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[dan1]

Every writer makes continuity mistakes. I'd say alot of writers have manipulated or tweaked coninuity.

Because you've read so much Spider-Man back issue, right?!

Big ****ing deal if he says Gwen was away for months when she wasn't. It's a ****ing pathetic thing to point out and get angry over.

Harsh words bub. You are the perfect Spider-Man Comic book fan for the 21st century. Lucky you.

Don't forget who spent all that time posting over and over again, defending Sins Past (you). So, wouldn't that be pathetic then too?

It was a waste of time for me and Dragon and whoever else to explain all of it to you then, and obviously it's a waste of time now.

You still didn't read the backissues, but you still think your judge and jury on a subject like continuity over those that have consistantly read AMazing Spider-Man for 25 years.

{scratches head}

 

[kainedamo]

Because you've read so much Spider-Man back issue, right?! [/quite]

Oh, here we go. The whole "I'm a bigger Spidey fan than you" thing.

Harsh words bub. You are the perfect Spider-Man Comic book fan for the 21st century. Lucky you.

Don't forget who spent all that time posting over and over again, defending Sins Past (you). So, wouldn't that be pathetic then too?

It was a waste of time for me and Dragon and whoever else to explain all of it to you then, and obviously it's a waste of time now.

You still didn't read the backissues, but you still think your judge and jury on a subject like continuity over those that have consistantly read AMazing Spider-Man for 25 years.

{scratches head}

Who says I haven't read the back issues? I've read most of Stan Lee's run and I've read the issues leading up to and including Gwen's death.

Fans like you make comic book fans look like Star Wars fanatics.

 

[dan1]

Oh, here we go. The whole "I'm a bigger Spidey fan than you" thing.




Who says I haven't read the back issues? I've read most of Stan Lee's run and I've read the issues leading up to and including Gwen's death.

Fans like you make comic book fans look like Star Wars fanatics.

Dude, I'm not blaming you for your ignorance. You are definitely a product of the time.

So was I, but my time was when comic books WERE KING (the 80's) , and writers took the time to get the story straight. It meant something. I have Comics Magizine Issues where the Spidey Writers speak about how import getting the continuity and consistancy is!

Were those Spider-Man writers "pathetic' from the eighties. Plebian.

I'm not a bigger fan than you. Again, another stupid statement. But when I've tasted the ripest fruit, and your claiming your fruit is just as good (even though it's rotten) , and you ridicule those that know hw easy it would be to grow that ripe fruit again, you do actually come off as not as big a fan.


All I hoped for on ASM was that they got a writer that cared about getting it right, not shock value and ignorance.

They can write 5 other titles of Spider-Man for the casual fan, like you, but for the people that invested 20+ years into a character that always had a consistant personality and pretty much consistant timeline during the time they read it, don'tcha think it would rub someone the wrong way to see that the last 5 years of ASM has been treated exactly opposite?

Also 'bud' , you give me examples of other writers screwing up continuity in a major way the way JMS has, before he came on board.

You said 'every writer makes continuity mistakes.' That's a JOKE dude, 'cause you're flat out wrong.

Serious statements from a newbie with still quite a bit to learn.

 

[USMC]

Its pathetic not to ***** and whine about the time period a character was away a couple of decades ago???

What???

It's pathetic to be a fan that's satisfied with mediocre writing that doesn't honor what came before it. Might as well make Peter wake up as a woman and just shrug your shoulders.

What would satisfy you, I guess, is if Spider-Man were written like Groundhog Day where every single issue is a brand new adventure that has absolutely nothing to do with the preceding or subsequesent issues following it. No mess, no fuss, no consequences. Hold no one accountable, ever. Buy comics because of the Spider-Man logo on the front, not for the content.

Whatever, kid.

 

[Kevin]

Honestly, fans nit pick the hell out of everything. It doesn't make sense to me.

 

[USMC]

Honestly, fans nit pick the hell out of everything. It doesn't make sense to me.

That's what makes them fans.:heart:

 

[Kevin]

:heart:

 

[dan1]

It's pathetic to be a fan that's satisfied with mediocre writing that doesn't honor what came before it. Might as well make Peter wake up as a woman and just shrug your shoulders.

