James Bond: 007 - Spectre - - Part 11

[Roose Bolton]

As much as I was spoiling for a proper adaptation of YOLT as the follow-up to Spectre after it was first announced, I have to admit that they used a lot of Bond' arc from YOLT in Skyfall. Also, Waltz's Blofeld is a pretty lame adaptation of the character and I am not sure I want YOLT wasted on Franz Oberhauser.

I'd say while that's vaguely true, Skyfall felt more like a thematic adaptation of TMWTGG which is what Mendes was going for apparently. Though Silva was a far better antagonist than Scaramanga.

I think with Waltz, he's a good enough actor that if they have a great script and director he could pull of Blofeld's devolution and derangement. In a sense it's unique because Shatterhand was nothing like the Blofeld's we've seen on screen so it's almost like a new character.

 

[GENERAL RAAM582]

I really enjoyed Spectre. I'd give it a solid 8.5/10. It was too convoluted at parts and Blofeld was too convenient at times, and there's a huge section of the film without him, but I think he is intended to be a major villain for the next film or two so maybe that's what they were going for. Otherwise, this is a pure Bond film in every sense. We haven't had a badass henchman in years. The action and chases while not anything super memorable, were good enough. And Seydoux... damn fine.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I really enjoyed Spectre. I'd give it a solid 8.5/10. It was too convoluted at parts and Blofeld was too convenient at times, and there's a huge section of the film without him, but I think he is intended to be a major villain for the next film or two so maybe that's what they were going for. Otherwise, this is a pure Bond film in every sense. We haven't had a badass henchman in years. The action and chases while not anything super memorable, were good enough. And Seydoux... damn fine.

Couldn't agree more with all of this.

 

[Gold Samurai]

James Bond - Never argue with a woman. They're always right


Daniel Craig is willing to play Bond again, but, only if he gets the consent of his wife, Rachel Weisz.

https://www.yahoo.com/movies/daniel-craig-reprise-bond-role-230517711.html

This anonymous source claims that Weisz is worried about the chronic pain of injuries that Craig has sustained through filming the Bond films. The grueling nature of the shoot is likely where Craig’s wrist comment stemmed from as well. Craig does many of his own stunts in the films.

 

[The Joker]

So Craig will only do Bond again if his wife says it's ok, and Christoph Waltz will only do Bond again if Daniel Craig comes back.

Looks like the future of the next Bond movie rests on Rachel Weisz

 

[A Necessary Evil]

The production of these films are a freakin' circus

 

[Tacit Ronin]

The production of these films are a freakin' circus

The tabloids are the worst.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

I've seen Spectre multiple times now and may just put it ahead of Skyfall--which wasn't quite as entertaining upon rewatching (Casino Royale is still tops). Yeah I didn't like the uh personal touch with Christoph Waltz's character and it also felt a bit redundant when they tread some of the same ground in the last movie with Silva. But other than that it felt like the grand adventure I was looking for with good banter without overplaying it or the occasional silliness. I thought I wouldn't care for Seydoux here but she was fine. (8/10, 5 is average on my scale)

Even if they stop making Craig Bond movies here it was a good run and this movie tried to incorporate and reference the past enough to be a finale, along with the way it ended.

 

[Brian Braddock]

So Craig will only do Bond again if his wife says it's ok, and Christoph Waltz will only do Bond again if Daniel Craig comes back.

Looks like the future of the next Bond movie rests on Rachel Weisz

And Mark Strong, who desperately wants to be in a Bond film with Craig but thinks Craig is done with Bond [and he should know as he's his best mate], although he's trying to work on him to return.

I'm calling it now - Craig to return for one more movie, with Waltz as Blofeld, Weisz as the new Bond girl and Strong as either a 00 (could be 009 wanting to know where his AM is ) or as Blofeld's new top assassin/bodyguard.

Sorted.

Seriously though, as MagnarTheGreat says, even if it is indeed the end of Craig's tenure as 007, he's had a damn, damn fine run and left some pretty big shoes to fill (argueably the biggest since Connery).

 

[Marvolo]

James Bond - Never argue with a woman. They're always right


Daniel Craig is willing to play Bond again, but, only if he gets the consent of his wife, Rachel Weisz.

https://www.yahoo.com/movies/daniel-craig-reprise-bond-role-230517711.html

Here is an idea...use a ****ing stunt man, Craig. A competent director and editor can make it so the audience wont notice. T least for the major stunts.


That being said, frankly I am a bit tired of how burnt out Craig seems. If he is legitimately burnt out he should just turn in his ppk and let another person take up the role. Spectre had a good ending for his Bond. Craig was phenomenal in CR and QOS and Skyfall, but he just didnt seem to have his heart in Spectre.

And Waltz's Blofeld was meh bordering on annoying so him not returning wouldnt bother me in the slightest.

I do hope Ben Whishaw and Naomie Harris return tho.

 

[Dark Raven]

I'd like a new Bond and Blofeld. I also want some better action scenes for the next one than this one. Casino Royale had more of a novelty with the parkour chase which hadn't been done on film before. None of Craig's films have come up with something as memorable as that so far.

They should think of another extreme sport or an unusual vehicle and how it could be used in a sequence. The car chase around Rome was really mundane, and even the snow scenes weren't anything special.

 

[Marvolo]

I'd like a new Bond and Blofeld. I also want some better action scenes for the next one than this one. Casino Royale had more of a novelty with the parkour chase which hadn't been done on film before. None of Craig's films have come up with something as memorable as that so far.

