Guardians of the Galaxy James gunn fired!!! - Part 1

[Spider-Fan]

Why does redemption entitle anyone a certain job?

So let's fire RDJ right now then. Even though he has redeemed himself, he was a scumbag like 15 years ago. Just blacklist him again

I'm sorry, but I believe in second chances.

 

[Zarex]

Why does redemption entitle anyone a certain job?

It doesn't! And if the good folks at the Walt Disney Company had collectively clutched their pearls and shouted "That's Too Much, Man!" back in 2012 after looking at Gunn's cinematic oeuvre and/or his social media postings they were well within their rights to move onto Option B.

But they hired Gunn. Then they hired him for the sequel. And one more time for the trilogy. They also hired him to stick around after his directing duties were complete to shepherd the rest of Cosmic Marvel. The only thing that changed was a cybernazi motivated to protect Putin's Boy uncovered about a baker's dozen of offensive "jokes" Gunn made on the twitter machine mostly before (but some around the same time as) Gunn was hired.

Gunn has proven himself on the job, to that point that he was hired three more frikkin' times after he first signed his contract. There is no evidence of any inappropriate behavior either on set or in his personal life. He has the full support of his cast and crew. There's absolutely no reason for the man to lose his job, other than kowtowing to garbage humans and the desire to keep up "appearances". Kudos to The Walt Disney Company for realizing the folly of their ways.

 

[Schlosser85]

Good to see all that matters to some people is a person's political affiliation....


I've actually seen a lot of people on Twitter and Instagram take offense at the Downey/Gunn comparison because, to them, Gunn is a pedophile and thus far worse than a drug addict.


Me personally, I have zero problem with either Downey or Gunn working for Marvel.

 

[Lilbaz]

If you want to forgive gunn go and see his future movies, i will.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Good to see all that matters to some people is a person's political affiliation....


I've actually seen a lot of people on Twitter and Instagram take offense at the Downey/Gunn comparison because, to them, Gunn is a pedophile and thus far worse than a drug addict.


Me personally, I have zero problem with either Downey or Gunn working for Marvel.

Agreed on basically all accounts here

I am not bringing up RDJ in here to say he should be fired. My only concern is to just raise the question of why can RDJ be redeemed but Gunn cannot? I want to understand why people see this as different.

 

[Schlosser85]

Those people would respond that having a drug problem is a lot different from making tons of sex jokes about children. They see what Gunn did as a lot more irredeemable than Downey.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Those people would respond that having a drug problem is a lot different from making tons of sex jokes about children. They see what Gunn did as a lot more irredeemable than Downey.

To which I say I am sure people have said something or made a joke in bad taste at some point in their lives. Should all future employment be taken from you forever? Even when you have shown real and clear change? Plus, while those jokes were awful, Gunn didn't emotionally harm, put people in danger, or cost productions real money like RDJ did.

I am a firm believer in second chances, and the fact we seem to just have a zero tolerance policy for anything anymore I find sad and frankly dangerous. We're on a slippery slope right now with social media. It needs some rules. It can't just be witch hunts and the wild west. Something needs to change and fast.

 

[Schlosser85]

To which I say I am sure people have said something or made a joke in bad taste at some point in their lives. Should all future employment be taken from you forever? Even when you have shown real and clear change? Plus, while those jokes were awful, Gunn didn't emotionally harm, put people in danger, or cost productions real money like RDJ did.

I am a firm believer in second chances, and the fact we seem to just have a zero tolerance policy for anything anymore I find sad and frankly dangerous. We're on a slippery slope right now with social media. It needs some rules. It can't just be witch hunts and the wild west. Something needs to change and fast.

Agreed. A while back, while promoting I, Tonya (ya know, the movie about Tonya Harding), Sebastian Stan posted a meme on his Instagram saying "when taking a knee meant taking a knee".


The SJW internet brigade proceeded to "cancel" him and swarmed like a kicked hornet nest on his Instagram for literally the next couple days unceasingly, people calling him racist (for mocking the NFL protests, according to them), asking how he can look Anthony Mackie in the eye on set after this (my strong suspicion is, unlike them, Mackie has a sense of humor and couldn't have cared less), calling him all kinds of names, saying he should be fired from Marvel, a couple saying he should kill himself.


Because of a meme involving a Tonya Harding joke he posted while promoting a movie about Tonya Harding.

Also, not a one of those people ever at any point in time reflected and came back to say "hey, ya know, maybe I overreacted a little".


No, they just went on their merry way feeling all self-righteous and looking for someone else to declare "problematic". Because relentlessly cyber-bullying someone for a straight forty-eight hours and telling him to kill himself is not problematic at all, apparently. Glad we got that cleared up.

