Is the over reliance on humour a problem in the MCU

The DC thread is in a DC forum. The Marvel thread was in a DC forum.....so....not the same thing.

Sometimes threads are moved....sometimes they are simply closed and trashed.
Since I made that thread, just wanted to apologize for posting it in the DC forum. I thought I was in the general movies forum, hope I didn't cause any confusion.
 
I think Marvel should just be honest about what their movies are and people wont complain. Dont make a dark and gritty trailer when your movie is an action comedy. GoTG was upfront about what kind of movie it was from the first trailer. You knew what you were getting with that movie. Antman, you knew what you were getting with that movie. I feel Ironman 2, 3, TDW and AoU were kind of misleading in their promotion of what the actual movie was.
 
I think Marvel should just be honest about what their movies are and people wont complain. Dont make a dark and gritty trailer when your movie is an action comedy. GoTG was upfront about what kind of movie it was from the first trailer. You knew what you were getting with that movie. Antman, you knew what you were getting with that movie. I feel Ironman 2, 3, TDW and AoU were kind of misleading in their promotion of what the actual movie was.

AOU especially for me was misleading.
 
I think Marvel should just be honest about what their movies are and people wont complain. Dont make a dark and gritty trailer when your movie is an action comedy. GoTG was upfront about what kind of movie it was from the first trailer. You knew what you were getting with that movie. Antman, you knew what you were getting with that movie. I feel Ironman 2, 3, TDW and AoU were kind of misleading in their promotion of what the actual movie was.

Disagreed. I think only AOU and TDW were because they only two where humour was problem.
 
Winter Soldier is a great example of Marvel getting that balance almost perfectly right.

. . .for that movie. Which is the thing: different movies have different needs. Complaining about Iron Man 3 using too much humor is like complaining about Civil War using too much drama- missing the point.

Also, while the "too much humor" complaints certainly started with Iron Man 3, I think they really had very little to do with the amount of humor in the movie, which was comparable to all the prior Iron Man movies. If you look at the early negative reactions to the movie, few if any had to do with humor: they had to do with the Mandarin Twist, Tony not spending enough time in the suit, and Pepper Potts saving the day at the end.

( I would have more sympathy about Mandarin complaints if so many of them didn't show a complete disregard for who the Mandarin in the comics actually is. You can't complain about "they ruined the Mandarin", when the guy you wanted to be the Mandarin was considerably less like the comic character. )
 
. . .for that movie. Which is the thing: different movies have different needs. Complaining about Iron Man 3 using too much humor is like complaining about Civil War using too much drama- missing the point.

Also, while the "too much humor" complaints certainly started with Iron Man 3, I think they really had very little to do with the amount of humor in the movie, which was comparable to all the prior Iron Man movies. If you look at the early negative reactions to the movie, few if any had to do with humor: they had to do with the Mandarin Twist, Tony not spending enough time in the suit, and Pepper Potts saving the day at the end.

No it's really not missing the point.

I dont think that many people are saying that every film needs to be like WInter Soldier. But if youre telling a story that like The Winter Soldier has stakes and is supposed to have ramifications going forward maybe balance the humor better. And balancing the humor doesn't mean get rid of it. TWS was a funny movie, but put it in the right spots. Civil War spread out it's humor for the most part, but still had some moments when it was like: "Why did you have to put that joke there"

Iron Man 3 was shown through the marketing, interviews, the way they were portraying the villain, and even the very opening shot of all the Iron Man suits blowing up as kinda being this darker tale in the Iron Man series. So when you get to the movie and its way more jokey, not even just with the Tony Stark character, it's more disappointing to most.

Guardians from the beginning of marketing and, save for the gutpunch scene at the very beginning, is clearly shown to be more comedic. Same with Ant-Man that's why you don't get as many complaints about the tone.
Don't set up your movie to be more serious and then have the final product not know when to put jokes.

Also who is complaining about Civil War using too much drama?
 
IM3 is a Shane Black movie. I expected subversions of expectations in that film. I think it's underrated. The film is actually smarter and well written than people give it credit for.
 
How is it smarter?

Not that I'm saying it's a dumb movie, but I dont see how it's smarter than people give it credit for
 
In terms of plot. I think Killians whole plan was plain brilliant and great social commentary. That's just me though. And yes I know, I'm in the minority. I love IM3. It's not a perfect film but I do feel like is hate is way overblown. I believe it's genuinely a good film. Though the 3rd act needed to be polished a bit. It was basically a video game.
 
No it's really not missing the point.

I dont think that many people are saying that every film needs to be like WInter Soldier. But if youre telling a story that like The Winter Soldier has stakes and is supposed to have ramifications going forward maybe balance the humor better. And balancing the humor doesn't mean get rid of it. TWS was a funny movie, but put it in the right spots. Civil War spread out it's humor for the most part, but still had some moments when it was like: "Why did you have to put that joke there"

Iron Man 3 was shown through the marketing, interviews, the way they were portraying the villain, and even the very opening shot of all the Iron Man suits blowing up as kinda being this darker tale in the Iron Man series. So when you get to the movie and its way more jokey, not even just with the Tony Stark character, it's more disappointing to most.

Guardians from the beginning of marketing and, save for the gutpunch scene at the very beginning, is clearly shown to be more comedic. Same with Ant-Man that's why you don't get as many complaints about the tone.
Don't set up your movie to be more serious and then have the final product not know when to put jokes.

Also who is complaining about Civil War using too much drama?

EXACTLY. People won't complain if you're honest about the movie your advertising. Look at the Ironman 3 trailers, those trailers paint a very dark, dramatic film which I think a lot of people like myself were looking forward to as a change of pace for Ironman. Conversely, look at the trailer for Ironman 1. It shows the dramatic moments but it also displays the quips, levity and overlays it with AC/DC music, it tells you exactly what the movie is.

