Comics JMS off Amazing

[DACrowe]

Yeah it was "controversial" for all of five minutes before not only did the readers and fans accept it, but embrace it. Outside of a very small minority the fans are quite content it is just lazy writingg that is leading to this. And it will be the last straw at destroying what Stan Lee originally created thusly.

 

[SpideyInATree]

Time Travel Seriously, folks, considering the state Spidey is in, no thanks to Joe Q and JMS interestingly enough, this actually seems like one of the few options left to get rid of the unmasking (which quite a few people have a problem with), not to mention the marriage (which most people BTW have ZERO problem with).

BTW SIAT, weren't you the one on the boards several months back that you overheard this being a possible "solution" to Spider-Man at the Phily Comic Con?)

That may have been someone else who heard it at the Philly Comic Con. However, I did have a theory that somehow time gets displaced or, as many have already said before, that Dr. Strange steps in with his magic. Considering Vaughn is making Dr. Strange awesome again after JMS buried the poor character.

But I read that article in Wizard much earlier in the week and, to be honest, I'm actually looking forward to it. I'm interested to see how well Quesada will do on the artwork...and if he can get it out on a timely basis, heh. And knowing that JMS is sort of wrapping up everything in his arc makes it all the more interesting. I bet any money that this has to do with Loki owing Spider-Man one...also considering by that time Thor and all of that will be back in play. And, of course, seeing that this could spell the end for Peter and MJ I'm probably one of two people on here that's happy as hell about it.

Though the only thing I worry about is them mentioning Sins Past and The Other. If JMS and Quesada were smart they'd keep far away from those disasters.

 

[Cullen]

So...this "Controversial Marriage" is liked by damn near everyone on this thread....including people who NEVER agree on ANYTHING.

It seems the only people who DON'T like it are about 10 readers and at least 3 working professionals. You'll have to excuse me if I am entertaining the idea of vomitting on Joe Q the next time I see him. It's the least I can do for all the vomit he's placed in my lap via these asanine ideas he seems so intent on publishing. Argh.


Also, of all the artists on all the earth, who though to themselves "Joey Q would be the best choice! Sure, he puts books out at a snail's pace, and he's forgotten everything about anatomy, but we should get him to draw Spider-Man! It'll be cool!"

Really, if he weren't EIC, he wouldn't be getting to draw this. Then again, crappy art should go with this all-too-lame story.

Okay, his art isn't that bad, but it's a long way from where it was when he was drawing "Guardian Devil".

For the record, if I'm not being counted in with the "ten who don't like the M. J. Marriage" then I ought to be.

That said, this can't be good news.

 

[dan1]

If Straczynski comes on later saying "it was all Quesada's idea" it's going to be a bit hard to do after lines like this. That aside, this only reaffirms my belief this man should have been off the books long ago. Great writer, horrible storyteller- we all know where this is 'new life-changing twist' is going. Love how they call his run a "great Spider-Man era"...

And the EIC says he owes it all to JMS. “Joe [Straczynski] is giving me a crash course in the Marvel Universe. ‘It’s sink or swim, kid,’ he likes to say. I’m just trying to keep up with him.” "

The blind leading the blind has never been more fitting.

"Wah....it's so tough to keep track of Spider-Mans' back issues. wah...I'm a little lazy baby. BTW, come see me and my sh**ty band play at a hole in the wall in NYC. Its taking up a lot of my time, but Its so rewarding."
-JoeQ the lazy loser.

 

[Captivated]

I'm hardly motivated to even post here anymore... the Spider-Man titles - thanks to the senseless and contrived Civil War - have been BORING me to tears for a few months now. I've also discovered that Ultimate Spidey clones hold little interest for me either. I've even decided that after this blasted Civil War ends I'm not buying single issues anymore and will only purchase graphic novels, if the reviews don't stink too much...

But it sounds like I may be off Spidey altogether if they are eliminating his relationship with Mary Jane... destroying what has been the heart of the character for so many...

...crafting a new beginning for the Wall-crawler in a four-issue storyline known simply, and mysteriously, as “One More Day.”

...crafting a four-part crossover that redefines the hero and his status quo—both personally and as a costumed vigilante—in the Marvel Universe post-Civil War. Just don’t call it an “event.”

“It’s not an event,” insists Quesada of “One More Day.” “It’s a reinvigoration of the Spider-Man line.

