Comics JMS off Amazing

[Kevin]

And peter TRIED to be a scientist. The reboot, aren't I right? WHERE THE HELL DID THAT GO? nowhere. Alot of things that happens in any story should have happened, but things just don't get done. SSM had in issue of Peter being a teacher. FNSM i'm sure, if the unmasking thing gets undo, has plans for it. What good can peter do as a scientist? we have plenty of those. Boo. Him being a teacher, he actually can take a part in shaping a childs future, and hell, THAT CHILD could be the next big scientist.

 

[Kevin]

At the time #400 came out, she was.

Don't buy it. She knew, yet she always treated Spider-man like crap? Okay, if that's her, then what a B****.

 

[Kevin]

See, the Gwen I knew would hav enever cheated on Peter Parker in the first place.

Personally, I would have rather seen her past BEFORE she met Peter and the gang. That would ahve been far more interesting. They could have made her a drunk, a heroine addict, or even simply a manic depressant who finally came to terms with her problem and get help to become the brilliant, wonderful person we, and Peter, came to know and love. That would have made her flawed, but it would have also made her story that of triumph, and it would have given us an explanation for her always beign the good girl.

Just my opinion, but a story like that would have been much better than "Sins Past".

Probably, just do SOMETHING to make her likable--REAL.

 

[shinlyle]

Probably, just do SOMETHING to make her likable--REAL.

Yeah. I understand where you're coming from, man. It would have been cool to see Gwen do something wrong or questionable at some point, but I just have a problem with her doing that something to Peter, when all the evidence from the stories she was in from that time period show her being nothing but loyal and faithful and supportive to Peter. I would prefer for her to have done somethign of questionable moral fiber before she met Peter. Then we could have seen her as a woman with a past, but who had changed for the better, much the same way Peter did when he went from being the hot-headed, irresponsible teen to the responsible young man he became.

 

[USMC]

Don't buy it. She knew, yet she always treated Spider-man like crap? Okay, if that's her, then what a B****.

I just meant that Marvel intended for that to be May in order to further transition Ben into the real Peter, but after fan backlash they brought her back to life and retconned the death as her being another clone...

The story, as it was written at that time, was meant to be May's death. They brought her back and every single storyline with her in it since... up until JMS took over... has been downright awful and pointless.

And as far as the teaching thing goes... again, pointless. If and when they retconn the unmasking, they still won't delve into any storyline about teaching unless it has to do with how Spidey is endangering his students, or how one of the students lives in ghetto-ville or is in danger somehow. Any actual supporting cast from the teaching storyline will never be realized. Peter has a stellar supporting cast, one of the most recognized in the comic book industry... and they haven't been used with any real class in YEARS.

One of the best parts of Pete's supporting cast was the fact that it was an outlet AWAY from Spider-Man... they were depicted as normal people with NORMAL problems that reminded Peter that he had a life he had to deal with ASIDE from being Spider-Man. Now anytime any of the supporting players are used (if at all), they are kneck deep in the middle of ridiculous super-villain schemes that revolve around Spider-Man acting like a C-List Year One superhero.

Joe Q wants to bring Spidey back to his greatness? It's really not that hard:

1. Get the mask back on.
2. Make Peter and MJ act like the couple they used to, not like they're still in college.
3. Leave Gwen alone, once and for all.
4. Bring back Pete's supporting cast in full effect, as part of PETER'S life, not Spider-Man's.
5. Keep out the space & alien adventures, as well as the cosmic magical adventures.
6. Try having some one-issue storylines, instead of earth-shattering 12 issue, life changing storylines that nobody cares about.

That's about it.

 

[Kevin]

I love Peter:heart:

 

[Kevin]

I don't care what they do, JUST DON'T BRING BACK THE BUGLE!! Peter is a grown ass man who needs a stable job. THAT'S what the teacing job did and SHOULD have done for him.

 

[USMC]

I don't care what they do, JUST DON'T BRING BACK THE BUGLE!! Peter is a grown ass man who needs a stable job. THAT'S what the teacing job did and SHOULD have done for him.

He's always late for class, IF he shows up at all! Sorry, CB, but teaching is a REAL job that takes HOURS outside of class EVERY day to actually be effective. It is simply NOT realistic for Peter to be a teacher, whereas he would have to spend more time grading papers, teaching classes, going to meetings, setting up lesson plans, AND spending quality time with his wife, AND fighting crime as Spidey?

He'd have to restrict any personal time with MJ and as Spidey to weekdays after 4pm and only weekends to fight crime? That is ridiculous. Even without the added bonus of putting kids lives at risk of DEATH over his unmasking... even WITHOUT that... NO school board would EVER hire a teacher as flaky as Peter Parker! If he's always late and or doesn't show up even ONE day a week for a few weeks, he would be FIRED in a heartbeat! It is UNREALISTIC and bad writing!

