JLA vs avengers

[Guyverjay]

(frown)
Now Thor 2.0, with Odin Power and Kung Fu Grip?
Would Whoop Superman no matter who started it because that Thor can survive a Nuke without parting his hair

Normal Thor or Thor 1.0 as you call it has fought in the core of the SUN. Nukes shouldn't mean **** to him anyway

Like Superman doesn't have low showings

 

[roach]

Everything in the DC Universe, didn't the Infinity Gems not work in the DC Universe? So I dont think she would be beheading Hulk at all, so I will say

SHE CANT DO IT

while the Infinity Gems didnt work in the DC universe WW magic lasso and abilities did work in the Marvel Universe so based on that there is nothing to say that her weaponry wouldnt work in the Marvel Universe

 

[BrianWilly]

Plus I think it's rather stupid to start bringing in the "THEIR POWERS WOULDN'T WORK IN EACH OTHER'S UNIVERSES" argument. I mean, what the hell's the point then? It doesn't prove anything. If Flash's powers don't work in the Marvel universe, it doesn't prove that Beast is more powerful than him or something. All it proves is that Flash's powers don't work in the Marvel universe.

Brian, I really don't think that Kyle in his "god-like" form could take out the avengers as quickly as you state.

The first Ion held the power of the entire Central Power Battery, which means that he essentially held the power of every single Green Lantern ring that ever existed -- over five thousand of them -- and every single one of those rings have the potential to shatter planets and extinguish stars. What that means, pragmatically, is that Kyle was pretty much a sane Scarlet Witch, the White Phoenix, Franklin Richards, and Dr. Strange combined. He could exist in an infinite amount of places in thousands of planets anywhere in the universe and still be one hundred percent aware of everything that's going on. He stopped an entire alien armada that put the JLA on full alert within five seconds just by thinking about it. He had the power to alter the timestream without much effort and could change people's minds or bodies to anything he wants. He wasn't "god-like." He was God, or as close to the capacity of God as anyone in any universe has ever been. Do I think that he could erradicate every single member of the Avengers at their fullest capacity, including the likes of Rune Thor, Maestro Hulk, and crazy Wanda? Yes. Without a single doubt in my mind, yes. He could do it while he was drinking coffee and having sex with every brunette in the world if he wanted to.

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[Snikt 6]

^I just don't see how the Avengers would stand up to JLA. Even with Wolverine.

 

[Marvin]

never understood that whole "well this character in upgraded mode would tip the scales..."

does that mean Hal jordan at the spectre or parallax(an angry ion)?

 

[ibsisomis]

I'm sorry but wolvie needs to be left out of this fight (if written correctly). comoared to the big-guns of DC wolvie is a street level vigilante, sorry but it is the truth. there isn't a person besides batman that wolverine could beat on a "big 7" list of JLA'ers. Well Brianwilly you say he could I say he can't. I'll just agree to disagree, because you can't offer any proof that he could beat them SO quickly (as he has never fought them in that incarnation).
But I'm sorry there is now way WW would or could beat Hulk, there isn't anything you can tell me that I would believe that. It's not that I don't think a woman could do it because I feel like DArk Phoenix, insane SW etc. etc. could but they will be using other methods to defeat him, not a physical confrontation as it would be for her to decapitate Hulk. if she ever messed up and got that close to him he would smash her into oblivion. I mean we are talking about a guy that can destroy the planet in one blow (if anger levels were high enough) you can just think about what he could do to her.

 

[Marvin]

I'm sorry but wolvie needs to be left out of this fight (if written correctly). comoared to the big-guns of DC wolvie is a street level vigilante, sorry but it is the truth. there isn't a person besides batman that wolverine could beat on a "big 7" list of JLA'ers. Well Brianwilly you say he could I say he can't. I'll just agree to disagree, because you can't offer any proof that he could beat them SO quickly (as he has never fought them in that incarnation).
But I'm sorry there is now way WW would or could beat Hulk, there isn't anything you can tell me that I would believe that. It's not that I don't think a woman could do it because I feel like DArk Phoenix, insane SW etc. etc. could but they will be using other methods to defeat him, not a physical confrontation as it would be for her to decapitate Hulk. if she ever messed up and got that close to him he would smash her into oblivion. I mean we are talking about a guy that can destroy the planet in one blow (if anger levels were high enough) you can just think about what he could do to her.