Redefined and changed? Why? One possible reason could be that they recognize some of the intolerable changes that they themselves have made! Mystical totem nonsense... revealing his identity... screwing up core characters... And I did hear sometime ago that they were going to "fix" Sins Past, so who knows what this means.

The only one who has tried to spin the marriage as "controversal" is JQ. And even he admitted that death and divorce were not good alternatives. What confuses me is the statement that the marriage controversy will have resolution. The only way THAT can happen is for them to leave Peter and MJ happily married, or to kill her.

I tend to think (based on some of the irritating statements that JQ has periodically made on the subject) that they may get creative in undoing the marriage. As others have suggested, if they can erase the memory of it or change time somehow, they can disolve it with no messy divorce or death.

BUT THAT IS NO RESOLUTION. It leaves a door open. Most fans will just be looking for them to get back together. And all they have to do to string us all along is to keep implying that they may find each other again... Which I think they will HAVE to do if they don't want a HUGE chunk of their fan base DUMPING them on their collective fat asses.

But I think they may be misjudging the patience and desires of Spider-man fans ONCE AGAIN.

 

[shinlyle]

I'm hardly motivated to even post here anymore... the Spider-Man titles - thanks to the senseless and contrived Civil War - have been BORING me to tears for a few months now. I've also discovered that Ultimate Spidey clones hold little interest for me either. I've even decided that after this blasted Civil War ends I'm not buying single issues anymore and will only purchase graphic novels, if the reviews don't stink too much...

But it sounds like I may be off Spidey altogether if they are eliminating his relationship with Mary Jane... destroying what has been the heart of the character for so many...



[/SIZE]Redefined and changed? Why? One possible reason could be that they recognize some of the intolerable changes that they themselves have made! Mystical totem nonsense... revealing his identity... screwing up core characters... And I did hear sometime ago that they were going to "fix" Sins Past, so who knows what this means.

The only one who has tried to spin the marriage as "controversal" is JQ. And even he admitted that death and divorce were not good alternatives. What confuses me is the statement that the marriage controversy will have resolution. The only way THAT can happen is for them to leave Peter and MJ happily married, or to kill her.

I tend to think (based on some of the irritating statements that JQ has periodically made on the subject) that they may get creative in undoing the marriage. As others have suggested, if they can erase the memory of it or change time somehow, they can disolve it with no messy divorce or death.

BUT THAT IS NO RESOLUTION. It leaves a door open. Most fans will just be looking for them to get back together. And all they have to do to string us all along is to keep implying that they may find each other again... Which I think they will HAVE to do if they don't want a HUGE chunk of their fan base DUMPING them on their collective fat asses.

But I think they may be misjudging the patience and desires of Spider-man fans ONCE AGAIN.

Well said.

Also, how many "Do you like the Spider-Marriage" threads were there before Joe Q kept bringing it up in every interview? I don't remember any. It seems he's triyng to drum up some false controversy over a subject that hasn't been complained about too much in the past 20 years sice the two were married. Ugh.

So...we're getting an unmarried Spider-Man who is going back to wearing his Black & White costume? Wow....so freakin' original.

 

[Ultimate Kaine]

They so want to get back to that mid-80's era when Peter was unmarried and all clad in black. When all is said and done, what of the past 20 or so years will remain core to the character? From the past 20 MONTHS, sure - they'll cling onto that stuff like glad-wrap. But 20 years? Marriage. Baby. Clones. Etc. ZipBangCrashGONE.

 

[Dangerous]

Just read that newsarama about the JMS/JQ arc next summer.
If indeed they do dissolve the marriage it would not surprise me in the least.
My guess is they want to just completely destroy Spidey before JMS leaves ASM and the day Joe Q is no longer EIC.

Guess it's not gonna be until September next year till we see the new team on ASM... Sheesh, will there even be any Spider-man left by then?
I've got to wonder.

 

[SpideyInATree]

I'm supposing that whoever takes over Amazing after JMS is going to be a pretty big name. They're not just going to toss a nobody on the title and leave him with something crappy to work with. Though, with the way Marvel has made some decisions as of late I wouldn't be surprised.

 

[TheVileOne]

Watch. This revamp of Spider-man is going to fail miserably just like all the others and it will be retconned in no more than a year tops.

