Jeffrey Wright IS Commissioner Gordon

[jmc]

I hate to break it to you, but Jim Gordon is a fictional character with no ties to his race.

Did you dislike Hardy's Bane? What about Commissioner Leob in Nolan's films? Sam Jackson as Nick Fury or is that ok because it was in The Ultimates First?

WHAT ABOUT HARVEY DENT BILLY DEE?

There’s nothing wrong with wanting a character to look like themselves, it’s the same reason I don’t like Margot Robbie’s Harley Quinn. Her costume looks nothing like Harley Quinn, in fact they’ve gone out of their way to make her look anything but HQ. The problem I have with the ‘fictional character’ argument is that it’s not a consistent argument across all characters, especially iconic ones.

 

[Boom]

You mean like Morgan Freeman? Lol.

Lucius isn't nearly as prominent a figure in Batman lore as Gordon.

In any case, we just got two Gordons that looked like carbon copies of the comics. Nothing about Gordon's character requires him to be white. There's zero harm in them switching it up.

 

[jmc]

Lucius isn't nearly as prominent a figure in Batman lore as Gordon.

And yet he’s a prominent figure within Nolan’s movies.

 

[Boom]

And yet he’s a prominent figure within Nolan’s movies.

Still no Gordon.

 

[jmc]

Still no Gordon.

So you’re diminishing Fox’s role in Nolan’s film. Dude, like WTF?

 

[Hammer!]

Lucius isn't nearly as prominent a figure in Batman lore as Gordon.

In any case, we just got two Gordons that looked like carbon copies of the comics. Nothing about Gordon's character requires him to be white. There's zero harm in them switching it up.

So prominent that he had five minutes of screen time in the last film.

 

[Boom]

So you’re diminishing Fox’s role in Nolan’s film. Dude, like WTF?

I'm not diminishing anything, jmc. I'm simply giving it straight. Come on, man. You're honestly going to tell me that Lucius was as prominent a character as Gordon in that trilogy? Gordon was the heart of TDK for God's sake.

 

[jmc]

I'm not diminishing anything, jmc. I'm simply giving it straight. Come on, man. You're honestly going to tell me that Lucius was as prominent a character as Gordon in that trilogy?

How you can honestly say Fox wasn’t a prominent character? Without him Bruce could never have become Batman. Nolan did more for Fox as a character in 3 movies than anything DC had done in 30 years. I would argue strongly Fox is a much more prominent character in terms of awareness and connection to the Batman mythology on the back of those movies easily, thanks largely to Freeman. So yes, I do actually think you’ve diminished something here.

 

[Hammer!]

I'm not diminishing anything, jmc. I'm simply giving it straight. Come on, man. You're honestly going to tell me that Lucius was as prominent a character as Gordon in that trilogy? Gordon was the heart of TDK for God's sake.

By definition I suppose you could call him prominent. But he's no Batman, Robin, Batgirl, Alfred, Gordon, love interest, or villain. Important supporting character, sure, definitely not a prominent role in my book.

Couldn't be happier about this casting and finally seeing a black actor in a major role in a Batman film!

 

[OtherwiseKnownAs]

Imagine being over the age of 15 and feeling the need to even comment on the fact that Commissioner Gordon is going to be Black.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

I like Jeffrey, he’s just not Gordon though. It’s the race swapping nonsense in Hollywood I don’t like.

What makes him "wrong" for Gordon outside of his race to you? Is race swapping the only gripe you got?

 

[Invader Joker]

Imagine being over the age of 15 and feeling the need to even comment on the fact that Commissioner Gordon is going to be Black.

If you only saw the latin american fan pages....

 

[jmc]

What makes him "wrong" for Gordon outside of his race to you? Is race swapping the only gripe you got?

The race swapping stuff is PC nonsense that I expect from Hollywood these days but it’s actually not my main gripe. I want characters to look like themselves because it break the illusion for me otherwise. The example I like to use are cosplayers. I’ve seen European girls dressed up as Storm from X-men, everything about their costume says ‘Storm’, but none of them actually look like Storm. Same if a Brunette is dressed as Supergirl. So the issue for me is that a characters visuals do matter, which is why I brought up Margot Robbie’s Harley Quinn because the design within those films looks nothing like the character. I’m not asking for things to look 100% as they are in comics, that’s unreasonable, what I’m asking for is something resembling the character.

