Guardians of the Galaxy James gunn fired!!! - Part 1

[JtheDreamer]

So the "crime" wasn't the problem. It was the (lack of) cover up!

Nobody said that - certainly not I.

You get a mulligan.

 

[Prettyricky]

So they just let their players keep it up? They didn't tell them to take it down? They wanted the PR hit or thought it was better for them to have racism, homophobia and the KKK associated with them?

They may who knows but my comparison with nfl and disney is both easily have the means to check in employees in there organization.

 

[JtheDreamer]

What has James Gunn done exactly that certifiable shows he's such a changed man who no longer thinks it's funny to joke about children getting raped?

Has he been donating to abused children's funds?
Has he been speaking out against abuse?

Seriously, where are the tangible examples?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

MLB is the one organization I can believe may not have checked it because they are very bad at self-promotion, LOL! But yeah, those teams dropped the ball. Considerably. Either by not checking it or telling them not to delete that stuff. That said, I don't think those players should be ruined forever for things they did as dumb teenagers. It's another learning experience (and I really hope they grew beyond what they said).

I mean, I have no time for racist or homophobic people. 17 year old racist or homophobic person, is still a racist and homophobic person, and not that young imo. But I do think something that gets missed out on all of this, is it becomes a, "do you feel properly ashamed by this" kind of thing. Instead of asking these people how and why they have changed. Why did they use to view people one way, and now they don't. And instead of depth, we get the classic answers, that make it sound like they didn't change, but instead learned to keep those views out of the public eye.

Oh I agree, he needs to do shut up on Twitter. Like forever now. But I am sure the message sank in, LOL! At least now it should have.

The message to stop saying things on Twitter.

 

[Matt Mortem]

What has James Gunn done exactly that certifiable shows he's such a changed man who no longer thinks it's funny to joke about children getting raped?

Has he been donating to abused children's funds?
Has he been speaking out against abuse?

Seriously, where are the tangible examples?

He doesn't make jokes like that anymore. His humor has changed. There's nothing of that in the Guardians movies or the Belko Experiment. Even if he had donated and done what you'd suggested the people who are out for his blood would just move the redemption goal post again. Once there's blood in the water nothing short of annihilation will do.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Just so I am clear, I agree with Disney's decision to fire Gunn. If they hadn't, I would have been a bit annoyed, but I love the first GotG movie and like the second. So I would have gotten it fairly quickly. Gunn being a gross person, isn't the same as crossing that line into truly bad actions. Afterall they employ Johnny Depp, someone who actually did cross that line. So if they rehire Gunn, that's cool but then they really shouldn't have fired him in the first place then. I mean I have to live with the idea that the only chance I have of ever see Keira Knightley as Elizabeth Swan again, is in a movie with Depp. That is an actual thing.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

He doesn't make jokes like that anymore. His humor has changed. There's nothing of that in the Guardians movies or the Belko Experiment. Even if he had donated and done what you'd suggested the people who are out for his blood would just move the redemption goal post again. Once there's blood in the water nothing short of annihilation will do.

Come on, his humor hasn't changed. It just got PG-13.

 

[Zarex]

What has James Gunn done exactly that certifiable shows he's such a changed man who no longer thinks it's funny to joke about children getting raped?

Has he been donating to abused children's funds?
Has he been speaking out against abuse?

Seriously, where are the tangible examples?

Who gives a sh** what someone think is funny or not? Should we enlist the thought police? Send a monitor out to his house to see if he smirks when Herbert comes on the screen during and airing of Family Guy?

He made about a bakers dozen of inappropriate jokes years ago. He stopped. He apologized. That's all the tangible example you, I, Disney or anybody else needs.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Who gives a sh** what someone think is funny or not? Should we enlist the thought police? Send a monitor out to his house to see if he smirks when Herbert comes on the screen during and airing of Family Guy?

He made about a bakers dozen of inappropriate jokes years ago. He stopped. He apologized. That's all the tangible example you, I, Disney or anybody else needs.

Oh I really think the subject matter and context of the joke matters.

And he did not apologized until he was called out. Which was 11 days ago? Remember that.

 

[Matt Mortem]

Oh I really think the subject matter and context of the joke matters.

And he did not apologized until he was called out. Which was 11 days ago? Remember that.

