It's a Bird, It's a Plane, It's the Superman Costume Thread! - Part 2

[Kal-El.9859]

Yeah, ok. Cuz we really need a badass Superman.

The trunks will be back.

We kinda do.

We REALLY do...we need people to stop thinking that Superman is a pansy.

 

[portland2002]

While the MOS costume is much better (at least colorwise) than the Superman Returns suit, I would much prefer a costume with trunks, belt, and a yellow \s/ symbol on the back of the cape. The classic costume. I do like the darkening of the colors and I would be satisfied seeing the yellow s as a yellow gold as opposed to lemon yellow. Nevertheless, MOS might be a good film and I am looking forward to seeing it on the big screen this summer.

 

[Lily Adler]

Royal Blue/Crimson Red is my personal favorite combination.

 

[Gianakin_]

Always hated the trunks, so this film has a visual bonus for moi.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

We REALLY do...we need people to stop thinking that Superman is a pansy.

Yup. I'm am so so so sick of it.

 

[Mad Love]

They'll be proven wrong when they join in the sun.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

They'll be proven wrong when they join in the sun.

I don't bout everyone else, but i'm expecting to be annoyed by how many people are gonna think 'This movie's only good cause they changed him and made him more badass'...

He was ALREADY that badass, you people just wouldn't listen to me!!!!!

 

[elgaz]

He's always been a badass alright. He's so powerful that he's never had to resort to Batman style tactics to intimidate villains (dressing in dark colours, growling voice, gadgets, etc). Unfortunately many people perceived the lack of parlour tricks as not being cool enough.

 

[afan]

Yeah, ok. Cuz we really need a badass Superman.

The trunks will be back.

We had one, George Reeves........Superman and the Mole Men......and TV's....The Adventures of Superman.....1st and 2nd season.....1st season most definitely........ gave us a bad ass Superman.

 

[The Shield]

I don't bout everyone else, but i'm expecting to be annoyed by how many people are gonna think 'This movie's only good cause they changed him and made him more badass'...

He was ALREADY that badass, you people just wouldn't listen to me!!!!!

I feel like I just read my own thoughts from someone else. I've been trying to get people to listen to me for years. t:

 

[Comics N' Toons]

We REALLY do...we need people to stop thinking that Superman is a pansy.

This reminds me of a conversation I had a few years back before Superman Returns with a friend in college. We were talking about superheroes and he argued for Marvel as the greatest comic books ever and how DC sucked and I was going on about the history of Superman and Jerry and Joe and the Fleischer cartoons and how wonderful it all is and his reply was...

Superman is a pansy. If they ever make another Superman movie it will suck. What an oudated piece of ****.

He was right about Superman Returns!

 

[C. Lee]

He's always been a badass alright. He's so powerful that he's never had to resort to Batman style tactics to intimidate villains (dressing in dark colours, growling voice, gadgets, etc). Unfortunately many people perceived the lack of parlour tricks as not being cool enough.

That's my feeling about a lot of things in movies. They tend to make the hero or villian a ranting loudmouth. Ranting loudmouths don't impress or scare me....it's the quiet guy who just gives you a look you have to watch out for.

 

[elgaz]

That's my feeling about a lot of things in movies. They tend to make the hero or villian a ranting loudmouth. Ranting loudmouths don't impress or scare me....it's the quiet guy who just gives you a look you have to watch out for.

That's very true. It's been a staple of Hollywood films for many years now that the hero has to be a wise-cracking smart-ass at times. I blame Bruce Willis personally, John McClane kicked the whole thing off with the original Die Hard . It suddenly became cool to be an anti-hero, almost unlikeable but with a humorous cheeky-chappy type personality which is meant to endear the audience to the protagonist despite the fact we would probably find them a jerk if we ever encountered them in real life.

With superhero films the effect was amplified. There seemed to be 2 approaches for many years; you either go with the wise-cracking, pompous, sarcastic approach - Tony Stark in Iron Man, Peter Parker in Spiderman, Hal Jordan in Green Lantern, Wolverine in X-Men, Johny Storm in Fantastic Four, Hancock, Hellboy .......... to name a few(!) - or you go with an incredibly dark, brooding and melancholic approach with a protagonist who never, ever cracks a joke. Think Batman, Crow, Blade, The Punisher, The Shadow, etc.

Now I know a lot of these personality traits stemmed from the original characterisation in the comics. But nevertheless, if you weren't a comic fan and just enjoyed the movies, the effect was the same as countless Hollywood films before them.

That's part of the reason why I enjoyed Captain America so much, even though many people found flaws with the film. The central hero wasn't a wise-cracking *****ebag. But nor was he melancholic and depressive. He was just moral and virtuous, a what-you-see-is-what-you-get kinda guy. It was actually refreshing to have a protagonist like that and it showed that having a hero who's just inherently honest & good doesn't have to be boring. He can still kick ass. He can still be interesting. He can still be someone who can teach the audience a thing or two if his character is written well.

