Rogue One James Earl Jones is Darth Vader in Rogue One

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I liked the movie a lot, but that Vader scene was the only moment which had my jaw on the floor, I am glad they addd it in.

 

[metaphysician]

That scene only works in the larger context of the saga, if Rogue One is your first Star Wars film it has no meaning or impact.

I would argue that, if Rogue One is your first Star Wars film, the Vader scene will be the least of your problems. The movie is really not designed to stand purely on its own, aside from the existing Star Wars mythos, IMO. And, while this is normally not good movie making, I'd accept an argument that Star Wars is such a huge piece of pop culture that making a truly stand alone movie is actually impossible.

 

[Filmfan93]

I would argue that, if Rogue One is your first Star Wars film, the Vader scene will be the least of your problems. The movie is really not designed to stand purely on its own, aside from the existing Star Wars mythos, IMO. And, while this is normally not good movie making, I'd accept an argument that Star Wars is such a huge piece of pop culture that making a truly stand alone movie is actually impossible.

I think RO can stand on its own pretty well. Of course, the movie is part of a bigger universe, but the story in itself can be seen as pretty self-contained.

 

[Retroman]

When Vader choked Krennic i imagined him smiling under that helmet when he turned and delivered that line. And yes that scene where he takes out the rebels with light saber and the force was quite something wasn't it?

 

[metaphysician]

I think RO can stand on its own pretty well. Of course, the movie is part of a bigger universe, but the story in itself can be seen as pretty self-contained.

Eh, IMO, it only seems that way because you, I, and basically every American and half the rest of the world have seen A New Hope and are already familiar with Star Wars. Otherwise, it comes off as a conflict that arises somewhat out of nowhere, and whose ending is a non-ending.

 

[TheVileOne]

So the final Vader scene has been confirmed to be a part if the reshoots.

http://screenrant.com/star-wars-rogue-one-darth-vader-scene-reshoot/



I know I'm in the minority, but I didn't care for that scene. Not only does it feel tacked on and oddly incongruous with the rest of the film, but it doesn't feel earned by Vader's presence in the film. He's a side show, a bit of fan service that doesn't add anything to the story. That scene only works in the larger context of the saga, if Rogue One is your first Star Wars film it has no meaning or impact.

At this point I think it's pretty clear, as with Suicide Squad, that 11th hour studio misgivings led to major story restructuring, and coincidentally John Gilroy was involved in both projects. Rogue One was luckier with critical and audience reception, but to me show very clear signs of lack of a singular vision that compromises the artistic integrity. It appears that both weren't starting from a good place to begin with, but the filmmaking-by-committee approach to the final product just further damaged the end result.

I'm curious to see what Rogue One's legacy will be in 10+ years time. Will it still rank as highly as some people here currently put it, over TFA and some of the OT? Obviously people judge movies by different criteria (story, characters, tone, fan service, etc.), but I wonder how the film will be perceived once the hype dies down and it becomes just another Star Wars movie. Will the callbacks and action and Star Wars-yness be enough?

I agree with most of this. I like the movie and seeing Darth Vader's full dark force powers unleashed. But yeah, it did feel kind of fan service-y. I feel like Vader should've either had a bigger role, or he should've come in and done clean up on the Rogue One heroes instead of having him kill a bunch of faceless rebels. That would've cemented Vader as a villain.

To play devil's advocate, the original version may not have worked as well either and they did improve the overall story with the changes.

 

[scarlet-witch]

Hey, I'm okay with fan service if I like it and I loved Vader's hallway scene.

 

[Golgo-13]

Does anyone have the soundtrack? Is the Hallway scene score on the album?

 

[gohei_]

Does anyone have the soundtrack? Is the Hallway scene score on the album?

It is, it's called Hope.

 

[Golgo-13]

It is, it's called Hope.

 

[Lilbaz]

I agree with most of this. I like the movie and seeing Darth Vader's full dark force powers unleashed. But yeah, it did feel kind of fan service-y. I feel like Vader should've either had a bigger role, or he should've come in and done clean up on the Rogue One heroes instead of having him kill a bunch of faceless rebels. That would've cemented Vader as a villain.

To play devil's advocate, the original version may not have worked as well either and they did improve the overall story with the changes.

Agree that he should have killed the rogue one crew. That would have been great them being cut down like chaff after spending the whole film showing how baddass they were and they audience thinking they had escaped. Ersso panicking and getting the plans through the door before being cut down would have been better than the cuddle on the beach.

No complaints though.

 

[TheVileOne]

Hey, I'm okay with fan service if I like it and I loved Vader's hallway scene.

Nothing wrong with enjoying fan service. Like I said. Like the movie and Vader cutting loose.

