The Dark Knight Is The Joker Hype reaching ridiculously high expectations?

[figsy]

DiCaprio would have the "look" of Heath's Joker but I'll be pretty disappointed if the part is recast for a third movie. I wouldn't go see it, as far as I'm concerned now. But luckly I don't really see that happening anyway.

You really wouldn't watch the third installment if Ledger was recast? It seems a little early to be getting defensive about his portrayal of the joker don't ya think? Considering, y'know, that you haven't seen the movie yet?

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

Leo dosent have what it takes to be The Joker, I for one WOULD NOT take him seriously.

 

[The Senator]

I wouldn't have been too nuts if I'd heard months of hype about Anthony Hopkins before I saw Silence of the Lambs when it dropped. Even with all the good will in the world, I probably would've read that performance as hammy. Luckily, the Ledger footage looks pretty fresh and inventive, mostly, so hopefully the performance will hold.

Plus, he really is solid: Lords of Dogtown, Brokeback Mountain, Monster's Ball... heck, he (and Bettany) even managed to make A Knight's Tale watchable, and lord knows Ledger's role there was pretty one-dimensional and thankless, and that movie shouldn't havee worked at all...

I think we'll be okay.

I don't really know if you can judge spot-on how an actor will be in a film based on his past work. It gives a good indication of how he will be, but it doesn't give the whole picture. I won't really be able to judge him until I see the movie, and I'm only afraid that what I'll see may not reach my really high expectations.

 

[The Senator]

Leo dosent have what it takes to be The Joker, I for one WOULD NOT take him seriously.

In all fairness, people said similar things about Heath Ledger when he was cast as the Joker. He didn't become as hyped as he is now until sometime last summer, when pics and plot details started to be released.

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

You cant truly judge no, but you can make an opinion based off of what you've seen the other films an actors been in. When Ledger was cast I wasnt one of the people flipping out on here, I just waited til I saw some pics and heard his Joker voice, then the footage I was bought. But some actors I just cant see filling the shoes of certain characters.

 

[Dendawen]

Leo dosent have what it takes to be The Joker, I for one WOULD NOT take him seriously.

You mean the same way most people didn't take Heath seriously when they found out he was going to do it? I'm not saying Leo would or wouldn't be a good joker just pointing out you're assuming a lot of the same things people did about Heath.

Not that it really matters as I doubt he'll recast anyways.

edit - hmm nevermind. it seems you answered my post above which i didn't see.

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

You mean the same way most people didn't take Heath seriously when they found out he was going to do it? I'm not saying Leo would or wouldn't be a good joker just pointing out you're assuming a lot of the same things people did about Heath.

Not that it really matters as I doubt he'll recast anyways.

edit - hmm nevermind. it seems you answered my post above which i didn't see.

Read my post above, I explain my reasoning. Im not against casting someone against the grain of what people expect, usually for me it works, sometimes its awful. I just cant see some actors portraying specific characters, I mean thats just my opinion.

 

[Keyser Soze]

The hype around Ledger is so ridiculous. It will be interesting to see how professional critics will be. Ledger is not the greatest actor that has ever graced Hollywood. Are they gonna based his performace on emotions and sympathy factor?

That's a double-edged sword. On the other hand, even if the performance is absolutely stunning, and gets deserved praise, you'll get people who'll just dismiss it all and say it's only well-received because of the sympathy factor.

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

That's a double-edged sword. On the other hand, even if the performance is absolutely stunning, and gets deserved praise, you'll get people who'll just dismiss it all and say it's only well-received because of the sympathy factor.

Thats the way Hollywood is and always will be.

 

[BatmanFan]

If this isn't in the appropriate thread/forum, please merge as needed . I've been reading alot of comments around here lately, and I decided to write up this short essay concerning my fear that people are setting insatiable expectations concerning Heath Ledger's performance.

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Is it wise for people to go into “The Dark Knight” under the notion that they are about to witness a guaranteed Oscar nominated performance? Is it wise to convince yourself that this will be the greatest villainous role of the last decade, so long before the movie’s release?

you make it sound as if we are talking about a college career or something important, its just a movie... if you go in with big expectations or not, who cares? wise? talk like that should be reserved for things that matter, not some movie

 

[weezerspider]

This thread would have never been made if Spiderman 3 didn't flop. Now, all comic fans fear that a hyped superhero movie is going to suck. A lot of people said Iron Man was going to be a let down just for the sake of not being disapointed. That movie was great. I don't think anyone needs to worry about Ledger's performance, or the movie itself, being over-hyped. Does Ledger diserve Oscar talk? no, not yet anyway, but people are still going to talk. And lets be honest, hyped movies have a better chance of being bad than hyped performances(theres been some not-so-great movies with fantastic performances by an individual), so if we should worry about anything, it should be that the movie itself is too hyped, not Joker.

