Guardians of the Galaxy James gunn fired!!! - Part 1

[Mike5575]

Pretty sure social media is being weaponized by both political parties for a variety of personal gains to take down someone. How about social media just go away all together?

Was she getting attacked?

Everybody just needs to calm down. James has really been getting real nasty with his political tweets, but deep down I think he's a real good person. After following James Gunn for 4 years, I can't come to any other conclusion.

As far as Jennifer Holand, I don't know. I checked her account a day or two after James was fired and she was gone. I don't condone James' tweets, but I find it rather petty that right wing trolls sought to destroy the man's career because James was mean to conservatives such as Laura Ingram and Ben Shapiro.

 

[ouroboros]

As much as I loathe how all this brought to light, I’ve come around to the idea that Gunn really did this to himself. He may be a better person today, but he didn’t he delete those vile messages as soon as he signed up with Marvel and Disney? The Disney brand is targeting toward kids and families and I can’t think of something more opposite of that than pedophilia.

He should have deleted his social account years ago when he apologized the first time.

All I can say is that comedians (or attempted comedians) who "work blue" probably don't usually think much about their old work after the passage of years, so that might go to why he didn't think much about his tweets. I agree that as a matter of prudence, he ought to have taken the earlier incident as a storm warning-- though in a sense I hate to think of everyone who's ever done adult humor, good or bad, having to prune all their old work to keep it politically correct.

 

[ouroboros]

It's setting a bad precedent to expect artists to delete their past before doing business with the Mouse. Every comedian worth their salt has done jokes about pedophilia, incest, rape and other unsavory topics (But not Cosby! He NEVER worked blue!). Should they be forced to wipe out their past work and pledge to never, ever make another filthy joke in order to be welcomed into Disney's good graces? That seems silly to me.

Gunn made a handful of gross comments years ago and Disney, in their effort to be consistent after the Roseanne firing, tossed him overboard even though the two situations are nothing alike. The outrage over Gunn's potty mouth would have been over in a week if handled correctly. I give Gunn a teeny tiny portion of the blame for this ongoing debacle with the majority of the fault on the Mouse.

Because Disney's reaction was so extreme, I tend to think they were worried about some future legal case being brought against them if they did not terminate.

 

[ouroboros]

He said it all the time on his twitter. Anytime someone he didn't like got fired for saying things on social media, he would always say, "freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences". He did it quite a bit.


So you can go there if you want, but before he was fired, the dude tweeted like a 13 year old who just got a smartphone for the first time. So you'll have to wade through hundreds or even thousands of Trump/Russia conspiracies and anti-Trump tweets. I honestly don't understand how he had so much time on twitter?

I must admit that I get a little tired of the "freedom of speech has consequences," since it's so often uttered by people who think they're not going to suffer any.

I will admit that Gunn, by not protesting the decision publicly, at least does not come off as a hypocrite in this regard, though the overall situation does at least remind me of the old idea of "the biter bit."

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Interpret the quote your way, but I am seeing him encompass all his platforms and his words in general in his apology. Agree to disagree I guess.

Too be fair Spider-Fan, it isn't really an interpretation. He is specifically telling people to look at all his social media to see the good he has done in that area.

 

[ouroboros]

The burden of proof is on the accuser not the accused.

That one tweet you cite doesn't fit the narrative of hypocrisy because A) Roseanne's offenses occurred while employed by Disney and B) Gunn has accepted the decision by Disney regardless of the differences between his situation and Roseanne's and after issuing a public and graceful apology hasn't been heard from since. Where's the hypocrisy?

And as mentioned he wasn't fired for hypocrisy. But that seems to be a big deal to certain people. As if it makes his firing somehow more just?

I agree that other things Gunn may have done are irrelevant to evaluating the justness of his firing. That can only be judged with the particular facts involved in the specific case.