I hope the MOS incarnation of Superman takes a similar approach and doesn't fall into the cliched categories I've mentioned above.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

That's very true. It's been a staple of Hollywood films for many years now that the hero has to be a wise-cracking smart-ass at times. I blame Bruce Willis personally, John McClane kicked the whole thing off with the original Die Hard . It suddenly became cool to be an anti-hero, almost unlikeable but with a humorous cheeky-chappy type personality which is meant to endear the audience to the protagonist despite the fact we would probably find them a jerk if we ever encountered them in real life.

With superhero films the effect was amplified. There seemed to be 2 approaches for many years; you either go with the wise-cracking, pompous, sarcastic approach - Tony Stark in Iron Man, Peter Parker in Spiderman, Hal Jordan in Green Lantern, Wolverine in X-Men, Johny Storm in Fantastic Four, Hancock, Hellboy .......... to name a few(!) - or you go with an incredibly dark, brooding and melancholic approach with a protagonist who never, ever cracks a joke. Think Batman, Crow, Blade, The Punisher, The Shadow, etc.

Now I know a lot of these personality traits stemmed from the original characterisation in the comics. But nevertheless, if you weren't a comic fan and just enjoyed the movies, the effect was the same as countless Hollywood films before them.

That's part of the reason why I enjoyed Captain America so much, even though many people found flaws with the film. The central hero wasn't a wise-cracking *****ebag. But nor was he melancholic and depressive. He was just moral and virtuous, a what-you-see-is-what-you-get kinda guy. It was actually refreshing to have a protagonist like that and it showed that having a hero who's just inherently honest & good doesn't have to be boring. He can still kick ass. He can still be interesting. He can still be someone who can teach the audience a thing or two if his character is written well.

I hope the MOS incarnation of Superman takes a similar approach and doesn't fall into the cliched categories I've mentioned above.

Anti-heroes were cool years before that. Han Solo, The Man with no Name, many Marlon Brando roles, Dirty Harry, etc.

 

[elgaz]

I know dude, I was just joking around. Let's blame James Dean then

 

[Kal-El.9859]

I just hope that this movie makes people think of Superman as being cool...not lame

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I hope Superman is Superman. If people are too cynical now for him, that is their problem.

 

[Kal-El.9859]

I hope Superman is Superman. If people are too cynical now for him, that is their problem.

Yes....

 

[Dr.]

I hope Superman is Superman. If people are too cynical now for him, that is their problem.

Depends what the frame of reference is. I would say something like this…

Warden: This country is safe again, Superman, thanks to you.
Superman: No, sir. Don't thank me, Warden. We're all part of the same team. Good night.

…is fairly dated. And I wouldn’t fault a modern audience for expressing cynicism towards it.

 

[Super Kal]

yeah, because Superman actually fighting for truth, justice, and the American way is really out-dated...

nope, dont buy that one bit. Superman IS a symbol of truth and justice. He was created to bring truth and justice for people who had neither. Dont change that core part of the character.

 

[Rocanrol]

I believe the "Superman" concept is too broad. It has been so streched, with the overpowering, the overcharacterization and the increased scalation in the narrative universe; that seems really lame, silly, childlish and even "cartoony" nowadays, where the target is more mature and the "social lense" of narrative has been toned down.

 

[Dr.]

yeah, because Superman actually fighting for truth, justice, and the American way is really out-dated...

nope, dont buy that one bit. Superman IS a symbol of truth and justice. He was created to bring truth and justice for people who had neither. Dont change that core part of the character.

Like I said, it depends on the frame of reference. You mentioned Superman as a symbol. Nothing wrong with that at all. But I immediately thought of specific examples where the meaning of the symbol is essentially spelled out in detail (which somewhat defeats the purpose of a symbol). And it’s this type of thing that people can feel cynical about - if only because it represents bad, ham-fisted writing. Being critical of camp and corn isn’t a rejection of idealism.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

I just hope that this movie makes people think of Superman as being cool...not lame

I know what you mean completely. But there are plenty of aspects of the character that I would not be willing to sacrifice if that's what it took to convert some people.

Those people can just stay the hell out o my face

 

[Kal-El.9859]

I know what you mean completely. But there are plenty of aspects of the character that I would not be willing to sacrifice if that's what it took to convert some people.

Those people can just stay the hell out o my face

smack some sense into them

 

[ironman29758]

smack some sense into them

I just gave them some Superman comics that makes them realize that maybe they were wrong or Superman. (Golden age, silver age and New 52, etc)


Or just post pictures of Superman owning Batman just to make them mad. But that's just me.