Superman sure "smashed her into oblivion" with one blow...and he can actually see her when they fight.

than again unlike the hulk, Supermans weak against her enchanted weapons

 

[torkibe]

But I'm sorry there is now way WW would or could beat Hulk, there isn't anything you can tell me that I would believe that. It's not that I don't think a woman could do it because I feel like DArk Phoenix, insane SW etc. etc. could but they will be using other methods to defeat him, not a physical confrontation as it would be for her to decapitate Hulk. if she ever messed up and got that close to him he would smash her into oblivion. I mean we are talking about a guy that can destroy the planet in one blow (if anger levels were high enough) you can just think about what he could do to her.

Then you are just a Hulk fanboy. I listed all the reasons why Wonder Woman could beat the Hulk. You just have a saturday morning cartoon version of WW stuck in your head. Wonder Woman is one of the most powerful people in the D.C. Universe. Her powers are gifts from the gods. She went toe to toe with SUPERMAN while he was under mind control and believed that she was DOOMSDAY! If you think Supes was holding back, you'd be sorely mistaken. Trust me, Wonder Woman has the tools to take on the Hulk. Again, if you ca't see that, you're just a Hulk fanboy.

 

[torkibe]

Superman sure "smashed her into oblivion" with one blow...and he can actually see her when they fight.

than again unlike the hulk, Supermans weak against her enchanted weapons

I hope that last line was sarcastic... Because Superman is no more "weak" to her enchanted weapons than the Hulk is.

 

[BrianWilly]

Well Brianwilly you say he could I say he can't. I'll just agree to disagree, because you can't offer any proof that he could beat them SO quickly (as he has never fought them in that incarnation).

Ah. "I'll just agree to disagree." Which is really just another way of saying "I don't like what you're saying but I have absolutely no evidence to refute it with so here's my way of being stubborn."

I just offered you the proof. See the links? The pretty pictures where Ion performs Godlike feats with no effort whatsoever? That's your proof. What is this "He's never fought them in that incarnation" nonsense? Captain America's never fought Captain Planet before, does that mean that the outcome of that fight is uncertain? Under that logic, you can't say Hulk would win Wonder Woman because Hulk has never fought Wonder Woman before.

But I'm sorry there is now way WW would or could beat Hulk, there isn't anything you can tell me that I would believe that. It's not that I don't think a woman could do it because I feel like DArk Phoenix, insane SW etc. etc. could but they will be using other methods to defeat him, not a physical confrontation as it would be for her to decapitate Hulk. if she ever messed up and got that close to him he would smash her into oblivion. I mean we are talking about a guy that can destroy the planet in one blow (if anger levels were high enough) you can just think about what he could do to her.

When has Hulk ever destroyed the planet in one blow? How long would it take for him to get angry enough to do that? I hate this whole "If Hulk gets angry enough he can KILL THE EARTH" angle that every Hulk-fan seems to hang desperately onto; it's so ridiculous. His entire basis of victory hangs onto the idea that he needs to get angry enough for him to accomplish these deeds. Well, do you think Wonder Woman -- or any other person for that matter -- is just going to sit patiently staring at her nails while he takes his sweet time getting angry? Or is she going to use the speed of Hermes -- which dwarfs the Hulk's own speed by so much it practically isn't capable of being factored -- to decapitate him before he can even work up a petty tantrum?

Wonder Woman has the strength to affect the orbit of the Earth. Do you even realize how much power that is? For any one person to even affect a fraction of a planet's orbit? And she doesn't need to take time getting angry or whatever to do so; that power is available to her by default. Tell me, how often has the Hulk been punched with enough force to send the planet off its orbit?

Her blade was forged by Hephaestus himself, the preeminent weaponsmith of the gods, and is enchanted to carve through anything including individual atoms. It has nothing to do with whether or not you're vulnerable to magic. Either way, your ass is gonna be cut by that sword. I seriously hope that the best argument people can come up against this isn't "Well, the magic might not work in another universe!!"

As for her defensive capabilities, she's taken multiple blows from Superman and came flying right back at him. Superman being even stronger than she is. The Hulk's just going to smash her into oblivion? Please. That's almost cute.

Now, I'm not saying that Wonder Woman is guaranteed a surefire victory against the Hulk. Nothing like that at all. But if you want to argue that the Hulk can win her, it's going to take a stronger thesis than "He can hit her really hard!"