 

[Lilbaz]

To which I say I am sure people have said something or made a joke in bad taste at some point in their lives. Should all future employment be taken from you forever? Even when you have shown real and clear change? Plus, while those jokes were awful, Gunn didn't emotionally harm, put people in danger, or cost productions real money like RDJ did.

I am a firm believer in second chances, and the fact we seem to just have a zero tolerance policy for anything anymore I find sad and frankly dangerous. We're on a slippery slope right now with social media. It needs some rules. It can't just be witch hunts and the wild west. Something needs to change and fast.

HOw do you know those jokes didn't cause emotional harm? They were on a public forum not told in private. Children read his tweets. Would you find it acceptable for a man to tell your child these kind of jokes?

 

[Spider-Fan]

Agreed. A while back, while promoting I, Tonya (ya know, the movie about Tonya Harding), Sebastian Stan posted a meme on his Instagram saying "when taking a knee meant taking a knee".


The SJW internet brigade proceeded to "cancel" him and swarmed like a kicked hornet nest on his Instagram for literally the next couple days unceasingly, people calling him racist (for mocking the NFL protests, according to them), asking how he can look Anthony Mackie in the eye on set after this (my strong suspicion is, unlike them, Mackie has a sense of humor and couldn't have cared less), calling him all kinds of names, saying he should be fired from Marvel, a couple saying he should kill himself.


Because of a meme involving a Tonya Harding joke he posted while promoting a movie about Tonya Harding.

Also, not a one of those people ever at any point in time reflected and came back to say "hey, ya know, maybe I overreacted a little".


No, they just went on their merry way feeling all self-righteous and looking for someone else to declare "problematic". Because relentlessly cyber-bullying someone for a straight forty-eight hours and telling him to kill himself is not problematic at all, apparently. Glad we got that cleared up.

I didn't even know about this! Holy crap, that is awful!!!

Crap like this just makes me pleased each and every day that I don't use Twitter at all. It's amazing to me people can say garbage like that, and then act like they're superior to James Gunn. Simply astounding (note, I am not talking about people on here who agree with his firing...I am talking about cyber-bullies on Twitter...but if you are one of these cyber-bullies, then I guess I am talking about you).

 

[Lilbaz]

To which I say I am sure people have said something or made a joke in bad taste at some point in their lives. Should all future employment be taken from you forever? Even when you have shown real and clear change? Plus, while those jokes were awful, Gunn didn't emotionally harm, put people in danger, or cost productions real money like RDJ did.

I am a firm believer in second chances, and the fact we seem to just have a zero tolerance policy for anything anymore I find sad and frankly dangerous. We're on a slippery slope right now with social media. It needs some rules. It can't just be witch hunts and the wild west. Something needs to change and fast.

Who said he wont get a second chance? He can make films in future just not for disney. He lost his job at disney because his actions can potentially damage their brand and he would be unable to promote their movies.

If you want to give him a second chance great go and see his next film.

 

[Spider-Fan]

HOw do you know those jokes didn't cause emotional harm? They were on a public forum not told in private. Children read his tweets. Would you find it acceptable for a man to tell your child these kind of jokes?

Honestly, my bet is children didn't see the tweets until pretty much when this all went down. Unless said child decided to read Gunn's entire 8 year backlog of Tweets. I am heavily doubting many did that. Further, as stated, when he made these tweets, he wasn't the James Gunn we know now. He was the guy who worked for Troma. Troma is full of dark and sick humor like this. Watch any of their movies. But once he became the James Gunn that we know, he didn't do it anymore.

So would I appreciate it if he did that to my kid? No, but he wasn't playing to a child crowd in 2008. That has to be taken into consideration.

 

[AlluAllu]

HOw do you know those jokes didn't cause emotional harm? They were on a public forum not told in private. Children read his tweets. Would you find it acceptable for a man to tell your child these kind of jokes?

Now they most certainly have caused emotional harm. But to be fair, at that point Gunn's career was mostly stuff like that. I think it's safe to assume that the vast majority of Gunn's followers could handle his content. Unless Scooby Doo fans followed the writer of those two films.

 

[Schlosser85]

I didn't even know about this! Holy crap, that is awful!!!

Crap like this just makes me pleased each and every day that I don't use Twitter at all. It's amazing to me people can say garbage like that, and then act like they're superior to James Gunn. Simply astounding (note, I am not talking about people on here who agree with his firing...I am talking about cyber-bullies on Twitter...but if you are one of these cyber-bullies, then I guess I am talking about you).

Let's not forget the same kinds of people (and probably actually some of the literal very same people) also ran Joss Whedon off Twitter for "calling infertile women monsters".


