JLA vs avengers

Anubis said:
I'm just saying, you say he doesn't understand war, when the truth is, he does, and manages to go against it anyway.

Duly noted: but it's almost canon across both universes that Cap is a better leader. Everyone likes to blow it off, but like I said in the JLA/Avengers crossover both Superman and Bats stepped aside because they recognized he was the better shot-caller.
 
The_Mystery said:
Duly noted: but it's almost canon across both universes that Cap is a better leader. Everyone likes to blow it off, but like I said in the JLA/Avengers crossover both Superman and Bats stepped aside because they recognized he was the better shot-caller.
You know it would be so cool to see a crossover where Steve and Bruce Man a war room together and plan things out. If it was written well it would rock
 
The_Mystery said:
Duly noted: but it's almost canon across both universes that Cap is a better leader. Everyone likes to blow it off, but like I said in the JLA/Avengers crossover both Superman and Bats stepped aside because they recognized he was the better shot-caller.

I know it's like splitting hairs, but there's a difference between a fight a war. What was going on in JLA/Avengers was a FULL SCALE WAR! There were hundreds of combatants who needed guidance. Cap is defintley more skilled at leading an army. If the two core teams were just fighting amongst themselves with no prep time, I don't think there would be a lot of "leading" involved. It would just be like a street fight.
 
Varient said:
Scary.

It has been made clear in the DC Universe that if SHE CHOSE TO she could KILL SUPERMAN.

unlike the boyscouts,... she has no qualm about killing for the right reasons.

it is not any kind of fan - boy talk to KNOW that if she fought him and determined him to be a threat,... Someone as strong as Superman? on a rampage? The fight lasts as long as it takes her to get her sword,.... shorter if she wants to muss her hair.

Did you READ her last fight against a Superman who thought he was fighting DoomsDay?

He only survived that fight because she was FIGHTING not to do permenent damage to him.

If designated a Monster,... Hulk would be toast.

If not,.. he will beat her easily because all she could do would be to restrain him with the lasso.

why r u guys going around with this?


Um WW has been embarrassed by DOOMSDAY, he tied her up with her own lasso lol
 
Varient said:
The guy who was getting "blasted" with Magic to fuel him to fight the spectre?



Ok.

Being fed power and being blasted are two different things entirely

Otherwise Silver surfer would never get hurt since he can absorb most forms of energy

The Godblast broke through a celestial.

A Celestial is far above a even Cosmic cube

Celestials casually melted down a 2000 feet tall Asgardian destoyer powered by an entire pantheon.

You know Odin by HIMSELF can destroy Galaxies

The God blast has made GALACTUS cut and run

In conclusion Captain Marvel would get fooked by the Godblast
 
Guyverjay said:
Um WW has been embarrassed by DOOMSDAY, he tied her up with her own lasso lol

Don't even get me started with what Doomsday would do to the Hulk.
 
torkibe said:
Don't even get me started with what Doomsday would do to the Hulk.


Doomsday has been a ***** since OWAW, breaking his hand on Supermans chest??

lol

Just thought I'd point out that the lasso isn't some deux ex machina for WW
 
torkibe said:
I know it's like splitting hairs, but there's a difference between a fight a war. What was going on in JLA/Avengers was a FULL SCALE WAR! There were hundreds of combatants who needed guidance. Cap is defintley more skilled at leading an army. If the two core teams were just fighting amongst themselves with no prep time, I don't think there would be a lot of "leading" involved. It would just be like a street fight.

I agree with you up until the point where you say that if it was core teams fighting that their wouldn't be alot of leading going on. Take a look at any of the Squadron Supreme's fights with the Avengers or even just look at most of the Avengers fights with superteams. Cap is almost always there barkin' effective orders to his teammates, leading them to victory. The JLA tend to just run behind Supes into fights with no real direction.
 
The_Mystery said:
I agree with you up until the point where you say that if it was core teams fighting that their wouldn't be alot of leading going on. Take a look at any of the Squadron Supreme's fights with the Avengers or even just look at most of the Avengers fights with superteams. Cap is almost always there barkin' effective orders to his teammates, leading them to victory. The JLA tend to just run behind Supes into fights with no real direction.