 

[torkibe]

Even with Wolverine.

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*breathe*

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[Marvin]

I hope that last line was sarcastic... Because Superman is no more "weak" to her enchanted weapons than the Hulk is.

i was...

funny tho, reading it as if i wasn't being sarcastic but rather serious, really puts in perspective how silly it sounds when people actually say it with meaning.


how strong/durable is hulk initially?

 

[Marvin]

i was...

funny tho, reading it as if i wasn't being sarcastic but rather serious, really puts in perspective how silly it sounds when people actually say it with meaning.


how strong/durable is hulk initially?

and what would the lasso do to him?

 

[torkibe]

i was...

funny tho, reading it as if i wasn't being sarcastic but rather serious, really puts in perspective how silly it sounds when people actually say it with meaning.


how strong/durable is hulk initially?

Even in his most calm state he's still Class 100 or better strength and near invulnerable. Regardless of his invulnerability he has been show to be injured, but he heals so fast that most injuries really don't mean much.

 

[torkibe]

and what would the lasso do to him?

It's hard to say for sure. It's been used on Superman and he was unable to break it, so I imagine it could hold the Hulk as well. It's said to be unbreakable. She may be able to use it to bring Hulk down to a calm state and even trigger a transformation back into Bruce. This is of course speculation, but I don't think it would be out of the realm of possibility.

 

[ibsisomis]

Watch the tone Brianwilly. No argeeing to disagree is trying to stop or save us from getting in a heated discussion. Which you apparently wish to do.
1.) hulk has never detroyed the earth with a single blow it was said by Dr.Doom and it is canon.
2.)Isn't superman vulnerable to magically enchanted items? That would be a reason why he couldn't break the hold of the her lasso. I don't think she's a saturday morning cartoon BTW, I feel she's probably the baddest female character in all of comics and could beat most male characters. But if you think that she can beat Hulk you are sadly mistaken. And what I mean by proof or evidence is that have you ever seen Hulk fight WW? (and don't give me that Capt. Planet vs. Cap crap) I have seen hulk fight supes, and isn't supes himself more durable than WW? Supes himself said that he could NOT win if they continued to fight the way they were fighting, he admitted that Hulk was stronger than he was.
3.) "Well, do you think Wonder Woman -- or any other person for that matter -- is just going to sit patiently staring at her nails while he takes his sweet time getting angry?" WTF is that? have you ever read a Hulk book at all? Do you think Gladiator (marvel's version of supes) waited on him to get angry to get beat? What everytime him and abomination or wolverine have fought. Do you think they waited on him to get angry? No, they were fighting him while this was going on. And (just like any normal person) they get madder the longer the fight goes on. Better and stronger people have tied to beat Hulk and have failed, ask the likes of Thor.
4.) I'm not a fanboy if you will lok at any of my other posts about hulk you will see that I have said that he has lost to many people, some he shouldn't have lost to and some that he should lose to. I'm gonna go chill on this thread for a little while before tis gets to be a name calling, because it looks like that's where this is heading and agreeing to dis-agree is an adult way to walk away from an argument.

 

[torkibe]

Watch the tone Brianwilly. No argeeing to disagree is trying to stop or save us from getting in a heated discussion. Which you apparently wish to do.
1.) hulk has never detroyed the earth with a single blow it was said by Dr.Doom and it is canon.
2.)Isn't superman vulnerable to magically enchanted items? That would be a reason why he couldn't break the hold of the her lasso. I don't think she's a saturday morning cartoon BTW, I feel she's probably the baddest female character in all of comics and could beat most male characters. But if you think that she can beat Hulk you are sadly mistaken. And what I mean by proof or evidence is that have you ever seen Hulk fight WW? (and don't give me that Capt. Planet vs. Cap crap) I have seen hulk fight supes, and isn't supes himself more durable than WW? Supes himself said that he could NOT win if they continued to fight the way they were fighting, he admitted that Hulk was stronger than he was.
3.) "Well, do you think Wonder Woman -- or any other person for that matter -- is just going to sit patiently staring at her nails while he takes his sweet time getting angry?" WTF is that? have you ever read a Hulk book at all? Do you think Gladiator (marvel's version of supes) waited on him to get angry to get beat? What everytime him and abomination or wolverine have fought. Do you think they waited on him to get angry? No, they were fighting him while this was going on. And (just like any normal person) they get madder the longer the fight goes on. Better and stronger people have tied to beat Hulk and have failed, ask the likes of Thor.
4.) I'm not a fanboy if you will lok at any of my other posts about hulk you will see that I have said that he has lost to many people, some he shouldn't have lost to and some that he should lose to. I'm gonna go chill on this thread for a little while before tis gets to be a name calling, because it looks like that's where this is heading and agreeing to dis-agree is an adult way to walk away from an argument.