What would satisfy you, I guess, is if Spider-Man were written like Groundhog Day where every single issue is a brand new adventure that has absolutely nothing to do with the preceding or subsequesent issues following it. No mess, no fuss, no consequences. Hold no one accountable, ever. Buy comics because of the Spider-Man logo on the front, not for the content.

Whatever, kid.

Wow someone with a brain.

Same sentiments, of course. The Cool Spider-Man costume and mask may have been the first thing that got almost everyone into SPider-Man, but their is so much more to making the comic book work. Everything you wrote sums that up.

 

[diespinne]

I think fans of Sins Past and The Other "make comic book fans look like Star Wars fanatics"-- the kind that love Episodes 1 - 3.

There's plenty to pick apart in those stories than just continuity. They're just awful. I'm shocked they saw the light of print... and in Spidey's flagship title no less.

 

[shinlyle]

I just figured I'd chime in.

First off, YES, it matters about how long Gwen was away, because if she wasn't away for the amount of time JMS said she was in Sins Past (and she wasn't), then his story loses all credibility within the bounds of continuity. If I said that I went to the mountains for a week when I was 8 years old, but then, later on, I talk about how I went away only to come back and find out that my mom, who wasn't pregnant when I left, had given borth to twins, would that sound a little bit stupid? Yeah....something would be wrong, and I should be called on it.

For JMS to use such an OBVIOUS incongruency as the basis of a storyarc shows total contempt and disregard for the creators who told those stories. Hating on people who appreciate the continuity is like telling Stan Lee and Gerry Conway that they shouldn't have bothered writing it.

Now, some retroactive continuity stuff is fine. I don't mind an occasional paraphrasing of dialogue or minor inconsistencies (Spider-Man: Blue), but a blatant dsregard is too much.

There, I've said my piece.

Alos, Star Wars geeks are people too. (polishes lightsaber)

 

[USMC]

(polishes lightsaber)

Is that what they're calling it these days?

 

[diespinne]

Alos, Star Wars geeks are people too. (polishes lightsaber)

Hey, I'm a Star Wars fan too, but I wouldn't be surprised if Episodes 1-3 were written by JMS.

 

[VICTORVONDOOMX]

WHAT?
WWHHAAAAT???

You mean that reading the last 24 issues of Amazing and skimming through some of the old peoples' back issues while drinking coffee at the bookstore doesn't make someone as much of an expert on the subject as one who's read it every month for 30 years?

GREAT!! Next you people will actually expect a presentation of actual facts to back up vacuous opinions!

NOTE:The preceding was a work of sarcasm. The lack of independant thought frequently displayed here makes this annotation necessary.

 

[kainedamo]

Dude, I'm not blaming you for your ignorance. You are definitely a product of the time.

So was I, but my time was when comic books WERE KING (the 80's) , and writers took the time to get the story straight. It meant something. I have Comics Magizine Issues where the Spidey Writers speak about how import getting the continuity and consistancy is!

Were those Spider-Man writers "pathetic' from the eighties. Plebian.

I'm not a bigger fan than you. Again, another stupid statement. But when I've tasted the ripest fruit, and your claiming your fruit is just as good (even though it's rotten) , and you ridicule those that know hw easy it would be to grow that ripe fruit again, you do actually come off as not as big a fan.


All I hoped for on ASM was that they got a writer that cared about getting it right, not shock value and ignorance.

They can write 5 other titles of Spider-Man for the casual fan, like you, but for the people that invested 20+ years into a character that always had a consistant personality and pretty much consistant timeline during the time they read it, don'tcha think it would rub someone the wrong way to see that the last 5 years of ASM has been treated exactly opposite?

Also 'bud' , you give me examples of other writers screwing up continuity in a major way the way JMS has, before he came on board.

You said 'every writer makes continuity mistakes.' That's a JOKE dude, 'cause you're flat out wrong.

Serious statements from a newbie with still quite a bit to learn.

Your last sentence makes you a dick and I'm not taking part in this argument with you. I stand by what I said - fans like you make the rest of us look like obsessive nit picking freaks. I'd rather judge a story by its quality than by whether or not its 100% accurate continuity wise in a continuity thats 40 plus years old.

 

[Kevin]

I'm 50/50 on it.

