Is there too much division in America?

[SuBe]

But techically only Natives can be the only people that can be considering actual natives of america, hence the name, everyone else is ultimately a foreigner here. The natives were here first and were here for thousands of years, before any Europeans or anyone else.

That's not true, our forfathers weren't born here, but most of us were. Are you going to blame the us for the actions of our forefathers? That doesn't seem fair.

 

[Goddessreicho]

Educated fools because it is primarily Academia, the supposed intelligencia and enlightened, who are always the first in line to trash America and extol Communist countries, savage dictators and all around dirtbags. They tend to run full speed into every opportunity to talk about how evil America is, how terrible we are, how heartless the country is, ect.

Yes first lets whine about how Americans aren't educated enough, then complain about how American's who are educated and learn about American history without the public school sugar coating missing out the parts about American made genocide/malicious disease spreading/political hypocrisy/convenient torture of its own citizens...

But yea, lets stand taller on this soap box and point fingers at other countries with their issues because we're Americans. Sure, that makes total sense.

And these are the "educated fools" who then indoctrinate college students to think the same way. "Well Prof Numbnuts said America was bad so we must be. We should be more like Cuba. That Castro is a great man".

Just as much as Woodrow "Jim Crow is what we need" Wilson, Andrew "Small pox blankies are a great idea" Jackson, and Thomas "Sally Who" Jefferson?

Why do I think patriotism is beautiful? Because for all our errors and flaws, and yes we have some, we are still the greatest country on this planet. We still do more to aid and help hurting nations than any other. (Unless its in Africa, Somalia/Zimbabwe ring a bell or how about the "successful" run in Rwanda?) We still run to the rescue whenever there is a major crisis. (Ahuh, sure unless they're in Africa or have no oil...Funny how in the 90's we went to Croatia stopped the killing and stayed until we were successful but couldn't stick around in Rwanda and did nothing about the genocide there)We stick out our hand to offer aid to even countries who stab us in the back. (Ding you got one right! The Regan Administration given the Afghanistan Taliban automatic weapons and RPGS to watch those evil commies in Russia was a great idea. Even now when its those same weapons that are firing at US soldiers) We are the bright city on a hill. We are the beacon to the oppressed. (As long we don't become right-wing fundemental blinded patriotic fascists...AGAIN) We are the greatest hope of the world in a natural sense. We are the proof that Capitalism works and is a thing of beauty, while all the other "isms" have failed miserably (Communism, Socialism, Fascism, etc). (Except for the Entitlement programs Social Security and Medicare/caid that even poor wittle Reagan couldn't stop because an industrialized nation being able to take care of its old and sick is socialism???) We're the greatest bc we do allow for freedom and differences. (Unless you get your way and we can do away with the first and 14th amendments and become patriotic puppets for Uncle Sam)

You can question and challenge government, thumb your nose at every moral fiber that held the country togather, indulge in outright horrid behavior and yet at the end of the day...you're allowed that right. YOu can be offensive on every level, and yet you are allowed that right becaus ethis nation was built on the strength that no matter how much we disagree with each other, we are still Americans.

Finally most of that is right on the money. Except the America was built on ethics part; seriously what ethics?

Thus my problem with this multi-cultural trash. It's no longer "we are all Americans". It's we just live here, but we will maintain our allegiance and ties to our "homelands". After all, whats so special about America that it deserves our allegiance? This multi-cultural, celebrate where you came from, refuse to assimilate trash does nothign but weaken the fiber of our country.

I'll repeat myself:

(Unless you get your way and we can do away with the first and 14th amendments and become patriotic puppets for Uncle Sam)

And how do you plan on enforcing this "all American" idea of yours without ripping apart the Constitution, well actually only the parts that specially stop that from happening?

Oh right, that's called fascism.

 

[Goddessreicho]

Yes yes. We took it from the natives so we are bad and shouldn't disparage other immigrants form coming here.

I'd say we've done wonders with the country in the past 200+ years that had we not taken it...would not have been accomplished. Our taking of the country has been a blessing to the entire planet.

Hooray for genocide and torture! It sure did work out for EVERYONE involved.

Spoiler

 

[Nitehawk013]

Blah blah blah America is bad blah blah blah.

 

[JLBats]

Blah blah blah America is bad blah blah blah.

Ugh. This thread is a travesty.

 

[The Senator]

Blah blah blah America is bad blah blah blah.

Why do you think America is bad?

 

[Nitehawk013]

No no. That was my short summary of goddess's posts.

 

[The Senator]

No no. That was my short summary of goddess's posts.

Interesting, considering she doesn't say anything reflective of your incoherent whining.

 

[The Overlord]

That's not true, our forfathers weren't born here, but most of us were. Are you going to blame the us for the actions of our forefathers? That doesn't seem fair.

Irrelevant though, because you profit from their crimes, its like if someone stole something (like a car) and sold it to someone else, it wouldn't matter if the person who bought it didn't steal it, they still have stolen goods in their possession. I mean clearly at this point, its far too late to do anything about it, (well anything really relevant, except try to make amends as best we can) but there you go.