They should think of another extreme sport or an unusual vehicle and how it could be used in a sequence. The car chase around Rome was really mundane, and even the snow scenes weren't anything special.

CR wasnt the first film to feature parkour.

 

[Dark Raven]

CR wasnt the first film to feature parkour.

Had it been used in an action sequence before though, or just doing parkour as a sport?

 

[Schlosser85]

Craig saying he won't do it without Rachel Weisz's approval is a bit silly.

 

[Marvolo]

Had it been used in an action sequence before though, or just doing parkour as a sport?

It was used in action scenes as early as 2004.

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And I doubt that is even the first film to use it.

Edit: The first time Parkour was used in a film was in 1998. Luc Besson used a parkour stunt team in his film Taxi 2. It was in production in 1998 and released in 2000.

 

[vanson]

He uses a stunt double.. even in fistfights.. watch the hotel fight from QoS closely.. there are quite a few shots where his double does the job.. even CR are a couple of shots..(for example stairwell fight or the bit where he jumps to his car over that green thingy at the parking-lot, which still baffles me that a stuntman had to do that)

 

[Marvolo]

He uses a stunt double.. even in fistfights.. watch the hotel fight from QoS closely.. there are quite a few shots where his double does the job.. even CR are a couple of shots..(for example stairwell fight or the bit where he jumps to his car over that green thingy at the parking-lot, which still baffles me that a stuntman had to do that)

Not really. I tried to jump one of those parking lot chains in a sprint one time and caught my shoe on the chain and wiped out. Tore my palms up. The director probably didnt want to risk that happening to Craig.

 

[DyeLorean]

It must be said though, is not like Bond is OH MY GOD WHAT AN INTERESTING CHARACTER TO PLAY. After four times, you got to ask yourself as an actor if you want to keep doing the same thing, putting the same faces, holding guns and all of that. If I really liked acting, much more so than being in an action film (and $, sure), I don't think I'd be able to play him again. He doesn't get much more different than who he was in Casino Royale.

 

[Rocketman]

I'm honestly done with Craig. Get his fickle ass out of there, and give it to someone who wants to do it. MGM and Eon should be insulted, and frankly, laughing. They're a business, and they're in business to make money. Bond movies will always do well, before, during, and after Craig. He's not the be-all-end-all of the franchise. Say bye bye. Stop giving in to this "Will he or won't he" BS. Who cares.

 

[Roose Bolton]

It must be said though, is not like Bond is OH MY GOD WHAT AN INTERESTING CHARACTER TO PLAY. After four times, you got to ask yourself as an actor if you want to keep doing the same thing, putting the same faces, holding guns and all of that. If I really liked acting, much more so than being in an action film (and $, sure), I don't think I'd be able to play him again. He doesn't get much more different than who he was in Casino Royale.

He has an entire arc in the novels that comes well and truly after Casino Royale, and it's an arc that makes sense for them to do now, at this point in the franchise with this particular actor.

 

[DyeLorean]

He has an entire arc in the novels that comes well and truly after Casino Royale, and it's an arc that makes sense for them to do now, at this point in the franchise with this particular actor.

That might very well be the case, I don't know much about the novels. But the trajectory of the studio doesn't seem to be in the same path as the novels. I think they are more worried about "what is the current trend" in movies (Casino > Reboot | Quantum > Bourne | Skyfall > Nolan | Spectre > Interconnected universe).

 

[Dark Raven]

That might very well be the case, I don't know much about the novels. But the trajectory of the studio doesn't seem to be in the same path as the novels. I think they are more worried about "what is the current trend" in movies (Casino > Reboot | Quantum > Bourne | Skyfall > Nolan | Spectre > Interconnected universe).

Well they've always done that. Moonraker was influenced by Star Wars. Octopussy probably by Indiana Jones.

Maybe Bond will fight someone with super powers eventually, if they can find a scientific way to explain it, and we could have Bond wearing a suit of armour himself to battle this villain.

 

[Warhammer]

Well they've always done that. Moonraker was influenced by Star Wars. Octopussy probably by Indiana Jones.

Maybe Bond will fight someone with super powers eventually, if they can find a scientific way to explain it, and we could have Bond wearing a suit of armour himself to battle this villain.

 

[Roose Bolton]

That might very well be the case, I don't know much about the novels. But the trajectory of the studio doesn't seem to be in the same path as the novels. I think they are more worried about "what is the current trend" in movies (Casino > Reboot | Quantum > Bourne | Skyfall > Nolan | Spectre > Interconnected universe).

Let's not forget Casino Royale itself helped cement the reboot trend, and beforehand there was only Batman Begins. There was also a lot going into Casino Royale's production that really predates that trend, and with everything that had happened beforehand with the franchise it genuinely made sense for them to start again. I wouldn't use Quantum as an example either, a lot of the aesthetic choices in that film come from Marc Forster's choices and the rushed production schedule.

But in general, while they do try to keep themselves involved with the current trends and try to stay relevant to the modern audience (It's how they were able to last these last 50 years) they're clearly setting up something as the films progress. Elsewise they wouldn't have bent over backwards to work Blofeld into the mix and set up the personal angle to such an extent. It's building to the two characters fighting to the death and using the story arc from the novels which they never got a chance to utilise in the past.

 

[Warhammer]

That is so true about Casino Royale. Batman Begins began the trend. Casino Royale was the 2nd so it wasn't exactly capitalizing on a trend. Quantum of Solace was guilty as sin for mimicking the Bourne trilogy, though.