 

[super17]

you make it sound as if we are talking about a college career or something important, its just a movie... if you go in with big expectations or not, who cares? wise? talk like that should be reserved for things that matter, not some movie

lol, You're in a discussion forum for The Dark Knight, a Batman film. Your preaching to the wrong crowd here

 

[BatmanFanatic]

lol, You're in a discussion forum for The Dark Knight, a Batman film. Your preaching to the wrong crowd here

Well I mean I'm completely obsessed with the film and all that... but because I'm obsessed, if someone offered me the script to the movie I'd read it in a heartbeat - twice. So I just don't get people saying it's not "wise" to spoil the film for yourself or get your expectations up really high... I think the filmmakers want our expectations to be high, and I think they want us to be somewhat spoiled by all the viral games and hints they've been giving us, so of course its only natural if they tease us to be curious and to try to figure it out.

 

[Rory Gets Paid]

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: the only man capable of filling Heath's shoes for the role of the Joker in a third installment (and perhaps the one actor who could actually get away with putting his own spin on what Heath started) would be Daniel Day-Lewis.

 

[super17]

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: the only man capable of filling Heath's shoes for the role of the Joker in a third installment (and perhaps the one actor who could actually get away with putting his own spin on what Heath started) would be Daniel Day-Lewis.

I 100% agree. I've always been saying that as well. DDL FTW

 

[Figs]

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: the only man capable of filling Heath's shoes for the role of the Joker in a third installment (and perhaps the one actor who could actually get away with putting his own spin on what Heath started) would be Daniel Day-Lewis.

I ****ing guarantee that if Daniel Day-Lewis hadn't done There Will Be Blood(and won the Oscar) all these fanboys wouldn't be picking him for a possible replacement.

Try to be a little more original guys...stay away from the things that are considered stereotypes of fanboys...even though most are true.

 

[Rory Gets Paid]

I ****ing guarantee that if Daniel Day-Lewis hadn't done There Will Be Blood(and won the Oscar) all these fanboys wouldn't be picking him for a possible replacement.

Try to be a little more original guys...stay away from the things that are considered stereotypes of fanboys...even though most are true.

Well, you're entitled to your opinion...if nothing else.

 

[Hole Shot]

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: the only man capable of filling Heath's shoes for the role of the Joker in a third installment (and perhaps the one actor who could actually get away with putting his own spin on what Heath started) would be Daniel Day-Lewis.

Too old, I think part of the reason for casting Heath was the closeness in age to Bale. That's why I still like the idea of Leo.

 

[Figs]

Well, you're entitled to your opinion...if nothing else.

Keep rolling your eyes, you know the DDL thing is true.


Now where was that thread in Community about the signs of fanboys.


Seriously...if people had picked him as someone they would want as the Joker before Heath was announced and There Will Be Blood was made I wouldn't have a problem.

Out of all the posts I've read before, during and after the announcement of who will play the Joker no one mentioned DDL as someone they would want.

 

[Hole Shot]

Out of all the posts I've read before, during and after the announcement of who will play the Joker no one mentioned DDL as someone they would want.

Because it would be like recasting Christian Bale with Harrison Ford.

 

[Figs]

Because it would be like recasting Christian Bale with Harrison Ford.

I wasn't only talking about the recasting but when it was first announced who would play Joker in The Dark Knight.

No one had said anything like "I want DDL to play the Joker" or "They should get DDL for the Joker".

My earlier point was that his name is getting brought up as a possible pick for a recast only because he won the Oscar for There Will Be Blood.

If that movie had not come out you wouldn't be seeing anyone bringing up his name for a recast of the Joker.

 

[Hole Shot]

I wasn't only talking about the recasting but when it was first announced who would play Joker in The Dark Knight.

No one had said anything like "I want DDL to play the Joker" or "They should get DDL for the Joker".

My earlier point was that his name is getting brought up as a possible pick for a recast only because he won the Oscar for There Will Be Blood.

If that movie had not come out you wouldn't be seeing anyone bringing up his name for a recast of the Joker.

Jett brought him up in a article a couple days ago. And I think he was using DDL as an example of the caliber of acting ability required to replace Heath, not him specifically. Even without the 2 Best Acting Oscars, DDL has been regarded as one of the best screen actors in business for a long time now.

 

[bullets]

DDL is a great actor but will not be replacing Heath as the Joker. There are numerous people that could probably do a good job with the role but it wont happen . It would be weird for everyone invovled .

 

[Figs]

Jett brought him up in a article a couple days ago. And I think he was using DDL as an example of the caliber of acting ability required to replace Heath, not him specifically. Even without the 2 Best Acting Oscars, DDL has been regarded as one of the best screen actors in business for a long time now.

I don't go over to BoF and I don't care what Jett has to say either.

Your missing my point.

I agree DDL is one of the best actors in the business.

What I have been saying is, ever since people started talking about possible recasts(on these boards at least, I don't go to any others)after Heath's death, DDL's name has been brought up in typical fanboy fashion.

If he had never made There Will Be Blood most of the fanboys wouldn't have thought to pick him.

It's the typical fanboy thing of picking who's "hot" for whatever roles are being discussed.

Like I said already, before There Will Be Blood was out and before they had announced Heath would be playing Joker no one mentioned DDL as a possible Joker.

It's only since he won the Oscar and fans started talking about replacements was he getting picked as one. If he hadn't made There Will Be Blood and fans were speculating on who could replace Heath...I doubt DDL's name would have came up.

 

[Hole Shot]

I get what you're saying.