Actually, they tend to get behind the direction of Martian Manhunter through telepathy and are fed intel from Batman. People forget the that the JLA often operate as a strike force, very precise and with enough force to get the job done.
 
1.) if you are about to say that Doomsday would beat Hulk you are mistaken. But we are not discussing Hulk Vs. Doomsday here. We can take that to the "who can match Hulk" thread. and we can go all day long.
2.) I agree that Steve and Bruce in a war room enviroment would be priceless planning how to take out Kree's/ Skrull/ or whoever it would be awesome!
3.) Batman is a loner, a tactician but a loner. He is still not the leader that cap is. And whoever said that leadership wouldn't be a key factor in taking each team down is just incorrect! I love Batman but he is no Captain America!
 
samurai black said:
Actually, they tend to get behind the direction of Martian Manhunter through telepathy and are fed intel from Batman. People forget the that the JLA often operate as a strike force, very precise and with enough force to get the job done.

Okay, sure that I get, but my point is that Captain America is a better leader than Supes, J'onn and Bruce. Superman isn't a true leader, more like a symbol, J'onn does command respect, but I've seen alot more of his plans go belly up than Cap's, and the heroes might respect Bats and his tactical experience, but his loner mentality doesn't lend well to the team atmosphere. Cap is a symbol to rally behind, commands the respect and admiration of his team and has a superior tactical mind than Bruce. If I had to choose, my quarterback would be Steve Rodgers.
 
Guyverjay said:
Um WW has been embarrassed by DOOMSDAY, he tied her up with her own lasso lol
Yes, and Doomsday has killed Superman. So...that just shows Doomsday is tough, it doesn't show that Wonder Woman is weak.

Plus, to use power levels from the early nineties as evidence for what would happen now is pretty awkward. Superman's and Wonder Woman's have been vastly magnified since then. Even the Hulk's power levels weren't quite the same then.
 
ibsisomis said:
1.) if you are about to say that Doomsday would beat Hulk you are mistaken.

I love how you are so quick to say "I'm mistaken". I'm willing to bet you know about as much about Doomsday as you know about Wonder Woman. If anyone could beat the Hulk in a toe to toe slugfest it would be Doomsday.
 
Guyverjay said:
Being fed power and being blasted are two different things entirely

Otherwise Silver surfer would never get hurt since he can absorb most forms of energy

The Godblast broke through a celestial.

A Celestial is far above a even Cosmic cube

Celestials casually melted down a 2000 feet tall Asgardian destoyer powered by an entire pantheon.

You know Odin by HIMSELF can destroy Galaxies

The God blast has made GALACTUS cut and run

In conclusion Captain Marvel would get fooked by the Godblast

I covered this already, I believe.

However, there remain flaws here.

The Silver Surfer should be able to absorb all energy coming at him, as is because that's one of his abilities. However, it doesn't seem to be that way. One would go to assume there's a limit to how much oncoming energy he can endure, or if there are certain circumstances under which he can absorb energy, like Ms. Marvel.

Billy doesn't exactly just absorb ambient magic around him, it's channelled into him via a spell, the Silver Surfer manipulates ambient power cosmic and other energies around him. Two different ideas.
 
Doomsday took everything Superman had and died. Hulk took everything Superman had and was in perfect condition moments later.

I know it comes from "non-canon" comics but it's a hell of a lot more "canon" than anything you DC ****es can come up with.

Hulk would beat Doomsday, I'll say 7/10 times. Same with Wonder Woman. They both could win, but they wouldn't.

And about WW's lasso, Hulk could break it. He'd certainly break it before he let it kill him. And if you don't think so, you're thinking about a different Hulk than I am. Hulk won't even let Banner die, at ANY cost, let alone himself.
 
Hulk is now so powerful, he beats MAGIC!!

:rolleyes:

What did I just say about taking examples from the early nineties and applying them to the characters today?
 
