James Bond: 007 - Spectre - Part 9

[Jumpman]

Not that I heard. The only time I heard Quantum's name get mentioned was when Mr. White's name first crops up. That's it.

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Yes. Blofeld is basically pissed that Bond took all his daddy's attention off him when they were kids. He calls Bond a cuckoo, a bird that muscles in and takes over another's nest.

That's horrendous. I had heard that was the reason but I didn't want to believe it. What the hell is that? This is the reason he turned to terrorism?!

That's gonna be a problem for me...big time.

 

[The Joker]

That's horrendous. I had heard that was the reason but I didn't want to believe it. What the hell is that? This is the reason he turned to terrorism?!

That's gonna be a problem for me...big time.

You're right it is stupid, but honestly what made it work, at least for me, was Waltz's acting. He sounds like demented loon when he's saying this stuff to Bond. In the hands of a lesser actor it would have sound cartoonish and pathetic.

 

[Filmfan93]

Agree completely. His motivation seemed really weird (similair to Killian's motivation in IM3), but Waltz's acting made it somewhat believable.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Not that I heard. The only time I heard Quantum's name get mentioned was when Mr. White's name first crops up. That's it.

One would assume Quantum is basically Mr White's domain, no? Isn't he a high ranking member of SPECTRE?

 

[flickchick85]

Yeah, I'll admit the plot's sounding pretty weak. But I still have hope I'll enjoy it at least for the action and performances.

 

[The Game]

Sam Smith's voice ruins "Writing's On The Wall". Would've been a billion times better with a female singer.



How is QUANTUM connected to SPECTRE?

I disagree, my only issue with song as much as I like it, is that it does not feel like a Bond theme.

 

[Green Goblin]

Saw it last night. 8.5, not as good as Skyfall but on par with Casino Royale.

 

[Green Goblin]

In regards to Spectre Quantum connection.

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Quantum I assume is a branch of Spectre, seeing as Mr.White was a member and they ate affiliated with Green and the villain from CR.

Bear in mind, Quantum was basicly Spectre but the producers could use the name as they didn't have the rights at the time of CR and QS.

 

[Chesterfield]

Sam Smith's voice ruins "Writing's On The Wall". Would've been a billion times better with a female singer.



How is QUANTUM connected to SPECTRE?

Quantum are the south American arm of Spectre.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Yeah, I'll admit the plot's sounding pretty weak. But I still have hope I'll enjoy it at least for the action and performances.

I have little doubt I will enjoy it, but yeah, I have kind of given up on something of the Casino Royale and Skyfall level. It's just too stupid for me. Looks like they did inherit something from the Roger Moore flicks. An utterly ridiculous plot.

 

[Golgo-13]

I have little doubt I will enjoy it, but yeah, I have kind of given up on something of the Casino Royale and Skyfall level. It's just too stupid for me. Looks like they did inherit something from the Roger Moore flicks. An utterly ridiculous plot.

Then it should be a 'feast for my eyes!'.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Then it should be a 'feast for my eyes!'.

And a bad time for anyone looking for a well written plot, fleshed out characters and a good film.

 

[Jumpman]

And a bad time for anyone looking for a well written plot, fleshed out characters and a good film.

I'm just skipping it.

Craig's 3 films, as it stands, make for a solid BOND BEGINS trilogy. I won't be able to stomach a return to "the formula". Seems like terribly going backwards considering all the work they did to reboot the franchise in CASINO ROYALE.

 

[Golgo-13]

And a bad time for anyone looking for a well written plot, fleshed out characters and a good film.

Unless you've seen the film, you can't claim that any of these things are absent from the film.

For those that have seen it, seeing as Bond you know what's at the end, did they show the 'JAMES BOND WILL RETURN' tag..?

 

[Fallen Angel]

So back from watching Spectre today and it's very good. I won't say its' better than Skyfall but then again it didn't need to be. It just needed to be another solid entry into the Craig era.

All the main cast were good and I liked that Q and M were more involved here than in Skyfall. Naomi's "Moneypenny" seems like she will be anyway. I would've liked Batista's character to be involved a bit more same as Belucci's character.

As I said yesterday

Spoiler

Not happy that Silva from Skyfall was anther of Blofeld's lackeys. I could accept and I can see why Le Chiefre and Mr Green/Quantum were but not Silva.

8/10

Craig era for me stand's like this now:

Skyfall
Spectre
Casino Royale
Quantum of Solace

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Unless you've seen the film, you can't claim that any of these things are absent from the film.

For those that have seen it, seeing as Bond you know what's at the end, did they show the 'JAMES BOND WILL RETURN' tag..?

You do realize this works both ways right?