2012 was 11 days ago? Weird. I had no idea.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/guardians-galaxy-director-james-gunn-395796

 

[Infinity9999x]

Oh I really think the subject matter and context of the joke matters.

And he did not apologized until he was called out. Which was 11 days ago? Remember that.

He apologized in 2012. He was called out, but he still apologized. https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/guardians-galaxy-director-james-gunn-395796

 

[NotNickFury]

Well, people apparently put a lot of trust in news when it comes from Variety. Let's see what can happen in a day or so compared to yesterday and sources saying that Gunn could be rehired.

https://variety.com/2018/film/news/james-gunn-disney-wont-rehire-guardians-of-the-galaxy-1202892424/

Disney Unlikely to Rehire ‘Guardians of the Galaxy’ Director James Gunn (EXCLUSIVE)


Despite a cast letter asking for James Gunn to be reinstated as the director of “Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3,” Walt Disney Studios is currently not planning on rehiring the filmmaker who it recently fired after a series of offensive tweets surfaced, according to multiple people familiar with the studio’s current thinking.

The feeling within both Disney and Marvel is that the dozens of so-called jokes that Gunn made about pedophilia and rape are unacceptable in the #MeToo era and are not in line with Disney’s family-friendly image.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

2012 was 11 days ago? Weird. I had no idea.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/guardians-galaxy-director-james-gunn-395796

He apologized in 2012. He was called out, but he still apologized. https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/guardians-galaxy-director-james-gunn-395796

That was for the blog posts. The really sexist, homophobic and I believe racist blog posts. Its right there in the story. It was for the blog posts, not his tweets. Why do people keep mixing up the two?

It literally links to another article about his, "The 50 Superheroes You Most Want to Have Sex With" list.

 

[Snow Queen]

2012 was 11 days ago? Weird. I had no idea.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/guardians-galaxy-director-james-gunn-395796

He apologized in 2012. He was called out, but he still apologized. https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/guardians-galaxy-director-james-gunn-395796

That's the apology for the lesbian rape and racist jokes, these days it's about the child rape jokes.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

That's the apology for the lesbian rape and racist jokes, these days it's about the child rape jokes.

Well... yeah.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Well, people apparently put a lot of trust in news when it comes from Variety. Let's see what can happen in a day or so compared to yesterday and sources saying that Gunn could be rehired.

https://variety.com/2018/film/news/james-gunn-disney-wont-rehire-guardians-of-the-galaxy-1202892424/

So uh, this heavily implies Feige fired him:

At this point, the letter does not seem likely to save his job. Gunn’s firing was approved by Disney Studios chief Alan Horn, with his boss, company CEO Bob Iger weighing in on the final decision. The involvement of the highest levels of Disney signals that the cast pressure to rethink the Gunn ouster will struggle to gain internal support. “I don’t see Disney re-hiring him,” says one person close to the matter. “Those tweets were so horrible and Disney has a different standard then other studios.”

So the reason Feige might be silent isn't because of support, but because he did it. Because Horn Is Feige's boss, Iger is Horn's boss. There is no one between Horn and Feige.

 

[Man in the Suit]

He should've been fired for writing "You shouldn't have squished my Walkman" and "He may have been your father but he wasn't your daddy"

 

[Infinity9999x]

That was for the blog posts. The really sexist, homophobic and I believe racist blog posts. Its right there in the story. It was for the blog posts, not his tweets. Why do people keep mixing up the two?

It literally links to another article about his, "The 50 Superheroes You Most Want to Have Sex With" list.

True, this was for a different set of offensive material, written at about the same time. But he still apologized for it, and apologized for the humor he was using.

Now, if there are a lot of tweets after the time of this article that kept up the same kind of humor, that's a good thing to point to. Then it would show that he didn't seem to be honest about his apology, and didn't learn his lesson. And I haven't researched each tweet to see exactly when they came from, does anybody know if there are some post 2012?

If there's not though, I would say it's clear that after the time of the article, he started realizing that this kind of humor wasn't the best way to get attention, and obviously looked down upon with good reason. And if he stopped, it does seem he made efforts to change. Unless of course we find out that behind closed doors he kept these kinds of jokes up.

But if he didn't I would say that the 2012 apology is indicative of him apologizing for that kind of humor, as it's in the same vein. The superhero one even does have a pedophile joke in it.