Badfish40oz said:
Doomsday took everything Superman had and died. Hulk took everything Superman had and was in perfect condition moments later.

I know it comes from "non-canon" comics but it's a hell of a lot more "canon" than anything you DC ****es can come up with.

Hulk would beat Doomsday, I'll say 7/10 times. Same with Wonder Woman. They both could win, but they wouldn't.

And about WW's lasso, Hulk could break it. He'd certainly break it before he let it kill him. And if you don't think so, you're thinking about a different Hulk than I am. Hulk won't even let Banner die, at ANY cost, let alone himself.

Seriously. Wow. You really know absolutely NOTHING about comic books. You really think that Superman, ever, even in the non canon books, fought against the HULK as hard as he fought against Doomsday? You have taken the title away from Jplaya as the most delusional person on the Hype. You are a fanboy in the extreme.

Hulk can't break the Lasso. Period.

For the record, moron, I collect a lot more Marvel than I do D.C.
 
JLA vs Marvel Heroes

Superman vs Sentry
Batman vs Captain America
Wonder Women vs Thor
Flash vs Invisible Women
Green Lantern vs Hulk
Aquaman vs Namor
Martian Manhunter vs Wonder Man
 
whomever said that hulk breaks the lasso needs to examine why all powerfull hulk can't lift the hammer (unless he has and i'm mistaken)

either way, same theory, enchantments apply to pretty much everyone including the one who cast them, (in some minds Superman moreso), all except god himself.

and two
whomever said this comes down to leadership which ultimately breaks down into teamwork

needs to examine exactly what is achieved with MM's mind like.

and four members of a team whom can cover a field at eye blink speeds...

(or ultimately a team with a character who can make everyone on his team move that fast)
 
so cap pretty much thinks like batman and inspires like superman

but doesn't do either of which as effectively as either...
(or does he?)
(i'm sure supes would have a larger following in say civil war)

lastly, it's been said above, the league may not be the most "team work" type team, but they can be a very effective strike force...
especially when batman has a plan
 
You know what would be cool? A JSA vs. Avengers fight.:D:up:
 
You'll notice i've not come back to defend myself from the last four people to contest my opinion.
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"Apples and Oranges"

V.
 
As to Hulk v. Doomsday, which Doomsday? Real Doomsday, who died at the hands of Imperiex during Our Worlds At War, or Doomsday Rex, the clonse of Doomsday and a T Rex?

If the latter, I could kick Doomsday Rex's ass. He's a pushover, and a joke compared to what Doomsday used to be.

Real Doomsday could never die the same way twice, and sorry, but Superman took out the option of punching him to death. Doomsday has survived the end of time, and solo'd the Morrison era League (only Steel came up with a plan effective enough to stop Doomsday, and it was an old Star Trek trick. Transporter loop). So, Hulk is fighting someone who is faster, stronger, and far more deadly than he is, and is also not holding back at all.

See, the thing about Superman is that, as stated several times, he very only rarely goes full speed into an enemy. Off the top of my head, he's done it 3 times in DC canon (Doomsday, Imperiex, Mageddon). Until Superman went all out, he wasn't even hurting Doomsday. A Doomsday that had already solo'd the Giffen League (including Martian Manhunter, who was brainwashed into being Bloodwynd at the time) with casual ease, one hand tied behind his back, in fact. Hulk will not start off angry enough to be at Superman level, and he's going to get punched in the face by a being with Superman's level of strength and no ability to hold back. Not to mention the lethal poison that runs along Doomsday's bone spurs (which will no doubt impair the Hulk's healing factor).

Outside of galactic threats like Galactus and Imperiex, Doomsday is just about the biggest threat there is. At least, real Doomsday is.
 
Marvin said:
so cap pretty much thinks like batman and inspires like superman

but doesn't do either of which as effectively as either...
(or does he?)
(i'm sure supes would have a larger following in say civil war)

I agree that Superman would probably have a bigger following but that is only because he isn't as human as Captain America is.
 

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