 

[Marvolo]

Idk if this was ever posted in here, but...


Official art of Vader's castle in the film:

And an interview with Doug Chiang about the castle and its backstory.

StarWars.com: To start, this was the thing that really made me jump out of my seat…which then made my wife scratch her head a little bit. Vader’s castle.

Doug Chiang: [Laughs] Vader’s castle was really fun. When I knew that we were going to possibly go back to Vader’s castle, I loved that idea of, “Okay, lets establish Vader’s home.” The initial idea was, “Why would Vader live here?” In our minds, we started to come up with a little bit of a backstory. That perhaps this place had special meaning for him, and that this is where he comes to meditate and to heal himself. We started with the idea that maybe it should be built around his bacta tank chamber, and he comes back here to rejuvenate himself and also to meditate. So from there, the structure itself grew out from the bacta tank, and there were certain ideas that we tried. We were trying to go for a very iconic shape, and we always love tall towers. Ralph McQuarrie actually drew quite a few small thumbnail sketches [of Vader’s castle] that were very intriguing. They were kind of angular versions of a tower, and I saw the potential of where he was going, and I just exaggerated that quite a bit.

One of the things we landed on early was this idea of a tuning fork — a twin tower kind of look. And it was really interesting, because then that started to give Gareth a lot of ideas like, “Well, maybe the structure is built this way because it is like a tuning fork. It’s tuning the dark side in terms of the energy.” And then we actually carried that even further to Jedha. The Jedha temple, the tower there, mirrors this but on the good side. So when you see the film, you can start to see, “Okay, Jedha had its own tower, which was configured like a tuning tower. Vader’s tower, Vader’s castle, had the same thing but it was made in black, whereas Jedha was white.” You kind of start to see the good and the bad. You may not really notice it on a first take, but hopefully it’s that foundation of design subtleties that then the audiences, on second viewing, will appreciate. And I always like to build those elements in there because it makes the design more coherent, it makes the film more coherent, and overall it makes the design language very authentic and real.

StarWars.com: There’s also the note in here — I think you said it — that there is a Sith cave underneath. Where did that come from? It’s funny, because you’re watching the movie and you have no idea that there could be a Sith cave under there, but then you read it in the book, and you’re like, “That’s awesome and that makes sense.”

Doug Chiang: Exactly. It went back to the original idea of, “Well, why would Vader be here?” and there was a series of paintings and sketches that Ralph McQuarrie did, where Luke actually visits Vader in this underground lava cave. I always thought that was such a compelling image, because you have this lava lake inside this cave and there was Vader’s throne. So we took that idea and thought, “Okay, well, maybe on the lower levels of Vader’s castle, there’s a more ancient part. That he actually built this castle on a foundation of an ancient structure.” If you look at the finished design, it has this very strong element of a structure that was there for a purpose, and that purpose was to draw energy from the lava lake. If you look at the design of the base, it feels very much like a dam, and how the lava flows through it, possibly getting energy. And so we thought, “Okay, well, that’s the foundation. Maybe even deeper, or underneath that, is an even more ancient part, which is a natural cave where Vader goes to meditate.” Visually, we’re trying to create a sort of history for the tower. The bottom is the most ancient, the lava lake dam part was perhaps what Vader built his foundation on, and then the tower was Vader’s addition.

Full interview at link:

http://www.starwars.com/news/we-set...g-rogue-one?cmp=smc|756139147&linkId=32763287

 

[SnakeEyes]

Eh, IMO, it only seems that way because you, I, and basically every American and half the rest of the world have seen A New Hope and are already familiar with Star Wars. Otherwise, it comes off as a conflict that arises somewhat out of nowhere, and whose ending is a non-ending.

Late reply, but yeah RO could not stand on it's own with that ending it had. RO and ANH could be a sweet little 2 movie package since I do think ANH could stand on it's own with the destruction of the first Death Star.

The conflict that arises out of nowhere is just the same as in ANH. Fury Road is another example of a movie where you are thrown into a "conflict out of nowhere". I do not see that as a problem as I hate movies that give too much explanation and backstory.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

After watching the movie again I re-iterate we need a Vader movie!

 

[Iceman]

I liked the movie a lot, but that Vader scene was the only moment which had my jaw on the floor, I am glad they addd it in.

Wouldn't be the same without it, but yes, would still be a good film.

 

[moreorless]

It was nice to see that kind of "horror Vader" that was so iconic at the end of ESB again, not that I disagree with the choices made in ROTJ with regard's the character but it did obviously humanise him a lot relative to the previous film.

The way that scene at the end was handled as well was very effective IMHO, shifting to that kind of non specific "postscript" viewpoint rather than following any one rebel character did IMHO mean it didn't really overshadow the main story that had just ended.