Is there too much division in America?

[SuBe]

I'd like for condoms to be a write off on my taxes

with the fairtax you could get them rubbers with 100% of you paycheck and receive the decuction with no filing!!!

 

[Nitehawk013]

I like your proposal except one thing. I am not sure I like the "Prebate" idea that lets the "poor" get away with paying no taxes really. Everyone should have to pay their share of taxes.

 

[kedrell]

...despite the scientific evidence for homosexuality being genetic...

There isn't any. Check the Human Genome Project. Now I'm sure you WANT it to be genetic, but that really doesn't cut any ice.

 

[Nitehawk013]

The HGP isn't the only source of research. There are multiple sources of research, multiple groups looking for "proof" of homsexuality being genetic. As of yet, none have proven it at all. It is a hypothesis.

 

[SuBe]

I like your proposal except one thing. I am not sure I like the "Prebate" idea that lets the "poor" get away with paying no taxes really. Everyone should have to pay their share of taxes.

I'm answering this comment in the FairTax Thread.

 

[kedrell]

That was an inappropriate comparison.

 

[The Overlord]

The HGP isn't the only source of research. There are multiple sources of research, multiple groups looking for "proof" of homsexuality being genetic. As of yet, none have proven it at all. It is a hypothesis.

Who cares? It doesn't change the fact that when it comes to this subject, you support big government.

 

[kedrell]

I thought the whole point of a referendum was to remove gov't from the issue and let the voters decide directly. Big gov't, my fat fanny!

 

[Nitehawk013]

Actually no. I don't favor Big Government.

I am a Federalist at heart. I think the Fed should not touch the issue. I think states should have the right to choose whether they want to recognize gay marriage or not based upon the voters.

The ONLY reason I would support a Federal Constitutional amendment is because without, there will always be a liberal activist court that would overrule the states rights. They will legislate form the bench instea dof honoring the will of the people and the rights of the states. Therefore I would support an amendment to put an end to that.

 

[kedrell]

Well they're s**t out of luck if Prop 8 passes since it's an amendment. They'd need the Supreme's to get past that one and I just don't see them doing that with the court's current make-up.

 

[BlackLantern]

I may support gay marriage...but I think it's a decision that should be left up to the states...

 

[Schlosser85]

Because two consenting adults making THEIR decision to commit their lives to each other and people having "relations" with inanimate objects are comparable situations...

 

[SuBe]

I may support gay marriage...but I think it's a decision that should be left up to the states...

I agree, but I think it should be left up the the Individuals. This is a country of laws and Liberty. Who cares if 2 consenting adults, who love eachother, get married. It's not affecting the rights of any other individual.

 

[kedrell]

Well it is redefining the definition of marriage. You can't tell me it's not. Forever marriage has meant one thing and if the gays succeed then it will mean something that is not the same as before.

 

[The Overlord]

I thought the whole point of a referendum was to remove gov't from the issue and let the voters decide directly. Big gov't, my fat fanny!

If you are creating a new law against gay unions, you are increasing the size and power of the government, its fact. If there was referendum to ban gun posession somehwere and it passed, would that not be big government?

Actually no. I don't favor Big Government.

I am a Federalist at heart. I think the Fed should not touch the issue. I think states should have the right to choose whether they want to recognize gay marriage or not based upon the voters.

The ONLY reason I would support a Federal Constitutional amendment is because without, there will always be a liberal activist court that would overrule the states rights. They will legislate form the bench instea dof honoring the will of the people and the rights of the states. Therefore I would support an amendment to put an end to that.

So ultimately you support big government on this issue.

 

[StrainedEyes]

Well it is redefining the definition of marriage. You can't tell me it's not. Forever marriage has meant one thing and if the gays succeed then it will mean something that is not the same as before.

How dare a word's meaning change over time.

 

[BlackLantern]

but we have a 50 percent divorce rate in this country, so it seems straight couples really don't care about the meaning all that much.....marriage, or at least the concept of it, has been around prior to Christianity....

 

[SuBe]

Well it is redefining the definition of marriage. You can't tell me it's not. Forever marriage has meant one thing and if the gays succeed then it will mean something that is not the same as before.

What's more important? Liberty or a definition of a word? I'll take Liberty.

 

[Paradoxium]

but we have a 50 percent divorce rate in this country, so it seems straight couples really don't care about the meaning all that much.....marriage, or at least the concept of it, has been around prior to Christianity....

Government aren't suppose to create contracts out of marriages in the first place. Gay or straight. It's the equivalent of making contracts for "friends".

They ought to rename it civil unions all together (everyone gay or straight). With the 50% divorce rate, it is a mockery of the term. I hear its ridiculously high in some areas like California - at 70-80% (note to every guy: do not ever court cali girls to evade this statistic). Let the religious types retain the marriage term, and change the legal term to civil union.

The gays then can be happy to have all the legal perks, while the religious types retain the original meaning of marriage (though the legal stuff is another matter).

 

[USMC]

Well first, Teddy was a better man than JFK.

And second, your little quote doesn't disavow anything my list said. You can recognize the differences in people and still follow the things Teddy said. You can celebrate what we have in common while still saying you must assimilate to the country you belong to.

"And there will be peace. There will be peace when the people of the world, want it so badly, that their governments will have no choice but to give it to them. I just wish you could all see the Earth the way that I see it. Because when you really look at it, it's just one world. "

- Superman (Superman IV)

Oh snap, served.

Close thread.

 

[USMC]

Thus my problem with this multi-cultural trash. It's no longer "we are all Americans". It's we just live here, but we will maintain our allegiance and ties to our "homelands". After all, whats so special about America that it deserves our allegiance? This multi-cultural, celebrate where you came from, refuse to assimilate trash does nothing but weaken the fiber of our country.

I don't see it as multi-cultural trash. To me, the greatness of America is it's multi-culturalism. The greatness of this place is our differences.

America would NEVER have achieved its greatness if not for the foreigners who came here. There is hardly anything in this nation that you cannot attribute in some way to something outside this country... from inventions, to foods, to holidays, to languages (especially the English language), to sciences, to television programs, to traditions, to clothing, etc.

You name it, it probably has roots outside of America.

You're obviously a scholar of American history (outside of Wikipedia, of course), and a worldly traveler!

 

[USMC]

You can be humble and right at the same time.

Besides, I said 9/10. I'm not always right. Pride would have been saying I'm always right.

Oh, you're a self-proclaimed "Christian"...

well, that explains alot.

 

[Nitehawk013]

And you say your a Marine. From what I read of you here I'd say the Corps would be ashamed to claim you.

 

[The Overlord]

And you say your a Marine. From what I read of you here I'd say the Corps would be ashamed to claim you.

Now you are resorting to insults, not very Christian of you.

 

[The Senator]

Well it is redefining the definition of marriage. You can't tell me it's not. Forever marriage has meant one thing and if the gays succeed then it will mean something that is not the same as before.

And for centuries, black people were enslaved by western societies because it was the "norm." Are you saying the United States did a bad thing by abolishing slavery and changing the role of blacks in our society?