 

[diespinne]

But didn't JMS come-out and specifically say that Sins Past fit-in perfectly to existing continuity? It's impossible to ignore continuity when a writer specifically mines the past and tries to weave his story into it.

 

[VICTORVONDOOMX]

Yes, diespinne, that is exactly correct. It also invalidates all of kainedamo's rather blind excuse-making over the past several pages.

After JMS STATES that he has done his homework and everything fits perfectly into continuity... it boggles my mind how when people make legitimate comments about how untrue that is, others will come along and shoot the messenger.

I mean, eveybody has a right to enjoy crap. Disco was huge and in these pages, so is JMS. If you like him...then like him- but DO NOT call people names for pointing out why they have legitimate reasons not to like him.

 

[kainedamo]

Yes, diespinne, that is exactly correct. It also invalidates all of kainedamo's rather blind excuse-making over the past several pages.

After JMS STATES that he has done his homework and everything fits perfectly into continuity... it boggles my mind how when people make legitimate comments about how untrue that is, others will come along and shoot the messenger.

I mean, eveybody has a right to enjoy crap. Disco was huge and in these pages, so is JMS. If you like him...then like him- but DO NOT call people names for pointing out why they have legitimate reasons not to like him.

I just have issues with that guy further up the thread calling me a newb, and saying crap "I was there in the 80s, you weren't", and "oh yeah like you read the back issues ". Incredibly condescending and snobby attitude.

I understand perfectly well why people don't like JMS. I haven't been too thrilled with him lately myself. But I do think people make too much out of continuity errors.

 

[VICTORVONDOOMX]

I just have issues with that guy further up the thread calling me a newb, and saying crap "I was there in the 80s, you weren't", and "oh yeah like you read the back issues ". Incredibly condescending and snobby attitude.

I understand perfectly well why people don't like JMS. I haven't been too thrilled with him lately myself. But I do think people make too much out of continuity errors.

I get what you are saying there.

Also w/ the continuity errors. However, we're at a point in the MU where it's gotten to be too much. It's like a soap opera where the guy who was last written as a quadraplegic is brought back as a track star. Then someone points this out and they're accused of nitpicking rather than being congratulated for showing the eggregious and rather stupid mistake.

 

[farmernudie]

Exactly....VVDOOMX....i agree....

There is nothing wrong with pointing out utter disregard for continuity.

(for those of us fans that have been reading ALL along...)

And, if people find enjoyment out of storylines like the Gwen one with GG....more power to them. I am not out bashing anyone's tastes. Fluff can be fun sometimes...heck...i still love Knight Rider and A-team!!

However, there are certain stories that plainly SHOULDN"T be told within the confines of a continuity filled comic like Amazing or Spectacular, or what-have you.

JMS and Joey Q. could easily start their own Spidey comic that is just lite monthly fun outside of the "normal spidey world" and people could pick that up if they wished. Then they would be respectng everyone...and everyone would have choices.

Shoving crap down our throats, forcing us to read bad spidey stories or none at all...is kinda getting old and depressing. It is hard to just "ACCEPT" stuff that the Spidey character or his surrounding cast just wouldn't ever typically do for the sakes of a sales event. Or to basically flush the stories and ignore the great writers of old by rewriting them and totally disregarding them.

I havent' even written on this forum for months recently because I have been feeling too down about this character i've always loved. And no one seems to hear ya, because all I keep reading in Wizard and online is Joey Q. boasting about how he is "fixing Spidey" and how he is going to continue to "fix" Spidey. I feel out of the loop and like i am missing something whenever i read his quotes...it sure feels to me like he is RUINING spidey at a record pace.

 

[Kevin]

"There is nothing wrong with pointing out utter disregard for continuity." It would be Pointing out if he said this once and get it over it. A second time would be reaffirming ones opinion. Any more than three times would complaining.

 

[VICTORVONDOOMX]

That's it exactly, farmernudie. heh.

If someone had told me a few years ago that I would stop buying Amazing every month after so long maintaining a run that begins in the late '60s... well, I'd have told them they were nuts. I'd have told them that I'd keep collecting no matter how bad the stories became. But I'd have been wrong.

