Is the over reliance on humour a problem in the MCU

[TeeKay]

That literally never happens.....

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I think He's talking about that scene on those rescue boats where Hawkeye says,"It's been a long day" or something like that. I'm not sure if that line was meant to be funny tho Coz I didn't laugh.

 

[MadVillainy]

That line worked. I think worse was the scene right after when Hulk throws Ultron out.

That being said I think the humor for the most part in AoU was fine

 

[TeeKay]

That line worked. I think worse was the scene right after when Hulk throws Ultron out.

That being said I think the humor for the most part in AoU was fine

I was in tears when Hulk threw Ultron out.

 

[MadVillainy]

Again the scene by itself is fine, but it's just so stupid putting if less than a minute after showing Quicksilver's lifeless body. I dont get why do that unless youre trying to make a full blown comedy

 

[TeeKay]

It was misplaced. I guess Whedon wanted to break the tension a little bit.

 

[MadVillainy]

That's his thing.

Isn't his mantra (paraphrasing) Make people cry, make them feel something, and dammit tell a joke afterward

 

[CaptainWagner]

Whedon completely screwed up Pietro's death (Which never should have happened to begin with). The Hawkeye oneliner was in poor taste, but not as bad as the cut to Hulk & Ultron in the quinjet and not nearly as bad as the fact that he NEVER GETS ACKNOWLEDGED AGAIN!!!!!

 

[TeeKay]

Isn't his Kid named Pietro? Besides he did mention it in CW "I owe her a debt"

 

[Rorschach2012]

I still think it's stupid that they killed Quicksilver

 

[MadVillainy]

I thiink it was a mistake to kill him after one movie.

I dont know where he wouldve fit in the future but killing him off was kinda cheap because it wasn't a character anyone really care that much about.

But at the same time he's kinda overpowered.

OT: superspeed characters are really hard to get right. Interested in seeing how they handle Flash's powers

 

[Zarex]

If Whedon was going to kill someone - and he earned the right after Avengers - Pietro was the obvious choice due to his shared rights and his much lower importance to the Avengers than his sis. Ill admit that dying from a bullet (?) shot by Ultron was a weak way out. Hopefully he'll return as a member of Kang's Legion of the Unloving.

 

[Batsfan1]

Honestly the humor wasn't really a problem until Avengers. IM, TIH and CA: TFA were all pretty balanced humor wise. Thor had a little too much humor, but that mostly came out of the fish out of water aspect, with the exception of Darcy, who is kept at a small dose. Whedon overdid. He took Tony, who was a wisecracking, entertaining, but tortured character and made him into a reckless butthole quipman. Made Cap into a grandpa. Turned Black Widow into a toned down Buffy, which isn't bad all by itself, but with BW, the quips seem out of place amongst the spy organization and contrast a little with the all business SHIELD Agent from IM 2. I feel like Joss could have eased into her more emotional side more carefully. Bruce is fine, but comes off more nerdy for some reason in Whedon's movies. And having Loki defeated via joke just took away so much of the drama of the situations in the movie and thinking about it after it comes off as lame Then Tony thing creates a problem though because Shane Black for whatever reason decided to try and match Whedon's comedy by continuing the Tony butthole quipman trend, but takes Happy Hogan down with him and even throws a joke into the villain. And it's made worse by Whedon again by AOU, where he increases the Tony reckless aspect even more. And Ultron is just a little much as a quip machine almost literally. Along with other characters. Civil War Tony feels so much more like the character than Whedon's version. It's why TWS, IM and CW are up there with TDK in quality. There's comedy and humor, but it's character based and not overdone. Heavier comedy works fine for something whimsical like Ant-Man and GOTG, though I do feel they overdo too it a little too much. Have a very great day!

God bless you all!

 

[Drizzle]

Whedon completely screwed up Pietro's death (Which never should have happened to begin with). The Hawkeye oneliner was in poor taste, but not as bad as the cut to Hulk & Ultron in the quinjet and not nearly as bad as the fact that he NEVER GETS ACKNOWLEDGED AGAIN!!!!!

Are you talking about when Hawkeye said "It's been a long day"? That wasn't a one-liner.

 

[Flint Marko]

Pietro's death didn't have much of an emotional impact but damn if I didn't love the "bet you didn't see that coming" running gag. From a technical perspective I think that's some brilliant story-telling, particularly because it was a deliberate meta-commentary on audience expectations. I was convinced Hawkeye would die, so that was quite the turn.

 

[harryoscop]

That literally never happens.....

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The scene that comes after that one where he pulls Pietro's body into the flying boat thing and says "It's been a Long day" was in poor taste. QS should have never died in the first place, I was generally angered by his death, such a great character wasted-- loved him in the movie. I honestly thought it was gonna be Hawkeye from the way they set everything up.

