Fant4stic "It's Clobberin' Time!" - The Ben "Thing" Grimm Thread

[Willie Lumpkin]

 

[JP]

Yeah, that's pretty incredible.

 

[Paradox1]

That's a limited edition bust that I believe sold for about $500 from Sideshow Collectibles several years ago. Probably the best 3 dimensional Thing rendering I've ever seen.

Thanks, I saw it on Instagram and the person who posted the image didn't have anything further info on it. Yes agreed I think it's the best rendering I've seen, it even has that sandy look of rocks. I hope fox incorporates some of that in there cgi.

 

[wobbly]

I made this one a few years ago (not nearly as good as the Sideshow one).

It was made with 'Sculpey' it was about 8" tall (base to top of his head), painted with acrylics, and the eyes were swiped from a doll

Looking back I should have the done the chin a bit smaller, and maybe 'bricked' out the brow some more rather than going for the flatter 80's Byrne style one, but I found a buyer on ebay who was happy with it.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I made this one a few years ago (not nearly as good as the Sideshow one).

It was made with 'Sculpey' it was about 8" tall (base to top of his head), painted with acrylics, and the eyes were swiped from a doll

Looking back I should have the done the chin a bit smaller, and maybe 'bricked' out the brow some more rather than going for the flatter 80's Byrne style one, but I found a buyer on ebay who was happy with it.

I think that's pretty good Sure, compared to that particular sideshow version, it doesn't quite match that, but of the 15-20 busts and statues I've seen over the years, yours is probably better than all but the Sideshow version.

 

[harryoscop]

I know many fans might not like if this movie is based on UFF, but they will appeal to a wider audience, i guarantee you teens and young adults would rather see a movie about four teenagers gaining extrodinary powers than four adults late 30s Early 40s late 50s, since this is the Thing thread, a cool idea i have, as the movie goes on Ben keeps undergoing transformations, and by the end of the movie, he looks like the traditional Thing, i also would like him to wear a uniform similar to the UFF

 

[Eddie]

I know many fans might not like if this movie is based on UFF, but they will appeal to a wider audience, i guarantee you teens and young adults would rather see a movie about four teenagers gaining extrodinary powers than four adults late 30s Early 40s late 50s, since this is the Thing thread, a cool idea i have, as the movie goes on Ben keeps undergoing transformations, and by the end of the movie, he looks like the traditional Thing, i also would like him to wear a uniform similar to the UFF

That has never been part of the traditional Fantastic Four origin story and I have no idea why you think it was. Johnny was a teenager, Sue was a young adult, Reed is about six years older than Sue (going by their meeting when Reed attended Columbia), and Ben might have been a bit older than Reed. Not a single member would traditionally be late 30s and up in a 616 version of the origin.

 

[Kelly]

I know many fans might not like if this movie is based on UFF, but they will appeal to a wider audience, i guarantee you teens and young adults would rather see a movie about four teenagers gaining extrodinary powers than four adults late 30s Early 40s late 50s, since this is the Thing thread, a cool idea i have, as the movie goes on Ben keeps undergoing transformations, and by the end of the movie, he looks like the traditional Thing, i also would like him to wear a uniform similar to the UFF

30's?, 40's?, 50's what the heck are you talking about?

Thing isn't my favorite character, but even I would be ticked if we only saw the traditional thing (which they kept for the UFF, because it is important) would not be a smart move on their part.

A couple of things they could do right, and do a full on UFF for the teeny boppers, would be to make Doom and Thing....RIGHT.

 

[Donut]

30's?, 40's?, 50's what the heck are you talking about?

Thing isn't my favorite character, but even I would be ticked if we only saw the traditional thing (which they kept for the UFF, because it is important) would not be a smart move on their part.

I think that user just went on Wikipedia & just got some basic & quite possibly wrong info lol

 

[Eddie]

I think that user just went on Wikipedia & just got some basic & quite possibly wrong info lol

Even Wikipedia knows Reed's only about six years older than Sue and Johnny was a teenager. I suppose it could have been a guess based on Reed's white hairs, but plenty of guys start getting pure white hairs popping up in their 20s.

 

[harryoscop]

I think that user just went on Wikipedia & just got some basic & quite possibly wrong info lol

I was being sarcastic... what i meant was a younger FF would appeal to a wider audience.

 

[Eddie]

I was being sarcastic... what i meant was a younger FF would appeal to a wider audience.

Going by that logic, the 616 ages would actually appeal to the wider audience. You still get that apparently all important teenage character (Johnny) a late teen/early 20s Sue, and versions of Reed and Ben that are a bit older (possibly expanding your audience if we're to believe the audiences really only care about characters they're own age) while still being significantly younger than movie Iron Man. You may know him as that character audiences worldwide responded to quite well.

 

[harryoscop]

Going by that logic, the 616 ages would actually appeal to the wider audience. You still get that apparently all important teenage character (Johnny) a late teen/early 20s Sue, and versions of Reed and Ben that are a bit older (possibly expanding your audience if we're to believe the audiences really only care about characters they're own age) while still being significantly younger than movie Iron Man. You may know him as that character audiences worldwide responded to quite well.

Can't argue with that, although i prefer the younger cast.