Clark Kent took the job at the Planet so he could be on the forefront of breaking news, helping him to act as Superman.

Peter took the job at the Bugle to help pay for May's expenses and because he had access to Spidey in a way no one else did. This kind of job, in turn, also helped him to act as Spider-Man. It made sense. Teaching doesn't.

Peter needs a job that allows him the flexibility to be Spider-Man, not an 8 to 5 job that doesn't.

 

[Kevin]

But being a scientist makes more sense? Time flexibility wise, right? and you can say "well, reed richards does it, AND he has two kids." Peter is NOT reed. Not even on the same level. Peter has a secret ID,(assuming he gets it back) so he'd have to spend half that time trying to KEEP it a secret.

 

[USMC]

But being a scientist makes more sense? Time flexibility wise, right? and you can say "well, reed richards does it, AND he has two kids." Peter is NOT reed. Not even on the same level. Peter has a secret ID,(assuming he gets it back) so he'd have to spend half that time trying to KEEP it a secret.

Fair enough. Scientist and teacher = bad idea.

Bring back the Bugle!

 

[USMC]

But being a scientist makes more sense? Time flexibility wise, right? and you can say "well, reed richards does it, AND he has two kids." Peter is NOT reed. Not even on the same level. Peter has a secret ID,(assuming he gets it back) so he'd have to spend half that time trying to KEEP it a secret.

Plus Reed Richards is a horrible father...

 

[Kevin]

Fair enough. Scientist and teacher = bad idea.

Bring back the Bugle!

goddammit...

 

[Kevin]

Plus Reed Richards is a horrible father...

Well, I love Sue more, anyway

 

[USMC]

Ya, she's a badass...

 

[Kevin]

t:

 

[Marc]

Thanks for the comments guys.

And.....now we can close the thread! t:

It's good to know I wasn't the only one who thought the 500th issue wasn't fitting for the series. I liked his stuff at first, too, but his "original villians" can be pretty much broken down and shown as copycats:

Morlun=Morbius
Shade=Shadowcat+Mordo
Digger=Hammerhead+Hulk
Shathra=Female Symbiote Chick from Lethal Protector in black
Bad guy from Skin Deep= Molten Man

Also, Marc is dead on about one of my big problems with "Sins Past"....MJ keeping a secret like that from Peter. Wow....marriage....all about honesty....and she keeps something THAT big form him? And then he just forgives her and Gwen for being a liar and a **** (respectively)?

Sorry, but there should have been at least a verbal fight between the two followed by a few moments of them having nothign to say to each other. Damn.

Well to be fair to JMS, ignoring the villain side of things. He did bring in some very original allies/friends for Peter.

There was Cpt. St... *cough* erm... Detective Lamont. And of course others, but I'm sure everyone here remembers these amazing and original characters. I mean I would name them... I would... but so many... *cough*

Comicboy - I don't think Gwen is a ****, hence my problem with this portrayal. Even the ****s I have known in my life would look down and mock a girl who would sleep with a friends dad while going out with someone who they claim they love. I like Gwen very much, mostly due to what a 'true' person she was.

And in what world is it 'real' to sleep around on the person you love... I've managed to never do that, and never would. Am I somehow not real? I don't know why someone need's to act an idiot to be real, plenty of people manage to get through life being honest and sensible. She happened to be intelligent, the horror.

Spidey can be a scientist, he's a genius, I think he should be more about plans and direction rather than a lab scientist. I think he could make money with his brains on some basic inventions then invest and do smart things instead of maybe trying the rat race all the time. This is how I would approach writing of any established character. If he is rich then what is he like without money, poor then what happens if he got money as examples. Simple stuff that doesn't require character assassinations, just putting them in new situations and evolve them. Oh well.

 

[Mr Jide]

I hate to say this, but we know she didn't sleep around like that. The (god, I can't believe i'm about to say this) the Gwen I knew would never do that to him... I'm glad they did SOMETHING to make her character less perfect, but anymore cheating would be going to far. It'd be like saying MJ cheated on Peter, and We know that will never happen... ... unless marvel really wants to break up the marriage.... And I think they may do that one day.

MJ did kiss this guy in a carriage/car once while Peter was in England, I think.

 

[Mr Jide]

See, the Gwen I knew would have never cheated on Peter Parker in the first place.

Personally, I would have rather seen her past BEFORE she met Peter and the gang. That would ahve been far more interesting. They could have made her a drunk, a heroine addict, or even simply a manic depressant who finally came to terms with her problem and get help to become the brilliant, wonderful person we, and Peter, came to know and love. That would have made her flawed, but it would have also made her story that of triumph, and it would have given us an explanation for her always being the good girl.