 

[AnneFan]

Humour is completely subjective.

 

[Set]

QS should have never died in the first place, I was generally angered by his death, such a great character wasted-- loved him in the movie. I honestly thought it was gonna be Hawkeye from the way they set everything up.

Agreed, although I've seen enough Whedon shows that I knew that Hawkeye was bulletproof once we met his family and saw his farm.

'Bought the farm' or mentioning looking forward to go home is literally the kiss of death in most movies ("I would have loved to see Montana..." from Red October, for instance). Whedon loves to 'surprise' people by killing off someone whose story isn't finished, and whose death *hasn't* been telegraphed like this. Hawkeye's story was finished. He's talking about retiring. We see his retirement plan (and home). It wouldn't be shocking or *hurt* to see him die at this point, because he's essentially being written out of the story anyway.

Quicksilver just showed up, and his story was just beginning. He's played by a likable young actor with many years (and potential films) ahead of him, in a cast of older actors whose contracts are running out, and whose price ranges continue an uninterrupted ascent to the stratosphere. Pietro's death *would* be a shock and a 'waste' and get people talking, and that's what Whedon lives for.

Never punch where they're looking. Feint for the face, then knee to the groin. That's classic Whedon.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Are you talking about when Hawkeye said "It's been a long day"? That wasn't a one-liner.

It was an exhausted, emotionally-drained Hawkeye expressing relief that his part was over.

 

[SuperAl]

Pietro's death didn't have much of an emotional impact but damn if I didn't love the "bet you didn't see that coming" running gag. From a technical perspective I think that's some brilliant story-telling, particularly because it was a deliberate meta-commentary on audience expectations. I was convinced Hawkeye would die, so that was quite the turn.

someone shouldve said that line after he died.

 

[Flint Marko]

someone shouldve said that line after he died.

Quicksilver said it to Hawkeye right before he collapsed and died. Again, I didn't particularly care that he was gone, but I thought that was a brilliant through-line.

 

[Mjölnir]

It was an exhausted, emotionally-drained Hawkeye expressing relief that his part was over.

That's exactly how I saw that line. I can't see any way that was meant to be funny.

 

[First Avenger]

It was an exhausted, emotionally-drained Hawkeye expressing relief that his part was over.

 

[kguillou]

I think Ironman 3 is what sparked the "humor debate" in these MCU films. If you look at the trailers, Marvel blatantly misdirected people into thinking we were getting a darker, edgier Ironman film that was going to deconstruct Tony Stark, and I think most of us were all for a movie like that. Mandarin twist aside, I think a lot of fans, including myself felt like the wool was pulled over them with the overabundance of not only humor but deflation of tension. Every time something cool or badass occurred it was punctuated with a joke or a "gotcha!" that took away from the moment. I think it was from this point where Marvel started to take their humor a little too far.

The phase one movies balanced humor and serious tension so well, and then in Phase two you could really feel the Disney influence (besides Winter Soldier). Humor is a good thing and I think its essential to have levity in these movies but I get annoyed when the tension is deflated when a serious scene or moment is punctuated with a joke. AoU would have been a much better film is Ultron wasn't so quippy and had more menace in his scenes.

At the end of the day, however, Marvel and Disney are playing to their audiences, and those of us upset at this overuse of humor are just a vocal minority.

 

[MadVillainy]

I think Ironman 3 is what sparked the "humor debate" in these MCU films. If you look at the trailers, Marvel blatantly misdirected people into thinking we were getting a darker, edgier Ironman film that was going to deconstruct Tony Stark, and I think most of us were all for a movie like that. Mandarin twist aside, I think a lot of fans, including myself felt like the wool was pulled over them with the overabundance of not only humor but deflation of tension. Every time something cool or badass occurred it was punctuated with a joke or a "gotcha!" that took away from the moment. I think it was from this point where Marvel started to take their humor a little too far.

The phase one movies balanced humor and serious tension so well, and then in Phase two you could really feel the Disney influence (besides Winter Soldier). Humor is a good thing and I think its essential to have levity in these movies but I get annoyed when the tension is deflated when a serious scene or moment is punctuated with a joke. AoU would have been a much better film is Ultron wasn't so quippy and had more menace in his scenes.

At the end of the day, however, Marvel and Disney are playing to their audiences, and those of us upset at this overuse of humor are just a vocal minority.

I'd argue that the start was with Iron Man 2. Cap and Thor didn't have too much problems with the humor but I think IM2 did something similar that you're talking about: giving us a mostly serious trailer, building up this very imposing and gritty looking villain, teasing these epic monelts only to have it have way too much humor and for the epic moments to be way too short.

 

[The_Manhunter]

Did Winter Soldier have too much humor?

Winter Soldier is a great example of Marvel getting that balance almost perfectly right.