1.) I'm not even going to coment on that.

2.) Yes, Superman is vulnerable to magic. So is the Hulk. Capt. Marvel, however, who gets his powers from magic and is very resistant to it, also couldn't break it. Neither could the GOD Ares, who is pretty resistant to magic I would think. It's a pretty safe bet Hulk isn't going to be able to break it.

"Supes himself said that he could NOT win if they continued to fight the way they were fighting, he admitted that Hulk was stronger than he was."

Show me where he EVER said that... And if by some magic you come up with it, show me that it's canon and in continuity. Cuz if it ain't JLA/Avengers, it ain't in continuity.

3.) Wonder Woman would be a match for any of the people you mentioned there. Yes, even Gladiator. No one is saying she would own Hulk 10/10, but you're really not giving her enough credit.

4.) Admitting he lost when there is undeniable proof (As in it happened in a comic, in continuity) is one thing. You can't deny it cuz it happened. Admitting he could or would lose to someone else is a whole different ball game. If you're not a fanboy as you claim, then you are just really blind and really have no clue what Wonder Woman is all about and is capable of. Seriously, I beg you, please go do some research on Wonder Woman before you make blanket statements on who she could and couldn't stand a chance against.

 

[ibsisomis]

Okay on the supes saying that your right it wasn't in JLA/avengers it was in marvel vs.Dc. and I don't know why i even put that up, the only reason is that I believe (not base strength because base to base supe is actually stronger) hulk is stronger or has the ability to BE stronger I'll say that for arguments sake.
You are right I don't know as much about WW as you and probably Brianwilly do. I really don't read DC that much. But on the same token, you don't know as much about Hulk as I do either. I feel that if supes can beat her then Hulk can too, that's all I'm basing my opinion on. I may have said it but I feel she has stands a chance just not as big a chance as supes in beating hulk. i'll just say that.
But I do know that Hulk isn't as vulnerable to magic as supes is.
And torkibe you know I'm not a fanboy as you have seen the list I made on the Hulk thread. So I feel like that has been established.

 

[torkibe]

Okay on the supes saying that your right it wasn't in JLA/avengers it was in marvel vs.Dc. and I don't know why i even put that up, the only reason is that I believe (not base strength because base to base supe is actually stronger) hulk is stronger or has the ability to BE stronger I'll say that for arguments sake.
You are right I don't know as much about WW as you and probably Brianwilly do. I really don't read DC that much. But on the same token, you don't know as much about Hulk as I do either. I feel that if supes can beat her then Hulk can too, that's all I'm basing my opinion on. I may have said it but I feel she has stands a chance just not as big a chance as supes in beating hulk. i'll just say that.
But I do know that Hulk isn't as vulnerable to magic as supes is.
And torkibe you know I'm not a fanboy as you have seen the list I made on the Hulk thread. So I feel like that has been established.

Look guy, I'm not trying to insult you. It seems no matter what anyone says you're just not going to face reality. The Reality is, just because Superman beats Wonder Woman, doesn't mean Hulk beats Wonder Woman. Superman is more than capable of beating the Hulk as well. As I've mentioned before Hulk's unlimited strength is a theory. He has been shown to have limits against certain opponents and in the history of the 2 characters Superman has strength feats that the Hulk has never shown. Were those feats ridiculous? Maybe. But none the less they happened in canon. Superman has been retconned a few times over his history so where he stands right now is up in the air. But to say because WW didn't beat Superman she couldn't beat the Hulk is faulty logic.

No, you don't know more about the Hulk than I do. What gives you that idea? I collect the Hulk and have for many years. Just because I don't think he's a lock to beat Wonder Woman doesn't mean I don't know the Hulk. I've seen what the Hulk can do through out his career and I've seen what Wonder Woman can do. It would be a good fight that could go either way.