 

[JannTosh]

this new Variety article says Gunn being rehired is unlikely

some quotes

Despite a cast letter asking for James Gunn to be reinstated as the director of “Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3,” Walt Disney Studios is currently not planning on rehiring the filmmaker who it recently fired after a series of offensive tweets surfaced, according to multiple people familiar with the studio’s current thinking. The feeling within both Disney and Marvel is that the dozens of so-called jokes that Gunn made about pedophilia and rape are unacceptable in the #MeToo era and are not in line with Disney’s family-friendly image.

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At this point, the letter does not seem likely to save his job. Gunn’s firing was approved by Disney Studios chief Alan Horn, with his boss, company CEO Bob Iger weighing in on the final decision
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As for replacing Gunn, Disney feels no pressure to immediately find a new director, according to sources, and is willing to wait until the right A-list filmmaker comes along. For one, the studio never gave the film an official release date, even though it was widely expected to hit theaters within the next two years. Depending on how long it takes to land the right director, Disney may in fact wind up pushing back the film’s original February 2019 start date.

https://variety.com/2018/film/news/james-gunn-disney-wont-rehire-guardians-of-the-galaxy-1202892424/

 

[DarthSkywalker]

True, this was for a different set of offensive material, written at about the same time. But he still apologized for it, and apologized for the humor he was using.

Now, if there are a lot of tweets after the time of this article that kept up the same kind of humor, that's a good thing to point to. Then it would show that he didn't seem to be honest about his apology, and didn't learn his lesson. And I haven't researched each tweet to see exactly when they came from, does anybody know if there are some post 2012?

If there's not though, I would say it's clear that after the time of the article, he started realizing that this kind of humor wasn't the best way to get attention, and obviously looked down upon with good reason. And if he stopped, it does seem he made efforts to change. Unless of course we find out that behind closed doors he kept these kinds of jokes up.

But if he didn't I would say that the 2012 apology is indicative of him apologizing for that kind of humor, as it's in the same vein. The superhero one even does have a pedophile joke in it.

No it means he was hired by Disney and likes money. If Disney offered me huge money tomorrow to work for them, you damn well I never say a thing again on the internet no matter what about anything, because I want that paper.

Also it is very different to talk about that in completely poor taste superhero list, and raping kids.

 

[JtheDreamer]

Who gives a sh** what someone think is funny or not? Should we enlist the thought police? Send a monitor out to his house to see if he smirks when Herbert comes on the screen during and airing of Family Guy?

He made about a bakers dozen of inappropriate jokes years ago. He stopped. He apologized. That's all the tangible example you, I, Disney or anybody else needs.

Inappropriate jokes he left for all to see - that is until he was promptly fired.

 

[Lilbaz]

You are 100%, dead WRONG on this front. I don't mean this to sound offensive, but how old are you? I ask this because it may seem that way to someone younger with less experience. I would be shocked if you were 40 and said that I am in my 30s. But I will tell you, the SF you see here today ain't the same guy he was 5 years ago. Not even 3 years ago. Life never stops happening to you. You will change continuously all throughout your life.

I'm 40 next month mate.

Edit - this month. Forgot what date it was.

 

[NotNickFury]

So the reason Feige might be silent isn't because of support, but because he did it. Because Horn Is Feige's boss, Iger is Horn's boss. There is no one between Horn and Feige.

Huh. All this time I always thought that Alan Horn was top dog or at least a TINY bit higher up the totem pole that Bob Iger is, not the other way around. Because they're both pretty senior level, aren't they?

 

[JtheDreamer]

He should've been fired for writing "You shouldn't have squished my Walkman" and "He may have been your father but he wasn't your daddy"

He should've been fired for the brilliant exchange by Nebula to Gamora during their fight in GOTG1: "Oh ya, well you're ...... stupid!" lol

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Huh. All this time I always thought that Alan Horn was top dog or at least a TINY bit higher up the totem pole that Bob Iger is, not the other way around. Because they're both pretty senior level, aren't they?

How I understand it is Horn runs Disney films division and everything the encompasses (Star Wars, Marvel, Pixar, Disney Animation, soon to be 20th Century, etc.). Iger is the CEO of the entire Walk Disney Company. That includes the film division, the parks, ABC, ESPN, and whatever else they are involved in.