The Amazing Spider-Man J Jonah Jameson in the Reboot

[chaseter]

Jameson's story doesn't need to be deep. He is a side character. Everyone wants all of these character's to be given an arc with a deep backstory. The only time Jameson needs to have a good amount of time in a movie is if they use Scorpion. Other than that, Jameson is only a minor protagonist and comic relief. This is a 2 hour movie...we don't need to be spending 20 minutes on JJJ.

In the comics we know a lot more stuff than we ever will in a movie because the comics have decades to evolve characters. A movie has 120 minutes.

 

[Doctor Jones]

What chas said.

 

[El Payaso]

Jameson's story doesn't need to be deep.

And a movie doesn't need to be good, just sell a lot of tickets. But it sounds like a fantastic idea that it could be both.

He is a side character.

And what does that supposed to mean? Unimportant? Because if he's a character in the movie then he needs to be as well portrayed as it could be.

No matter how little the character is, it can - and should - be more than one-dimensional.

Everyone wants all of these character's to be given an arc with a deep backstory.

Yes. It's the way to have a great character, to love them and give them good material to be based on. I'm not sure about an arc though. I mean, a character doesn't need tons of screentime to be deep and rich.

The only time Jameson needs to have a good amount of time in a movie is if they use Scorpion. Other than that, Jameson is only a minor protagonist and comic relief. This is a 2 hour movie...we don't need to be spending 20 minutes on JJJ.

In the comics we know a lot more stuff than we ever will in a movie because the comics have decades to evolve characters. A movie has 120 minutes.

I don't know why do you think that any character can only be rich with screentime. He is more than a comic relief in comics and he doesn't need 20 minutes to be more than that. In fact he'd need more or less the same amount of time Raimi gave him in his movies. But with a better script that'd explore more than one dimension of the character, that's all.

Instead of having him in two terrible gags about unfunny Daily Bugle slogans and pills for his nerves, have him showing his true reasons behind his spider-hate. You shouldn't require more time just better material.

What chas said.

But you said he was more than a comic relief and he said he shouldn't be more than that.

 

[chaseter]

We have a 2 hour movie. I want Harry, Norman, Gwen, MJ, JJJ, Flash, Peter, May, Ben, Doc Connors, Robbie, Betty, Captain Stacy, and Eddie to all have some really good character development in this new movie. I want them all to play prominent roles because they are all very important. Seems manageable.

I have heard those suggestions from people in here. They want Flash, JJJ, Robbie, Betty, Captain Stacy, Eddie, etc. all to have more prominent roles. That is ridiculous. This movie isn't about JJJ or Flash. JJJ has really nothing to do with Spider-Man other than being his media enemy...that is until Scorpion is created and until then, JJJ only needs to be a side character with a few scenes. JJJ is like Alfred in Batman. They are important side characters in that world but nobody was whining about the lack of Alfred in TDK.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Jameson's story doesn't need to be deep. He is a side character. Everyone wants all of these character's to be given an arc with a deep backstory. The only time Jameson needs to have a good amount of time in a movie is if they use Scorpion. Other than that, Jameson is only a minor protagonist and comic relief. This is a 2 hour movie...we don't need to be spending 20 minutes on JJJ.

In the comics we know a lot more stuff than we ever will in a movie because the comics have decades to evolve characters. A movie has 120 minutes.

Agreed.

 

[El Payaso]

We have a 2 hour movie. I want Harry, Norman, Gwen, MJ, JJJ, Flash, Peter, May, Ben, Doc Connors, Robbie, Betty, Captain Stacy, and Eddie to all have some really good character development in this new movie. I want them all to play prominent roles because they are all very important. Seems manageable.

I have heard those suggestions from people in here. They want Flash, JJJ, Robbie, Betty, Captain Stacy, Eddie, etc. all to have more prominent roles. That is ridiculous. This movie isn't about JJJ or Flash. JJJ has really nothing to do with Spider-Man other than being his media enemy...that is until Scorpion is created and until then, JJJ only needs to be a side character with a few scenes. JJJ is like Alfred in Batman. They are important side characters in that world but nobody was whining about the lack of Alfred in TDK.

I see you had to change the word "deep" for "prominent" to keep your case going on. But no. I wasn't talking about prominenece, but depth. And in order to achieve depth in a character you don't have to extend the screetime of that character. That's what i've been saying and you keep ignoring.

No one was complaining about the lack of Alfred in neither BB or TDK because there wasn't any lack of Alfred. And because Alfred wasn't pure cheese. Caine and Nolan achieved a deep Alfred who was a comic relief but also a fatherly figure who could be all merry or all angry. And it didn't take 20 minutes to portray Alfred in such a rich way.

That kind of character development could be achieved with everybody. Nolan has proven so. You don't need more screentime in order to do that.

 

[chaseter]

Prominence = depth. Prominent characters are important characters that stand out from everyone else...because they have more development. You can certainly have deep characters that are barely in the movie but that is rare. They don't usually stand out at the end of the movie because they are overshadowed by characters who had more time to develop. Plus JJJ and Flash really aren't that deep of characters compared to their counterparts with more screen time like Aunt May or Norman Osborne. JJJ is only a paper menace until he does something about it and creates a villain. It would be the same thing as the Joker only robbing mob banks the entire movie. He became much more interesting when he stepped his game up.