Blah blah blah America is bad blah blah blah.

No your attitude is bad, I'm just pointing out to critcize other immigrants for brining their cultural practices is a double standard, when you yourself are the descents of immigrants who took this land from its true owners.

 

[Nitehawk013]

My posts don't need anythign reflective. They are dead on and correct 9/10 times. People just bicker and try to refute because they like being wrong.

 

[SuBe]

Irrelevant though, because you profit from their crimes, its like if someone stole something (like a car) and sold it to someone else, it wouldn't matter if the person who bought it didn't steal it, they still have stolen goods in their possession. I mean clearly at this point, its far too late to do anything about it, (well anything really relevant, except try to make amends as best we can) but there you go.

Yes, it is much too late to try to do anything about it. But, History Proves that Generations profit from the Victors. Should we throw out all of Western Civilization because the Romans conquered the Huns over 2 thousand years ago, they conquered the Gauls a little after that. If the Romans didn't conquer these people, the wouldn't have had the Magna Carta written. Don't you think that people being free today is at least the best we can do to make up for what happened in the past?

 

[The Overlord]

My posts don't need anythign reflective. They are dead on and correct 9/10 times. People just bicker and try to refute because they like being wrong.

I thought Christians were supposed to humble, isn't pride a vice?

Yes, it is much too late to try to do anything about it. But, History Proves that Generations profit from the Victors. Should we throw out all of Western Civilization because the Romans conquered the Huns over 2 thousand years ago, they conquered the Gauls a little after that. If the Romans didn't conquer these people, the wouldn't have had the Magna Carta written. Don't you think that people being free today is at least the best we can do to make up for what happened in the past?

I'm well aware of that and I agree, it is too late to do something substantive (though we could try to do something to improve condintions on reserves), but that's not my point. My point is its double standard to criticize immigrants for "not being American enough" when when anyone who isn't a native is a descendent from a immigrant.

 

[Nitehawk013]

You can be humble and right at the same time.

Besides, I said 9/10. I'm not always right. Pride would have been saying I'm always right.

 

[BlackLantern]

I think it's good to address why everyone in this country jumps down the throat of anyone who disagrees with them.....How we try to demonize people who don't agree with us as if it makes us a better person

 

[SuBe]

I think it's good to address why everyone in this country jumps down the throat of anyone who disagrees with them.....How we try to demonize people who don't agree with us as if it makes us a better person

I think this post just answered the Thread's Main question.

 

[The Senator]

My posts don't need anythign reflective. They are dead on and correct 9/10 times. People just bicker and try to refute because they like being wrong.

Looks like your buying into the whole "new math" thing, considering you are wrong. But that's okay, your pride exacerbates your integrity, so it's perfectly understandable.

 

[The Overlord]

You can be humble and right at the same time.

Besides, I said 9/10. I'm not always right. Pride would have been saying I'm always right.

You aren't being very humble here, I doubt many people on this thread would think so and frankly saying you are correct 9/10 seems unlikely and very arrogant.

 

[Goddessreicho]

You can be humble and right at the same time.

Besides, I said 9/10. I'm not always right. Pride would have been saying I'm always right.

Except when specific tangible obvious evidence proves you dead wrong and you're too ignorant or prideful to admit it. t:

I think it's good to address why everyone in this country jumps down the throat of anyone who disagrees with them.....How we try to demonize people who don't agree with us as if it makes us a better person

Jumping down a person's throat when they suggest that suppressing constitutional rights is something that's not done enough. For goodness sake how many times do certain groups have to fight for their rights that their neighbors have and can keep?

 

[BlackLantern]

I was talking generally....we seem to have forgotten how to repsectfully disagree on things.....voter fraud, property damage, and vandalism shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence....

 

[SuBe]

Jumping down a person's throat when they suggest that suppressing constitutional rights is something that's not done enough. For goodness sake how many times do certain groups have to fight for their rights that their neighbors have and can keep?

I'm not going to go through this entire Thread, but what Constitutional Rights were being discussed as wanting to be supressed?

 

[BlackLantern]

Example...SB and I disagree on the FairTax....but we can have a civil interaction...I'm not going to vandalize his house and call him a ****ing *****mack....

 

[SuBe]

Example...SB and I disagree on the FairTax....but we can have a civil interaction...I'm not going to vandalize his house and call him a ****ing *****mack....

I shake your hand kind sir!

 

[BlackLantern]

I shake your hand kind sir!

...and I as well....

 

[SuBe]

Does everyone else see how easy that is?

 

[Nitehawk013]

You aren't allowed to disagree.

I'm not going to burn houses, be involved in violence or anything else "Phelps like". But the minute I state that I am against abortion and against gay marriage I am immediately a "fundamentalist whacko" just like Phelps. And no matte rhow much I have thought about my position, it doesn't matter. Unless I am a believer in moral relativism and leftist philosophy Im just a backwards redeneck.

And thats fine if people think that way of me. In reality, the people here mean about diddly squat when it comes to my decisions. I simply enjoy debate and it gives me a view at just how some in the rest of the country think about things.