'm glad Feige stuck to his guns on that. But I do think overall it is one of the weaker entries in the MCU.

Iron Man is an antagonist in CW, not a protagonist. Cap is chasing Zemo, the unquestioned villain of the movie, but Stark's role is to oppose Cap in his pursuit of Zemo. Thus making him a 2nd antagonist (though villain would be a strong word). The whole story is about Cap's actions and how others respond to what he is doing/what Zemo is tricking them into doing. This fully manifests when Cap has to overcome Iron Man physically.

Yes, Iron Man is a huge part of CW, but he is not a co-protagonist like he is in the Avengers films. That is why Civil War is firmly a Captain America film. I get why people think of it as an Avengers 2.5, but it's truly not.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

I wish the First Avenger had Cap go into battle with his USO show suit. Although he wore it under that long trench coat, I would've liked him to be in a situation where he had to actually fight in the full costume with the cowl and wings. Maybe he didn't have time to change. If it were an emergency, why would he suddenly decide he doesn't want to dress this way?

It also took a while for him to finally suit up as Cap. Well over an hour or more. Then there was a montage instead of specific missions, which weakened it.

I think it should've also had proper Nazis in it that Cap could punch or hit with his shield. It was a bit watered down with Hydra.

I think AOS's overuse of Hydra though has made the Cap films slightly less effective and more like an expensive episode of the ABC TV show instead.

Yeah I agree with most of this. Personally I would've been happy with just adding more Nazis - and maybe a little more villainy from Red Skull. Weaving was decent but Skull is just evil man. We will probably never get to see that level of evil with Red Skull in these films.

However, the feel of the movie is a little more quaint so I'm ok with the creative choices in the end - and it did have that Indiana Jones kind of vibe which was cool.

 

[LvtLeeTDK]

I think the Russo Brothers are better than Nolan. While The Dark Knight is still just an incredible movie and one of the best ever, I simply like Batman Begins and don't think The Dark Knight Rises is that good of a film (honestly felt like Nolan phoned that last movie in, which is still better than most blockbusters that come out these days, but still).

The Russos, on the other hand? Winter Soldier, Civil War, and now Infinity War. I LOVE all three.

I don't think so. The Russo's films are quite standard in terms of writing and directing. Sure they're entertaining but when talking about pure general film-making like camera work, dialogue, directing, pacing,... Begins and TDK are simply better (especially much better in cinematography and script/dialogue,).

The Russo brother is good but their skills and what they did are kind of standard. Nothing really outstanding.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

Iron Man is an antagonist in CW, not a protagonist. Cap is chasing Zemo, the unquestioned villain of the movie, but Stark's role is to oppose Cap in his pursuit of Zemo. Thus making him a 2nd antagonist (though villain would be a strong word). The whole story is about Cap's actions and how others respond to what he is doing/what Zemo is tricking them into doing. This fully manifests when Cap has to overcome Iron Man physically.

Yes, Iron Man is a huge part of CW, but he is not a co-protagonist like he is in the Avengers films. That is why Civil War is firmly a Captain America film. I get why people think of it as an Avengers 2.5, but it's truly not.

I'm not sure I consider Iron Man the antagonist because he kind of has a point. I don't agree with everything Stark does but some could see his side as valid. Cap was true to being Cap but I'm not sure fighting was the answer. Mistakes were made on all sides. It's hard to really root for anybody.

I totally respect if you view it as purely a Cap film but I do not. It's firmly an Avengers film in my mind with Cap as one of the main characters.