There was certainly a lack of Alfred. He was barely in the movie. The graphic novel that TDK was based off of isn't light and fun and then again neither really is most of Batman's other iterations so why would Alfred be comic relief? Spider-Man and Batman are not even close to being the same thing. I am tired of people calling for Spider-Man to be more like TDK. It is lame and it is annoying. If you want to watch TDK, go watch TDK. If you want Spider-Man to be more like TDK, get a degree in computer technology and replace Batman with Spider-Man and Joker with Green Goblin then watch until you heart can't stand it anymore. Spider-Man is light and fun. Batman is dark and brooding. There are few moments in all of the Spidey mythos that are dark, tense, and gritty. In Batman, those adjectives are a dime a dozen.

 

[ModestMr.Green]

I don't think he's calling for Spider-Man to be TDK in this instance soo much as calling for the same attention to minimal character depth to be paid to a Spider-Man character as Nolan would to a Batman character.

We're about to veer off the tracks, though. Character depth may be achieved through character development, but they're not the same thing. I'd go so far as to say that Nolan's characters are pretty static, beyond characters that actually have an arc. (Dent, Bruce) Alfred didn't develop into the wise grandpa. He just always was from the get-go. The 'problem' isn't a lack of development. Just a 'problem' of the character's concept at the green light.

 

[chaseter]

There are other directors besides Christopher Nolan and TDK isn't the greatest movie ever made so I have no idea why people keep referring back to it. Toy Story 3 had better character development than TDK.

 

[ModestMr.Green]

TDK is just the go-to example of superhero film goodness. Honestly, it's just an okay film with a single extraordinary performance. Begins was loads better.

 

[Oscorp]

Yeah. If anything, Spider-Man should be more compared to Iron Man than TDK in style imo.

 

[SpeterMan3]

There are other directors besides Christopher Nolan and TDK isn't the greatest movie ever made so I have no idea why people keep referring back to it. Toy Story 3 had better character development than TDK.

That's not even fair. Toy Story 3 is just amazing.

 

[Doctor Jones]

But you said he was more than a comic relief and he said he shouldn't be more than that.

He didn't say he shouldn't be just comic relief. He serves for the lighter moments, but strictly comic relief? Not at all. I do think JJ should be used for more of the lighter moments, but JJ is no Alfred who gets monologues on Burma. JJ is an over the top news paper editor who hates Spider-Man and we're not gonna see him as much as the characters who have more prominance. JJ is suppose to sit at his desk, get up, maybe even see him outside the Bugle, but he is always badmouthing Spider-Man or yelling.

 

[chaseter]

JJ goes home and cries while palming his revolver because Spider-Man is ruining his life.

 

[NinjaCarm]

Has anyone thought of Jack Nicholson for J. Jonah Jameson??? This movie would hit into super overload recognition, coupled with the Martin Sheen casting....

It could work. How awesome he'd be in Batman and Spider-Man. "You can't handle the truth... Parker!"

 

[Spideyfan93]

Interesting choice but Nicholson wouldn't work imho.

My choice would be Stephen Lang(the military leader in AVATAR). No one will be better than JK Simmons though...it makes me sad thinking about it. He was truly one of the most memorable aspects of the original trilogy.

 

[NinjaCarm]

Interesting choice but Nicholson wouldn't work imho.

My choice would be Stephen Lang(the military leader in AVATAR). No one will be better than JK Simmons though...it makes me sad thinking about it. He was truly one of the most memorable aspects of the original trilogy.

I will never understand the love for JK Simmons as Jameson. NEVER.

 

[bjt]

 

[chaseter]

Has anyone thought of Jack Nicholson for J. Jonah Jameson??? This movie would hit into super overload recognition, coupled with the Martin Sheen casting....

It could work. How awesome he'd be in Batman and Spider-Man. "You can't handle the truth... Parker!"

Uh Nicholson's voice is not that of JJ's. The cartoons, the movies, every iteration with a voice ever...is not Jack Nicholson's voice.

 

[Octoberist]

Nicholson wouldn't do it.

And you have to think about his age. I see J. as being in his 50s or maybe early 60s. Plus I HATE TO SAY IT, but Jack is in a very fragile age right now, being in his mid 70s. If you want sequels, that might play a role.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Oh, man don't even go there with Jack.

 

[Octoberist]

I know. Or Sean Connery.

(Though I think Connery is still fit enough even for his old age now)

 

[Alex The Great]

Has anyone thought of Jack Nicholson for J. Jonah Jameson??? This movie would hit into super overload recognition, coupled with the Martin Sheen casting....

It could work. How awesome he'd be in Batman and Spider-Man. "You can't handle the truth... Parker!"

The hilarity would be off the charts

He's a bit...fat for the role though.

 

[NinjaCarm]

I still say he could work. He would add that real world grittiness this film needs.

 

[Alex The Great]

This isn't Batman you know. Spider-Man has always been cheesy with light hearted scenes and what not. Spider-Man doesn't need the TDK treatment, it just needs to be trated properly, and with respect to the comic and it's creators.