JLA vs avengers

[Marvin]

Yet, everyone who reads comics thinks Tony is a bastard...hmmmm...

umm how does that help ur point?

I said if cap was such an inspiration, he should have the whole comunity with him

weather "everyone who reads comics thinks Tony is a bastard" or not

It wasn't a moral issue, it was an issue of survival. 2 different things.

so it batman could have told the whole world to follow flash or J'onn, green arrow?

it was a plot device plain and simple

No, but people outside of Marvel's America look up to Cap. Check the 1st issue of Waid/Garney's reboot of the character from Heroes Reborn.

does that include russian soldiers?
or anyone below middle class america

than again i read too much Millar

Cap is an inspiration all around the world and to EVERY hero in Marvel. Even people like Wolverine and the Punisher respect and more than likely begruginly(sp) admire him.

supermans a bigger one

 

[torkibe]

If the Sentry IS as powerful as they originally wanted him to be. Yes, of course the Sentry could do it. If he was half that powerful, he probably could. But currently, the Sentry is either: One, holding back in fear of the Void, which creates a maybe just above Thor level character, or Two, isn't capable of even breaching that level anymore (though it may be possible that his powers increase dramatically when the Void breaks away, releasing a possible restriction.) But since the Sentry is a definite unknown factor, we can't just say, "Sentry decides it."

I'm not even gonna say it...

Anyway, this is what I've been saying all along. The vast majority of the Sentry's powers have all been conjecture and heresay. Until I see definitive proof of his off the charts power levels, I consider him a non factor. He shouldn't even be brought into the discussion.

 

[Marvin]

ww vs namor sounds good tho

 

[bkhedr]

Why?

We've seen him in action. We know he's holding back for fear of releasing the Void, and he mandhandled Iron Man without so much as being nicked by anything the Golden Avenger could throw at him.

We've seen him flick all the Inhumans aside like so much dust. We've seen him take blows from Gorgon and Karnak without flinching.

We've seen him fight the collective. We;ve seen the void break everybone in the Hulk's body.

This is not heresay. We've seen all this. Its canon. We know what the Sentry can do we just dont know how much he's capable of because he's holding back.

 

[bkhedr]

ww vs namor sounds good tho

yeah that would be awesome

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

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So you're tellin' me Thor, Hercules, Sentry, Vision, Scarlet Witch & Iron Man aren't heavy-hitters..
Not in comparison to Superman, and Superman level characters. Seeing how the strongest there is Sentry, with undefined strength levels, next being Thor, third being Iron Man and Hercules with 100 tons of strength a piece. Of course, heavy hitters against the several thousand ton lifting Superman.

That's never happened in a comic before. Probably never would. His alter ege seems to have Agorophobia- fear of being outside. He's been in battles and his fears have never been a factor.
See what I mean about Sentry being unknown? We have NO clue what would happen with him there, or what they can do to him. Zatanna might break apart his psyche with a spell, or Batman might.

I'm sure she'd be alittle busy with the Scarlet Witch
Not really. Unless we're talking about the totally unstable Scarlet Witch, Zatanna is extremely fast with her spell casting.

Really, how do you figure that. She's shown to be just as strong "telepathy-wise" as J'onn.
Not really. Xavier would be on his level, not so much Moondragon.

Aquaman is not "just under" Wonder Woman. Wonder Woman is damn near on par with Supes.
Not that this made any sense to me initially. I'm assuming you mean Aquaman is on par with Superman. Which is great, so now we have another thousand or so ton wielding hero.

Well not only do the Avengers have THE greatest hand to hand figher, but damn near the entire roster has been trained by him. Look at Tony fight, without armor and a bad heart, in the 1st issue of "The Illuminati."
Actually, that is beyond debatable. Cap has lost in hand to hand before. And just because people are trained by him, doesn't make them nearly as good as him.
All he needs to do is hold off the Flash long enough to recieve help. I didn't saw he would though. I agree, the Flash would handle Pietro very easily.
Maybe five seconds tops before Flash gets bored of a speedster barely topping about 800 mph.
Wow, talk about not giving a character who has gone one on one with Thor and the Hulk any credt.
Hulk with a specialty armor which happened to be lucky the Hulk wasn't that fast. And he went down quite handily to Thor.
Once again, not giving the character any credit.
Already got this one.