Because Black Widow was totally talking about being infertile when she called herself a monster and not, ya know, an assassin who's killed God knows how many people, which was really really obviously what that line was about.


Part of why I dislike Gunn's firing is just because I hate making these people feel ever more emboldened and validated. People knuckle under to them left and right, even Sebastian Stan apologized (of course, no one apologized to him for calling him every name imaginable), and it just lets them keep feeling like they can cyber-bully anyone they want into submission.


They're a disease and people need to stand up to them and not let them get their way all the time.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Let's not forget the same kinds of people (and probably actually some of the literal very same people) also ran Joss Whedon off Twitter for "calling infertile women monsters".


Because Black Widow was totally talking about being infertile when she called herself a monster and not, ya know, an assassin who's killed God knows how many people, which was really really obviously what that line was about.


Part of why I dislike Gunn's firing is just because I hate making these people feel ever more emboldened and validated. People knuckle under to them left and right, even Sebastian Stan apologized (of course, no one apologized to him for calling him every name imaginable), and it just lets them keep feeling like they can cyber-bully anyone they want into submission.


They're a disease and people need to stand up to them and not let them get their way all the time.

It's funny because I have sitting around a screenplay for a horror film about this very topic that I wrote years ago (which I have copyrighted, LOL). I am very much thinking of reworking it and trying to get it made again. I really think some attention needs to be brought to this topic.

 

[Schlosser85]

The people who yell "problematic" the loudest are some of the most "problematic" people on the internet. They'll never see it about themselves, of course.

 

[Lilbaz]

Now they most certainly have caused emotional harm. But to be fair, at that point Gunn's career was mostly stuff like that. I think it's safe to assume that the vast majority of Gunn's followers could handle his content. Unless Scooby Doo fans followed the writer of those two films.

Then he should have deleted them when he joined disney. He didn't, then used his new found fame and twitter as a political tool which was then turned against him. He has to take his share of the blame and the consequences.

From here he needs to rebuild his career. Do some indy films (which if successful) in a few years this would have died down and a big studio will rehire him.

People are acting like he has been put out on the street or something? He will be fine and is a very wealthy man. Yes it is a shame that this happened but maybe he should have thought what direction he wanted his career to go in when making those tweets.

 

[Zarex]

A big studio - the biggest, in fact - IS interested in rehiring James Gunn.

 

[Lilbaz]

A big studio - the biggest, in fact - IS interested in rehiring James Gunn.

James gunn will not work for disney or marvel anytime soon.

 

[Spider-Fan]

We'll see. Some rumors indicate him being rehired is possible. We'll have to see how it plays out.

 

[Zarex]

James gunn will not work for disney or marvel anytime soon.

Sources say there has been a growing feeling that Gunn could be reinstated, especially because Marvel and Disney have been unusually radio-silent on who could replace him since the firing. Production is slated to start at the top of 2019, and following Gunn’s removal from the film, it was thought that Marvel and Disney would need to move quickly to replace him, since the replacement would likely have to do some work on the script.

https://variety.com/2018/film/news/guardians-of-the-galaxy-cast-james-gunn-support-1202889736/

 

[Lilbaz]

Sources say there has been a growing feeling that Gunn could be reinstated, especially because Marvel and Disney have been unusually radio-silent on who could replace him since the firing. Production is slated to start at the top of 2019, and following Gunn’s removal from the film, it was thought that Marvel and Disney would need to move quickly to replace him, since the replacement would likely have to do some work on the script.

https://variety.com/2018/film/news/guardians-of-the-galaxy-cast-james-gunn-support-1202889736/

Really can't see it. It would be worse for their reputation than not sacking him in the first place. As they would be saying they were wrong.

Having him in advisory role with disney but not being an employee of marvel or disney could be possible i guess. But i can't see him being a director for them anytime soon.

 

[Spider-Fan]

This is coming from Variety, though. Variety is the most reputable source for all things movies. So if they say it may be on the table, I tend to believe them.

 

[Zarex]

Really can't see it. It would be worse for their reputation than not sacking him in the first place. As they would be saying they were wrong.

Iger backed down just last year when he foolishly banned the LA Times from movie previews based on their reporting on Disney's involvement in Anaheim politics. Better to eventually make the right decision than to stand your ground on stupidity. Admitting you are wrong when you are only enhances ones reputation.

 

[Lilbaz]

Iger backed down just last year when he foolishly banned the LA Times from movie previews based on their reporting on Disney's involvement in Anaheim politics. Better to eventually make the right decision than to stand your ground on stupidity. Admitting you are wrong when you are only enhances ones reputation.

The difference is for most people disney were right to sack him.