However, if Gunn did at some point call for other people to have their tweets examined, then that is relevant, not to the specific matter of his firing, but to the bigger conversation of whether or not it's ethical to search people's old tweets for ammunition, whether it's done by a liberal, conservative, anyone.

 

[ouroboros]

Everybody just needs to calm down. James has really been getting real nasty with his political tweets, but deep down I think he's a real good person. After following James Gunn for 4 years, I can't come to any other conclusion.

As far as Jennifer Holand, I don't know. I checked her account a day or two after James was fired and she was gone. I don't condone James' tweets, but I find it rather petty that right wing trolls sought to destroy the man's career because James was mean to conservatives such as Laura Ingram and Ben Shapiro.

FWIW, Ben Shapiro, w/o expressing approval of Gunn, opposed the firing.

https://www.thewrap.com/ben-shapiro...-over-old-tweets-bad-precedent-and-a-mistake/

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Ben Shapiro, the racist, sexist, bigot. Good to know.

 

[jmc]

It's pretty simple. People like Gunn and want to defend him because he's "one of them."

Speak for yourself mate. I have no vested interest in Gunn or the Guardians. I only care about someone’s career and reputation getting screwed over.

 

[samsnee]

Yes, the irony is many fanboy darlings have gone there for humor, although not as tastelessly as Gunn. Including Taika Waititi in Hunt for the Wilderpeople, Ryan Reynolds in both Deadpools, and Donald Glover in his stand up comedy and pre-fame internet skits. I suppose they should all be run out on a rail and get "clinical therapy."

I am not condoning the awfulness of Gunn's jokes, but we're becoming quite like Claude Rains in Casablanca. "I'm shocked, SHOCKED that there's gambling going on here!"

I mean Reynolds does a whole bit in DP2 about his baby penis.

 

[JtheDreamer]

Guess what? Twitter would be considered in "other mediums." Therefore he did apologize.

Other "mediums" not "other subject matter".

He ONLY apologized for the way he depicted the LGBT community NOT his so-called "pedo satire". I dunno how many more times that has to be pointed out.

 

[JtheDreamer]

I mean Reynolds does a whole bit in DP2 about his baby penis.

How is joking about his baby penis the same as children getting raped? Not to mention you're talking one short scene vs. 20+ tweets spanning over a prolonged period of time.

 

[Holiday]

How is joking about his baby penis the same as children getting raped? Not to mention you're talking one short scene vs. 20+ tweets spanning over a prolonged period of time.

20 plus tweets about paedophilia... Except that half of those weren't about paedophilia. One of the"controversial" tweets Cernovich cited was "I think it's a pedophile game". What Gunn was talking about, the context of the remark, no where to be found but because the word pedophile was used it was cited.

 

[Asharad]

It's pretty simple. People like Gunn and want to defend him because he's "one of them."

eeeeehhhhh. No. You've completely misread the situation. It's more about the trend of ruining someone's career because of stupid decisions from years past. Especially when those stupid decisions didn't hurt anyone and didn't break any laws. OMG, he said something tasteless a while back! Let's fire him. Blech.

 

[Zarex]

There were a handful of offensive jokes over many years and thousands of posts. Whoop De Frickin' Do. The fact that other studios are lining up to hire James Gunn and Feige remains in his corner shows clearly how badly Disney has mismanaged this situation.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/h...and-major-studio-movies-disney-firing-1133161

All the folks waiting for the other shoe to drop and advocating for an investigation into Gunn's browsing history can go find someone else to smear.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Other "mediums" not "other subject matter".

He ONLY apologized for the way he depicted the LGBT community NOT his so-called "pedo satire". I dunno how many more times that has to be pointed out.

Regardless if you take that as an apology for his tweets or not, it doesn't matter. Bad, offensive jokes made almost a decade ago I just don't think warrant being fired. Especially not when the same company employs multiple people who actually did things like beat women. But hey, that is cool with the Disney brand. But not making some bad jokes. Give me a break

 

[Asharad]

...