Just my opinion, but a story like that would have been much better than "Sins Past".

Aabsoloutly! I like your idea btw.
See, JMS is a shameless little toe-rag. He tried to kill 3 birds with one stone by 1.Gwen cheats 2. She cheats on Peter with Norman and 3. MJ knew about it. I'm all for shock value but not at the expense of rich characters being tarnished and ruining what was solid history at a time where the quality of story teling was pretty damn good.

 

[shinlyle]

Aabsoloutly! I like your idea btw.
See, JMS is a shameless little toe-rag. He tried to kill 3 birds with one stone by 1.Gwen cheats 2. She cheats on Peter with Norman and 3. MJ knew about it. I'm all for shock value but not at the expense of rich characters being tarnished and ruining what was solid history at a time where the quality of story teling was pretty damn good.

Exactly. Also, if Norman knocked up Gwen and he knew Peter loved her, don't you think that he would have rubbed it in his face by now? All he had planned was for the kid to eventually try and kill him. If Norman had knocked her up, right after he knocked her off of the bridge, he would have started throwing it at Peter...or, later on, in "A Death in the Family", he would have used it to push Peter over the edge to kill him, as he was clearly trying to do.

It's just ridiculous and absurd.

 

[Ultimate Kaine]

If JMS is off Amazing... I will fall to my knees and thank the heavens...!

However, such a godsend does not happen without a price.

So I'm sure the bastard will leave... but leave before he's cleaned up the messes he's made of continuity. Typical high falootin' big name writer blows in, ****s everything up, then blows out leaving someone else to try and clean up the mess. But hey, whoever that someone is, they'd probably do a better job.

I don't know what the feck JMS has been writing for the past few years... but it sure ain't Spider-Man.

 

[DACrowe]

His first 3 years or so were good stuff. Then with Sins Past it all came crashing down.

Though judging what he did from Howard Mackie's run, he did improve the titles though.

 

[Ultimate Kaine]

Mackie, JMS... trying to figure out who's better or who improved who is like comparing cat **** and dog ****. They both stink.

 

[kainedamo]

How many writers can pull off something as touching as AMZ #36?

How many writers shuddered at the thought of bringing Peter and MJ back together? And JMS did it succsesfully.

How many writers these days can write a good Aunt May? JMS' is arguably the best of recent times.

The original Morlun arc blew so many people away.

JMS did alot of good.

 

[shinlyle]

How many writers can pull off something as touching as AMZ #36?

How many writers shuddered at the thought of bringing Peter and MJ back together? And JMS did it succsesfully.

How many writers these days can write a good Aunt May? JMS' is arguably the best of recent times.

The original Morlun arc blew so many people away.

JMS did alot of good.

3 out of 4 for me.

ASM#36 was touching, but there were some parts that were just too stupid to overlook. The main one being the entire "Villians can feel sad too" part. Dr. Doom crying over something bad happening to America? Never gonna happen. Doc Ock....maybe, although he's tried to do worse to New York countless times in the past. Kingpin would be trying to figure out a way to move in and buy up the land or the rights to the construction to better his image...and later own part of New York where he wasn't too well-recieved (ala Lex Luthor in "No Man's Land"). Magneto was probably the dumbest thing, though. Magneto would look at 911 and see one more example of humans being too primitive to maintain their continued dominance over the world. I'd expect that this would be another tool for Magneto to push his agenda.

Still....all of this is totally contradicted by the fact that, at the itme the story took place, 2 of the villians were incapacitated! Magneto was supposed to be DEAD (or he was posing as Xorn at the X-Mansion), and Kingpin was comatose and blind after his men turned on him(that or he was just blind, I can't remember where Daredevil was at the time).

Now, don't get me wrong, I liked the story, but the part about the villians was absolutely horrible, and it should have been left out of the issue entriely.


I will give that issue some credit, and I'll tell you why I like it to this day, despite the blundering stupidity of the "villians" scene: Captain America.

The scene where Cap in clenching his fist in anger at the acts of the terrorists is just awesome...and it should have been a full splash page or a two page splash. That would have made the book legendary.

 

[Doc Destruction]

How many writers can pull off something as touching as AMZ #36? Quite a few writers that I can think of.

How many writers shuddered at the thought of bringing Peter and MJ back together? And JMS did it succsesfully. Not me! I wanted them back together all along.

How many writers these days can write a good Aunt May? JMS' is arguably the best of recent times. I've seen her written as well. Many times.

The original Morlun arc blew so many people away. Again, destroyed by the crap that followed it.

JMS did alot of good.

For me to poop on.