No, the Hulk is NOT more resistant to magic than Superman is. They are the same. They both have the same resisitance that any other non magical being has. No more no less. It's beginning to sound like a broken record, and it should be made a sticky. Superman does not just roll over and die when someone says "Abracadabra".

 

[supermarvelman]

"He's never fought them in that incarnation" nonsense? Captain America's never fought Captain Planet before, does that mean that the outcome of that fight is uncertain? Under that logic, you can't say Hulk would win Wonder Woman because Hulk has never fought Wonder Woman before.

Yea pretty much, if the fight has never actually happened, nobody can actually say who would win, even if some fights might be pretty obvious, cause it never actually happened, who knows who would win if Luke Skywalker and Wolverine fought, some would say Wolverine, some would say Skywalker. And none of the out of continuity crap that doesn't hold water since it was all decided by fans voting on popularity.

How long would it take for him to get angry enough to do that? I hate this whole "If Hulk gets angry enough he can KILL THE EARTH" angle that every Hulk-fan seems to hang desperately onto; it's so ridiculous.

Well first off, people are saying to let characters use what they've got at there disposal, it's what Hulk does, the longer you fight him the stronger he is going to get. It's like saying Superman cant use his superspeed or heat vision "If Superman uses his super speed to his full abilities, he can beat anybody", some of us might be Hulk fanboys, but some of you are just total Hulk haters.

His entire basis of victory hangs onto the idea that he needs to get angry enough for him to accomplish these deeds. Well, do you think Wonder Woman -- or any other person for that matter -- is just going to sit patiently staring at her nails while he takes his sweet time getting angry?

Of course she wouldn't but if she did, he wouldn't get stronger he would get weaker and eventually revert to Banner. I know you know a lot about comics but, thats not how Hulk powers work and you should know that.

Or is she going to use the speed of Hermes -- which dwarfs the Hulk's own speed by so much it practically isn't capable of being factored -- to decapitate him before he can even work up a petty tantrum?

Your right her speed does dwarf his own speed I cant argue that, but eventhough we all know Wonder Women is willing to kill in extreme circumstances, its not like she gonna move in for the kill right off the bat, she wouldn't do that tell until she needed to do that. If that was the way she worked there would be a lot less villians in the DCU.

 

[ibsisomis]

not saying that he does roll over you are assuming I'm saying this and I'm not nor do I believe that he does. Let me ask you a question, do you think supes could beat Dr. Strange if strange unleashed his mightiest magics against him? if you say yes that superman could win you are fooled. He (strange) has unleashed his mightiest magics against hulk standing alongside SS and Namor and they still were beaten. don't believe me look at the past pages of the hulk thread. you think that you have been reading Hulk longer than me. how old are you, i'm 30 and have read hulk and watched hulk for my entire life since I was 7 years old. Almost never missed an issue no matter what. this this s my basis for thinking that supes beat her hulk would too. I did say she stood a chance jst not as good as superman. and you would argue that? who's to argue that. besides isn't this a avengers vs. jla thread. you want to talk hulk vs. ww let's go to the hulk thread. I'm not disscusing this any further on this thread.

 

[Badfish40oz]

Yeah sorry but Hulk would destory Wonder Woman. There's NOTHING she could do to him that he hasn't gotten out of before. The guys punched through energy fields that nothing else has gotten through, he's lifted up mountain ranges, and he's come back to life from a badly decomposed corpse.

His healing factor alone would be enough to take down Wonder Woman. Not to mention his limitless strength. LIMITLESS. You're talking about a monster who can be as strong or stronger than ANYONE/THING, and is capable of healing from almost ANYTHING. Give me a break.

I can buy the Superman beating Hulk arguments, but this is just silly now. This is what annoys Hulk fans and brings them to arguing. There are posters on this board that would have ANYONE beating Hulk.

 

[ibsisomis]

ditto

 

[Marvin]

I assume this is the stuff that makes hulk fans want to "smash" aswell?

 

[torkibe]

I'm just going to stop. It is truly amazing how people who know ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about a character can sit there and say what would or wouldn't happen. You guys are the DEFINITION of fanboys. I can't understand how you can say someone that is on a level with SUPERMAN and was CREATED BY THE GODS would have no chance against the Hulk.

For the record ibsis... I'm 32.