 

[Hunter Rider]

I loved it, more entertaining than Skyfall and on par with Casino Royale for me. There's also some really great little nods to the Bond films of the past in there.

I really enjoyed the labyrinthine mystery quest Bond went on across the globe, it took in glamorous locales that housed oldschool Bond architecture in the forms of mountain top high tech medical retreats and villainous lairs.

The big twist that has been the source of so much debate over the last year was neither here nor there IMO, it didn't hurt or help the film, it added a layer that wasn't necessary but the main thing I took away was that [BLACKOUT]Blofeld was a natural born sociopath so whether he had a past with Bond or not, he would have took the measures he did when Bond interfered with his various plans. [/BLACKOUT]

The first 2 thirds of the film are brilliant, from the stunning opening tracking shot of Bond at the day of of the dead to the helicopter sequence, to his meeting with the sensuous Lucia Sciarra, slick car chase in Rome, frosty detente with Mr. White to Bond rescuing Madeline Swann from Hinx in the breathtaking Alpine sequence.

It's here that the film takes a breather and we spend some time with Bond and Madeline just getting to know each other as they search for more clues regarding Overhauser. I loved this part of the film as Bond's charm and dry wit bounce off Madeline's steely resolve, masked by her gentle beauty. Of course it doesn't take long before Mr. Hinx shows back up and he and Bond have the mother of all punch ups on the train.

The moment Bond and Madeline get in the 1948 Silver Wraith Rolls Royce in the middle of the desert, is the moment the 2 part 3rd act starts and the ride they go on is where I think some fans will get off while others will embrace the absurdity.

Bond has no clear plan [BLACKOUT]for how he is going to kill Blofeld[/BLACKOUT] and gets by on pure luck, while the second part in London has an element to it that wouldn't be out of place in Batman '66.

Still, thanks to Craig and Waltz I found myself easily going along for the ride, with the two rivals having some great exchanges. The action at the very end is visually satisfying and I can see why they added it as the Morocco shoot-out is lackluster for such a great location.

This is Craig's steely Bond cosying up to the outlandish elements of Bond's of the past, and I thoroughly enjoyed it.

9/10

 

[Loki882]

Two things that seem problematic for me right away:

Spoiler

1. Blofeld/Oberhauser's motivations sound quite lame. I can buy Waltz being able to sell it, that's happened before in film/TV. But I wish that freaking Blofeld's motives weren't so, well petty. Also, a "past connection" between them just isn't needed.

2. The apparent wasting of Monica Bellucci in such a small part.

But it also sounds like it's mostly enjoyable, so there's that as well.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The problem with the Bond girls is they make a big deal out of them, make sure they are at all the press events and in all the magazine shoots, and then the majority of the time, they are barely in the film. Eva Green is the only one who has been a character. Olga was close, and I hope we get something out of Swann. I don't consider Dench's M to be a Bond girl.

 

[Jumpman]

The problem with the Bond girls is they make a big deal out of them, make sure they are at all the press events and in all the magazine shoots, and then the majority of the time, they are barely in the film. Eva Green is the only one who has been a character. Olga was close, and I hope we get something out of Swann. I don't consider Dench's M to be a Bond girl.

But that was the one progressive thing about SKYFALL. Dench, indeed, was the main Bond girl/woman in that film. That's why, for me, that ending between them really works because it harkens back to their relationship through out the three movies.

Over and over again, she continues to trust Bond, even if he's given "surface" reasons why she might question her decisions with him (QUANTUM OF SOLACE).

The ending of SKYFALL is one of the reason why I've been leery of SPECTRE from the get go. It perfectly sets up Bond for the future while also finally finished building Bond from the ground out, so to speak and I think because Craig's Bond was so different from the rest, in my opinion, that film was probably the best time for him to walk away...especially now after reading reactions to what SPECTRE is.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I'm just hoping that it's not as crappy as Quantum of Solace.

 

[Fallen Angel]

I'm just hoping that it's not as crappy as Quantum of Solace.

It's not Spidey. I can assure you that.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Daniel Craig Shut Down an Interviewer Who Called Monica Bellucci an "Older Woman"

 

[The Joker]

One would assume Quantum is basically Mr White's domain, no? Isn't he a high ranking member of SPECTRE?

After having seen the movie a second time this evening (and I enjoyed it just as much on a 2nd go around), I was able to absorb more little details. [BLACKOUT]There is a passing line about Quantum just being a part of SPECTRE. Basically what ever organization Quantum was, it was just a sub section of SPECTRE. They were all serving Blofeld.[/BLACKOUT]

I'm just hoping that it's not as crappy as Quantum of Solace.

It's leagues ahead of QOS. You've nothing to worry about there.

 

[Fallen Angel]

Quantum was basically like a subsidiary company of Spectre.