Yeah, cause Clark and J'onn are just killers. Anyway, Ms. Marvel is pretty powerful. She could absorb Supes "heat beams" or "maybe" even GL's ring power. Hercules by the way is the original strong man who goes one on one with the Hulk, Thor and Namor. He's stronger than most people give him credit for.
Ms Marvel's normal strength class is around 80 tons-100 or so tons when powered up. Nothing TOO powerful when you're comparing her to J'onn or Superman. And while Hercules is strong. Several characters that are compared with Superman are stronger. Hercules just has his dimwitted muscle. Everybody else has more to bring. And his fights with the dimwitted Hulk isnt much to brag about. Wolverine could do what Hercules did, Thor is around his strength level, though he can become far stronger, and Namor is just around his strength level of 100 tons.
I see. I'm sorry, you're right, you haven't been brain-washed at all.
Brain washed, eh? Hefty claim to make against me, the person who literally switches sides for kicks and crushes arguments from both sides.

But coming from an Avengers fanboy, I'm not too suprised.
Yeah, cause Hal, J'onn, Bruce and Diana are the most stable personalities, right.
Yes, they all have nervous breakdowns, or are in fetal positions half the time. Silly me.


Really, try and have an open mind here.
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My mind is extremely open. See, my favoured team IS the Avengers. It's why you see me post far more in Marvel than I do in DC. But facts are facts, despite what I want or not.

Get out of your fanboy hole and open your eyes. If you want to argue with me, that's absolutely fine. Drop the crap and bias, and argue correctly.

 

[CorporalHicks]

the fantastic four could take both of them

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

I'm not even gonna say it...

Anyway, this is what I've been saying all along. The vast majority of the Sentry's powers have all been conjecture and heresay. Until I see definitive proof of his off the charts power levels, I consider him a non factor. He shouldn't even be brought into the discussion.

Funny, since I've been saying it for far longer than you have.

However, Sentry is a power character to be dealt with, and can't be written off simply because we can't deal with his unknown. Despite what people feel about it.

If he's in the roster, he must be considered. Or else we need to disclude Superman for his current lack of measurement in his own abilities.

And I'm curious what you're not going to say, now.

Quick word from the wise, dear, is if you don't want me responding to you, do yourself a huge favour, and learn that you shouldn't respond to me.

 

[torkibe]

Funny, since I've been saying it for far longer than you have.

And I'm curious what you're not going to say, now.

Quick word from the wise, dear, is if you don't want me responding to you, do yourself a huge favour, and learn that you shouldn't respond to me.

Ok, Mistress flip flop. You're just trying to bait me. You won't though, because I'm a MASTER at it.

Despite myself, I find that I like you.

 

[torkibe]

Why?

We've seen him in action. We know he's holding back for fear of releasing the Void, and he mandhandled Iron Man without so much as being nicked by anything the Golden Avenger could throw at him.

We've seen him flick all the Inhumans aside like so much dust. We've seen him take blows from Gorgon and Karnak without flinching.

We've seen him fight the collective. We;ve seen the void break everybone in the Hulk's body.

This is not heresay. We've seen all this. Its canon. We know what the Sentry can do we just dont know how much he's capable of because he's holding back.

All of which (with the exception of breaking all the bones in Hulk's body. But the Void did that and the Sentry has not shown that level since expelling the Void) I would say Superman could do as well.

 

[Marvin]

i like the ego

 

[bkhedr]

Like? What do you mean like?

There's no room for like in this thread

TWO MEN ENTER, ONE MAN LEAVES!

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Ok, Mistress flip flop. You're just trying to bait me. You won't though, because I'm a MASTER at it.

Despite myself, I find that I like you.

Of course I'm trying to bait you. I've been looking for someone who can actually rise to rival me in unbaised argument.

You actually have the potential. You just react far too harshly, and then bind it in bias, which negates the entire use of it all together.


However, I do not flip flop, as I never have any opinions I ever share aside from a select few here and there.

As for being a master of baiting. Hardly. If you were, you would never have erupted at me originally, would you?

But you're getting closer, and I have the patience.

 

[torkibe]

However, I do not flip flop, as I never have any opinions I ever share aside from a select few here and there.