I couldn't forsee the egotism and lack of respect for characters and fans alike which JQ and JMS represent. I certainly coudn't have forseen "Sins Past." I've been done paying for that tripe since then and I urge all long-term fans to follow suit or at least buy them as back issues. Don't give Marvel a cent for raping characters.

 

[dan1]

I just have issues with that guy further up the thread calling me a newb, and saying crap "I was there in the 80s, you weren't", and "oh yeah like you read the back issues ". Incredibly condescending and snobby attitude.

EXCUSE ME?! DUDE, you called me pathetic first. You have some nerve kid. I spent many minutes explaining Sins Past timeline to you when you asked, over a year ago, even though I knew you were still trying to find a way to back up JMS.

The reality is there is more truth to the line that "you are a young newbie to Spider-Man comics (comparitively speaking), than, that that I am pathetic!"

Then you called me a dick. Which I could care less about. That doesn't hurt me. What it does show me is that you are so defensive, your mind gets clouded on this board.

You haven't read 20+ years of Spider-Man comics. I have.

I'm not being a snob. I'm definitely not being condescending. Look up condescending; I've given you the benefit of the doubt so many times. It took us weeks of posts from Herr Logan, Dragon, and others to get you to admit that Sins Past timeline was wrong. Remember when you defended it before you even really truly read the back issues that emcompassed the whole issue?????!!!!

When I was new to Spider-Man comics I didn't have a problem with knowing that I didn't know a lot of the history and if I wanted to know it I would ASK SOMEONE and truly absorb it, or go read the issues before being judge and jury. You read Stan Lee and the issues surrounding the Sins Past timeline now. Great. There is still way over 1,000 issues besides that, that may, just may change your opinion a little.

I've read most of them, so my opinion is truly cemented in reality. Yours' is based on some kind of psychosis which I obviously don't understand. Probably the old darwinian logic that the Young thinks they have to muscle their way into something and tout the present time to show that they're in the know and/or that they have just as much right to their free speech.

I don't get paid to analyze you. I'm guessing you don't have an older brother though. Just a hunch. No disrespect to anyone here. Maybe an only child. Not close to your grandparents.

I understand perfectly well why people don't like JMS. I haven't been too thrilled with him lately myself. But I do think people make too much out of continuity errors.

Then you are a casual comic book fan, because NO major continuity errors were made before he came on board. Now major continuity errors are the consistant 'norm.'

If you really feel that way, you should have NO OPINION on continuity...since you don't care! If you don't care, then stop pretending to. Read Spider-Man all you want. Be his biggest fan. Seriously! But, don't throw your two cents into a subject that you don't care about.

There are titles for People that don't appreciate the 40+ year history of Spider-Man comic books. One is Ultimate Spider-Man, . It was originally designed for the young reader who only cares about today.

By all means read the Amazing Spider-Man, but your opinion on long running timeline related issues, is far down the "Totem" wink wink Pole. Nobody here respects it and nobody cares about what you think on Timeline issues, unless they're writing a paper on young kids disrespecting long standing fans.

So I'm pathetic (and my 80's brethren), I'm a dick, but you aren't a newbie to Spider-Man comics and your answers are the correct ones we should all appreciate and follow.

Man, again, you have a lot to learn. Newb.

 

[shinlyle]

Hey, I'm a Star Wars fan too, but I wouldn't be surprised if Episodes 1-3 were written by JMS.

Um...I'm a fan of the REAL Star Wars....Episodes 4-6....the UNALTERED ones.

Episode 3 was okay, but dammit...Episodes 1 & 2 are better used as coasters than shown to the general public. In fact, I didn't even go see Episode 2 in the theater...which had alot to do with a certain Web-slinger having a much better movie out around the same time.

Is that what they're calling it these days?

Thank GOD that perv humor still lives on these boards. I caught that right after I typed it...and left it anyway.

 

[Doc Destruction]

There are titles for People that don't appreciate the 40+ year history of Spider-Man comic books. One is Ultimate Spider-Man, . It was originally designed for the young reader who only cares about today.

I would like to quote the HELL out of this. The reason for having Ultimate was to avoid crap like this. Unmask him, make Gwen a skeeze bag, kill Aunt May, hell...kill everyone. It doesn't matter, it's a different, fresh take on him.

THIS IS 616! STOP MESSING WITH IT.