 

[Art Vandelay]

The race swapping stuff is PC nonsense that I expect from Hollywood these days but it’s actually not my main gripe.

Let's be real. Yes it is.

 

[jmc]

Let's be real. Yes it is.

I just gave you the reason in full detail. I don’t know what else to tell you. If you don’t want to believe it that’s on you.

 

[OtherwiseKnownAs]

The race swapping stuff is PC nonsense that I expect from Hollywood these days but it’s actually not my main gripe. I want characters to look like themselves because it break the illusion for me otherwise. The example I like to use are cosplayers. I’ve seen European girls dressed up as Storm from X-men, everything about their costume says ‘Storm’, but none of them actually look like Storm. Same if a Brunette is dressed as Supergirl. So the issue for me is that a characters visuals do matter, which is why I brought up Margot Robbie’s Harley Quinn because the design within those films looks nothing like the character. I’m not asking for things to look 100% as they are in comics, that’s unreasonable, what I’m asking for is something resembling the character.

Sounds like a personal problem, my dude.

 

[FatRobin]

I prefer Gordon to look like this too, tbh. It's become such an iconic look for him (being ginger, having glasses and stache, etc.). But I'm totally fine with a great actor like Jeffrey Wright.

 

[jmc]

Sounds like a personal problem, my dude.

Would you honestly look at the same girls and think ‘that’s Storm’?

 

[Eddie Dean]

A BLONDE James Bond?

 

[Invader Joker]

I do prefer actors to look exactly like their comic book counterparts, but in this case I don't think it's that big a deal since Jeffrey fits the part so well.

 

[Hammer!]

The race swapping stuff is PC nonsense that I expect from Hollywood these days but it’s actually not my main gripe. I want characters to look like themselves because it break the illusion for me otherwise. The example I like to use are cosplayers. I’ve seen European girls dressed up as Storm from X-men, everything about their costume says ‘Storm’, but none of them actually look like Storm. Same if a Brunette is dressed as Supergirl. So the issue for me is that a characters visuals do matter, which is why I brought up Margot Robbie’s Harley Quinn because the design within those films looks nothing like the character. I’m not asking for things to look 100% as they are in comics, that’s unreasonable, what I’m asking for is something resembling the character.

Can you finally admit Bane sucked then?

 

[OtherwiseKnownAs]

Would you honestly look at the same girls and think ‘that’s Storm’?

First things first, Storms’ African descent is apart of her history. Second, yeah, if a I saw a white woman, because that is what you meant when you said European girl, in a Storm cosplay, I’d have an “A-ha! It’s a Storm cosplay” moment. The same when I see a black Wonder Woman, or a Black Harley Quinn. Third, there is not a single thing in Gordon’s history that prevents him for any logical reason from being Black.

 

[Hammer!]

First things first, Storms’ African descent is apart of her history. Second, yeah, if a I saw a white woman, because that is what you meant when you said European girl, in a Storm cosplay, I’d have an “A-ha! It’s a Storm cosplay” moment. The same when I see a black Wonder Woman, or a Black Harley Quinn. Third, there is not a single thing in Gordon’s history that prevents him for any logical reason from being Black.

Ah, the ol' "so what if they cast a white guy as Shaft" argument. Wondering when that would be pulled.

 

[Eddie Dean]

Would you honestly look at the same girls and think ‘that’s Storm’?

Storm is a character intrinsically linked to her race as a Kenyan princess. Same with characters like Luke Cage, Black Panther, Shang-Chi, etc... There's nothing about Gordon that needs him to be white. He's white because he was created by a white dude in 1939. That's it.

 

[jmc]

First things first, Storms’ African descent is apart of her history. Second, yeah, if a I saw a white woman, because that is what you meant when you said European girl, in a Storm cosplay, I’d have an “A-ha! It’s a Storm cosplay” moment. The same when I see a black Wonder Woman, or a Black Harley Quinn. Third, there is not a single thing in Gordon’s history that prevents him for any logical reason from being Black.

I’m not talking about where a character comes from, I’m talking about what they look like. If you can understand where I’m coming from with regards to Storms visual identity, then why can you not understand where I’m coming from with Gordon?

 

[Eddie Dean]

He's gonna be wearing a trench coat and glasses and have a mustache. He's gonna look more like Gordon than Michael Gough, Michael Caine and Jeremy Irons did as Alfred, who for the majority of his history was bald and had a mustache, while those actors had full heads of hair and no mustache.