I haven't the time to go back and dig up your flip flopping on the Sentry.

As for being a master of baiting. Hardly.

Take out the "of" in that sentence and put the words together, sweetie .

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

I haven't the time to go back and dig up your flip flopping on the Sentry.

Good luck finding me flip flopping on him. Because we both know if you have the time to argue, you have the time to look.



Take out the "of" in that sentence and put the words together, sweetie .[/quote]

lol That actually got a chuckle out of me.

 

[torkibe]

Good luck finding me flip flopping on him. Because we both know if you have the time to argue, you have the time to look.

Here's a screen shot. It's easier than quoting:

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

I told you you had the time to do it. And here you were saying you didn't.

As for flip flopping my opinions? Hardly. I'd have to have them first.

As for always playing both sides to shake things up and get people to actually think past their own little worlds? All the time.

Biggest example?

My stance in the Civil War.

Of course, relating my last message there was a bit of a mislead. Though understandable.

I was relating how people write off the Sentry/Galactus thing, and why. Where before, I wrote off the Sentry/Galactus bit as more of a comparison of something else.

While it appears that what I said was that I believe it's not proof, and then I said it should be taken as canon, that's not really what I said.

You're smart enough to see the difference, so don't try to mislead anybody, if you please. Or do. The choice is really yours alone to make.

 

[torkibe]

I told you you had the time to do it. And here you were saying you didn't.

As for flip flopping my opinions? Hardly. I'd have to have them first.

As for always playing both sides to shake things up and get people to actually think past their own little worlds? All the time.

Biggest example?

My stance in the Civil War.

Of course, relating my last message there was a bit of a mislead. Though understandable.

I was relating how people write off the Sentry/Galactus thing, and why. Where before, I wrote off the Sentry/Galactus bit as more of a comparison of something else.

While it appears that what I said was that I believe it's not proof, and then I said it should be taken as canon, that's not really what I said.

You're smart enough to see the difference, so don't try to mislead anybody, if you please. Or do. The choice is really yours alone to make.

Those are some fine semantics; you'd no doubt make an excellent politician. Never the less, you flip flopped my love.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Hardly. And I don't deal in semantics or technicalities. You simply pulled my arguments out of context. Don't worry, you're not the first to attempt to employ that tactic.

Flip flop means something fundamental, within the same line, such as I said it was good for North Korea to have nukes, then said it was bad as a personal stance, would be flip flopping.

Using examples that sound the same, but are employed to two fairly different things is not flip flopping.

Don't stress it. We all make mistakes sometimes. But you're up and on your way to great things, so I wouldn't sweat it too much.

 

[torkibe]

Hardly. And I don't deal in semantics or technicalities. You simply pulled my arguments out of context. Don't worry, you're not the first to attempt to employ that tactic.

Flip flop means something fundamental, within the same line, such as I said it was good for North Korea to have nukes, then said it was bad as a personal stance, would be flip flopping.

Using examples that sound the same, but are employed to two fairly different things is not flip flopping.

Don't stress it. We all make mistakes sometimes. But you're up and on your way to great things, so I wouldn't sweat it too much.

Whatever helps you sleep at night. So... Got any pics?

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

I sleep just fine, because the truth is awesome.

And of course, none of which I ever share. Ask Tropico, and he can't get any out of me, and he's one of the three people in this forum I trust with personal things.

 

[BrianWilly]

What I'm saying is that the magical energy of Thor's hammer negates his invulnerablity allowing the full force of Thor's blow to be felt by Supes the same way a regular guy of his size, weight, physique would feel it. Meaning Mjolnir should have broke Supes' hand when he caught it.

Please show me one evidence from anywhere in canon or anywhere on the web or anywhere in any biography whatsoever that says Superman's vulnerability to magic works in the way that magical energy itself negates his invulnerability field.

 

[torkibe]

I sleep just fine, because the truth is awesome.

And of course, none of which I ever share. Ask Tropico, and he can't get any out of me, and he's one of the three people in this forum I trust with personal things.

Hmmmm..... So, you're fat then, huh?

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Nah, I just don't give out pics.

 

[torkibe]

Hmmmm..... So, you're fat then, huh?

Nah, I just don't give out pics.

Whatever helps you sleep at night.