I bet you have never said anything rude or offensive.

 

[jmc]

There were a handful of offensive jokes over many years and thousands of posts. Whoop De Frickin' Do. The fact that other studios are lining up to hire James Gunn and Feige remains in his corner shows clearly how badly Disney has mismanaged this situation.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/h...and-major-studio-movies-disney-firing-1133161

All the folks waiting for the other shoe to drop and advocating for an investigation into Gunn's browsing history can go find someone else to smear.

How is it possible for Disney to fire him yet potentially have him still involved with the MCU? That makes no sense.

 

[2kt09]

How is it possible for Disney to fire him yet potentially have him still involved with the MCU? That makes no sense.

In November 2017, Lasseter took a six-month sabbatical from Pixar and Disney Animation after acknowledging "missteps" in his behavior with employees. According to various news outlets, Lasseter had a history of alleged sexual misconduct towards employees. In June 2018, Disney announced that he would be leaving the company at end of the year, but is taking on a consulting role until then.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Lasseter

 

[DACrowe]

How is joking about his baby penis the same as children getting raped? Not to mention you're talking one short scene vs. 20+ tweets spanning over a prolonged period of time.

He makes jokes in Deadpool 2 about Julian Deneson having a "soft mouth" in prison that he'll need to use to get comfortable with other prisoners. He also jokes in the first movie about being molested as a child, plus all those Subway Jared jokes with "Agent Smith." He similarly claims he was worse than one kid's "light stalking" at his age. I'm sure someone was triggered. Can you now not bear the thought of Ryan Reynolds' Deadpool in the MCU?

 

[DACrowe]

BTW this lovely video for folks who say Gunn's DNA or personality is not essential to the Guardians movies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VulkN5OLEM&frags=pl,wn

 

[MahvelBaby!]

BTW this lovely video for folks who say Gunn's DNA or personality is not essential to the Guardians movies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VulkN5OLEM&frags=pl,wn

It is! 1,000 %

Side note John Campea the other day had some words regarding this situation that gave me new respect for him (I used to kind 9f think he was a shill) he also admitted on camera he himself was a victim of sexual abuse .

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

BTW this lovely video for folks who say Gunn's DNA or personality is not essential to the Guardians movies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VulkN5OLEM&frags=pl,wn

That's a good take and I agree with the feels.

I really didn't like GOTG v2 that much when it first came out and ranked it at the bottom of all the films - but I have to admit after rewatching it - it has grown on me the most - and frankly I now feel it has the most heart (even more so than the first one).

I still like the first movie better and yeah maybe the jokes go a little overboard here and there in v2 (and I'm not a fan of the gratuitous violence when Yondu pretty much just kills everybody on the mutineers ship) but I now think the movie is special. I also have come to appreciate the deeper themes of dealing with abuse that exist within these films. There's nothing else like it in the MCU. I loved Ragnarok but it's not the same as GOTG and feel that people who make those comparisons are looking purely at the surface.

I was really looking forward to seeing how Gunn finished his series. It's sad because it would have been the only trilogy in the MCU that had a consistent creative vision from beginning to end with a single director. We'll now never know what that would have been like.

 

[Travesty]

I will admit that Gunn, by not protesting the decision publicly, at least does not come off as a hypocrite in this regard, though the overall situation does at least remind me of the old idea of "the biter bit."

I never said he comes off like a hypocrite, I said I'm not going to defend the guy. Just because he accepted his termination, doesn't mean I'm now going to defend him. I don't support these internet mobs, and I don't defend people who were a part of them.



The main reason why I don't support these things, is because they can easily come back and bite you in the ass. It happens all the time, and I have no sympathy for people who were once a part of them...especially celebrities with TONS of followers, who are heavy influencers. He made his bed.

 

[JannTosh]

Ben Shapiro, the racist, sexist, bigot. Good to know.

How is he a racist sexist bigot?