Ironman 3 was basically Lethal Weapon but with suits of armor. They could have still hid the Mandarin twist but been honest about the tone of the movie. The trailers should have advertised it as "A Shane Black Ironman/ Lethal Weapon" film. I would have still been down to watch the movie (I LOVE the Lethal Weapon movies) but I would have gone to the theater knowing what to expect instead of being blindsided.

I'm very curious to see the actual tone of Doctor Strange as its trailer paints it as a serious, dramatic movie, I'm wondering if the actual movie's tone is reflective of the trailer.
 
In terms of plot. I think Killians whole plan was plain brilliant and great social commentary. That's just me though. And yes I know, I'm in the minority. I love IM3. It's not a perfect film but I do feel like is hate is way overblown. I believe it's genuinely a good film. Though the 3rd act needed to be polished a bit. It was basically a video game.

I liked the Mandarin bait-and-switch, and the use of Killian.

My quibbles with the movies were;
1) Did not like the music. The first two had a sort of AC/DC classic rock vibe, and with IM3, they went somewhere very different.

2) Did not like the Extremis inventor dying like a chump (I just created something that makes a person pretty much unkillable, and I'm working for a dude who shoots people for no reason at all! Let's *NOT* make myself hard to kill...). The MCU could certainly use an interesting female antagonist, and one that Stark inadvertently created by dismissing her all those years ago would have been a fun poke.

Still, if someone really wanted to, they could film a 30 second scene of her getting up, glowing red, the bullet hole closing up, and muttering, 'Idiot.' and wandering off to begin her new life after Killain 'killed' her.

3) Did not like how at the very end they tried to wrap everything up with a bow. I destroy all my armors (except the destruct command mysteriously doesn't affect the Iron Patriot armor, which would have killed Rhodey and the President, so, uh, lucky me the auto-destruct on that one suit of armor malfunctioned)! I get rid of the arc reactor keeping me alive, 'cause apparently I don't need it anymore! I cure Pepper, so she can't possibly go on to become a neat super-character in her own right!

It was written like this would be the last time we would see Stark or Pepper again. (And in Pepper's case, that might be true.) We already knew that Downey was signed for more movies, and would be in Age of Ultron, Civil War, and / or Infinity War, so the whole 'I blow up my armors and remove the arc reactor that powers them!' nonsense was obviously a big fat fakeout. In the theater, I was wondering why they were even writing this as some sort of ending, when it clearly wasn't.
 
In terms of plot. I think Killians whole plan was plain brilliant and great social commentary. That's just me though. And yes I know, I'm in the minority. I love IM3. It's not a perfect film but I do feel like is hate is way overblown. I believe it's genuinely a good film. Though the 3rd act needed to be polished a bit. It was basically a video game.

You're exactly right, the hate for Iron Man 3 is limited to message boards and fanboy circles. You don't make a billion at the box office with good/great reviews if a significant amount of people hate your movie.
 
Iron Man 3 not hated but I think it least favourite of Iron Man movies. I see poll recently where there thousands of votes from people, Iron Man movie rankings was on it and Iron Man 3 was last place.
 
For sure I'd put IM3 over IM2.
Unfortunately I dont think any of the Iron Man sequels lived up to the potential of the first movie.
 
For sure I'd put IM3 over IM2.
Unfortunately I dont think any of the Iron Man sequels lived up to the potential of the first movie.

No, but I do think Civil War, which also stars Iron Man, is better than the first movie.
 
I think Marvel should just be honest about what their movies are and people wont complain. Dont make a dark and gritty trailer when your movie is an action comedy. GoTG was upfront about what kind of movie it was from the first trailer. You knew what you were getting with that movie. Antman, you knew what you were getting with that movie. I feel Ironman 2, 3, TDW and AoU were kind of misleading in their promotion of what the actual movie was.
I agree, I mean compare the serious tone of these (wonderfully put together) trailers:





To the actual movie. Hell, even the announcement teaser was darker-themed:



Why wasn't Ultron anything like the way he was portrayed in these trailers? Ugh.. Why, Whedon?!

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Studio did mess with Age of Ultron but I don't think they make Ultron way he was.
 
The only Marvel movies that I think had too much humor are probably Thor 2 and also Ant-Man. Ant-Man especially.
 
Iron Man 3 not hated but I think it least favourite of Iron Man movies. I see poll recently where there thousands of votes from people, Iron Man movie rankings was on it and Iron Man 3 was last place.

Interesting, the overall vibe I get is that most people think Iron Man 3 is better than Iron Man 2.
 
That's exactly what the vibe is. Don't let Internet message boards and polls fool you.
 
That's exactly what the vibe is. Don't let Internet message boards and polls fool you.


:up: Yep, and that's actually a pretty rare feat in which the 3rd film in a trilogy is received better or at least as well as the 2nd film: the MCU has managed it twice so far with IM3 and Cap 3 and the only other two examples I can think of are Revenge of the Sith (I'm aware it's not exactly hard to be a better movie than Attack of the Clones), and Return of the King.

Actually, Marvel's also pulled off another pretty rare feat in which the 3rd film was received better than the 1st film in a trilogy with TFA and Civil War. I can't really think of any other examples of that, except maybe with Lord of the Rings and the Star Wars prequel trilogy once again.

As far as humor goes, TDW is the only MCU film where I thought it was taken too far.
 
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Idk why people keep saying IM3 isnt hated. It seems like a weird point to bring up in this thread since I dont think anyone brought up Iron Man 3 being hated by the masses
 

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