 

[bubbadoom]

An early issue of Sgt. Fury puts Reed in WWII so assuming he was in his early 20's at this time that puts him in his late 30's/early 40's in FF #1 almost 20 years later.

Johnny is clearly a teen, so Sue's age is the real wild card - she could be anywhere from early 20's to into her 30's.

 

[Kelly]

Can't argue with that, although i prefer the younger cast.

Because you are young...but your posts are stated as if, your age group is the most important in the audience to make happy. That just isn't the case at all with these movies. Your average age group in that theater for multi-viewings are the people that can afford it.

According to a survey of 1,200 households compiled by the Entertainment Software Association, the average videogame player is now 37 years old, and the average buyer is 41. In fact, 29% of players are over 50. And the average gamer has been playing for 12 years. 42% of them are women.

Those demographics are disturbingly close to the comic book reading audience in general, and to ComicMix in particular– 32% of our readers are between the ages of 35 and 44, and 29% of our readers are over 45. We do tend to skew male, though, with 67% of our readers being male.

So, you tell me who is sitting in the audience of these movies that places like the Hype.....HYPE?

Can you dole out $45 bucks a week for the duration of these movies on the big screen each week they are running? Can you pay for the Target, Wal-mart, AND Best Buy versions of the DVD to make sure you get ALL of the extras? That is going to run you close to $100, and more if you buy HD versions. People with jobs can, those fans over the age of 30 can....and do. THAT is the audience they should be skewing to.

NOW, with all of that said, I'm not saying that I won't enjoy the movie, I certainly hope I do...but I respect those that at this point are not happy with what they are seeing, BECAUSE they are those fans up there in those statistics.

 

[harryoscop]

That post is really well written, can't argue with that at all.

 

[Kelly]

That post is really well written, can't argue with that at all.

BUT.....I really hope you enjoy the movie.

 

[harryoscop]

BUT.....I really hope you enjoy the movie.

Thanks.

 

[EssayM]

Going by that logic, the 616 ages would actually appeal to the wider audience. You still get that apparently all important teenage character (Johnny) a late teen/early 20s Sue, and versions of Reed and Ben that are a bit older (possibly expanding your audience if we're to believe the audiences really only care about characters they're own age) while still being significantly younger than movie Iron Man. You may know him as that character audiences worldwide responded to quite well.

One could argue that while RDJ is visibly an older man, his character acts much younger than he looks (with the cavalier attitude, the playboy lifestyle, the snarky one-liners - he's basically what every teenager wishes they could be), while Reed and Ben's personalities tend to be more of the older set (Ben being the cranky uncle, Reed the stuffy intellectual), their actual ages notwithstanding. So a 616 Reed and Ben might not attract that demographic in the same way that Iron Man did.

*ahem* I mean, I'm just saying.

 

[Paradox1]

30's?, 40's?, 50's what the heck are you talking about?

Thing isn't my favorite character, but even I would be ticked if we only saw the traditional thing (which they kept for the UFF, because it is important) would not be a smart move on their part.

A couple of things they could do right, and do a full on UFF for the teeny boppers, would be to make Doom and Thing....RIGHT.

One of the first FF books I read was a issue when it was revealed Ben's transformation into the Thing happened in stages. The issue said as his rock form became more solid the chances of reverting back became less possible for the tech Reed created at the time.

 

[Kelly]

I'm not sure what you are talking about unless you are talking about the arc where Thing mutates even further....but that doesn't last, he goes back to the Thing as we have seen him.

Was Sue and Reed away raising Franklin? and Mrs. Marvel II and Crystal to be a part of the team?

 

[Paradox1]

The way I remember it Reed came up with a device to turn him back to normal. However because of the transformation the tech couldn't be used in his present state. So Ben goes back in time.

 

[Kelly]

he has been turned back to normal, several times. He even used a special suit a few times while in human form.

IMO, if they want even a chance with the long time fans, they better AT THE LEAST, do Ben and Doom right from the start. Doom went through stages in the first two movies, and that was not a happy time for the fans.

 

[Joe Rockhead]

The way I remember it Reed came up with a device to turn him back to normal. However because of the transformation the tech couldn't be used in his present state. So Ben goes back in time.

That sounds like Marvel Two-in-One #50

The Thing vs. The Thing

Current day Thing goes back in time to provide the cure to the Thing of the past. Naturally, they fight each other before the cure gets administered.

Of course when he returns to the present, there's no change because all he did was effectively spawn another alternate timeline.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

he has been turned back to normal, several times. He even used a special suit a few times while in human form.

IMO, if they want even a chance with the long time fans, they better AT THE LEAST, do Ben and Doom right from the start. Doom went through stages in the first two movies, and that was not a happy time for the fans.

Remember when the (Bill) Clinton campaign had that sign that said: "It's the economy, stupid." ?

Josh Trank should have a sign hanging up in his office that says: "It's Dr. Doom and The Thing, stupid."

If they can get those two right a lot of other sins will be forgiven.

We talk a lot about FF fans vs the 'general audience', but I think the real audience they have to please isn't either of those. They need to focus on the general comic-book audience, and the general comic-book audience might not know that much about the details of the FF, but they know Dr. Doom and The Thing.