 

[dan1]

Problem is, and we all know this , that the success of the movie has given them carte blanche to mess with the comic book however they want. They don't care. They make so much more money off the movie and merchandise than the comic book. It's not even close.

This was always a worry of mine, even before the first movie petition for organic webs.

Because the comic book integrity was so much more important to me, than the movie.

But oh well, at least I have read all of those amazing issues from the eighties (when they came out on the newstand, ) when 3 writers actually took the time to collaborate with "Spider Lunches" once a month (so they can get the complete continuity right, and use the back issues correctly.

Those were the days, when comic books were king, and thus, people cared about thier content.

Now are comics dead? Joe Q has almost said so, stating that graphic n's are now the future, but I don't think they are dead yet. I want to see a team, starting with the e i c who actually cares about what used to be cared about in these comic books, and then judge if comics are dead, or if they are just in dire need of originality and care that only a true true fan of the mythos can give.

 

[Havok83]

Any plans on this title getting a new artist? Garney's not bad but he's not great. With this being one of Marvel's top titles, I would think they would put a more high profile artist on it.

 

[matt50]

well at least they won't be bringing back steve skroce as and artist .....garney is decent but i'd love to see mark bagley or romita jr come back ....

 

[farmernudie]

I too am getting a little tired of even posting about spider man comics anymore....as someone else mentioned in an earlier post....because they've totally changed and ruined the character so entirely the past years its not funny.

And the agenda seems to be to ruin him even more by taking away the marriage and/or MJ.

And we all know this too won't last, and once again they'll be basically taking us back in along circle of already done-it stories eventually to bring MJ back or have them get married again or have it retconned.

Joey Q basically has been taking us one step forward with Spidey shock-and-awe-"big changes" storylines all the time....(unmasking, etc...).....which only inevitably leads us back to having to take two steps back in order to "fix" it or "Forget it" to appease the long time fans who have always supported the book when the newbies leave the book after a shocking storyline.

Why take the time to ruin the marriage....and even go there....when we know...and Joey Q. MUST KNOW SOMEWHERE IN HIS HEAD....that it will end up getting retconned and having to read another Pete marries MJ story again.

They've alrready gotten married.

Lets move FORWARD.

WIth good stories from there.

NOw we are all waiting for them to fix the unmasking to get that back.

MEanwhile they'll ruin the marriage because (it is a problem??) and they don't put a writer on that can write good marriage stories.

Then we will wait for them to write the new story to fix and bring back MJ and the marriage.

Spidey will have to keep doing favors for Loki so that he can be written to come back and fix all the dumb mistakes Joey Q. keeps allowing.

 

[Kevin]

My biggest fear, That if and when MJ goes, sells will go up. That would prove to marvel that whatever they're doing is working. If JQ wants MJ gone, he will make it stick. I'll be the first to say this: If MJ goes, The titles will NOT fail as they have in the past.

 

[CConn]

I think they will (fail) eventually, no matter what. There'd probably be a spike in the sales when it first happens, though.

 

[ragingdemon155]

I still don't get how MJ is the problem. Like taking care of her will fix all the problems that have come out of the Spider titles in recent years.

 

[TheVileOne]

I thought Peter needed MJ?

 

[ragingdemon155]

I thought Peter needed MJ?

We all did.....

 

[Kevin]

No, no, no, you all are wrong. He needs to not be tied down. He needs to be set back in 1980. He needs to be a single 30 year old who dresses up in a custom to fight crime and date around (sleep around) with many women which would make him a character who doesn't deserve respect.

 

[Spade]

Sales will go back up because they're currently targeting young adolescent males who think the prospect of a Reign-style Peter (only younger) is awesome. It's only until the controversy goes away that everyone suddenly realizes they've been had and that Peter has taken yet another step backward.

I still don't understand how Quesada thinks this will open up other story venues, unless he's planning on getting Frank Miller and Pat Lee to start a collaborative on the books.

 

[farmernudie]

A FRANK MILLER AND PAT LEE SPIDEY!!???

LOL........that'd be about swell........

"I"M THE @$$%* SPIDER-MAN AND I"LL FLAUNT MY #%#% IDENTITY ANYTIME ANYWHERE. AUNY MAY AND MARY JANE ARE JUST A BUNCH OF @$Y%@#$ PANSYS ANYWAY!"

@#^%$#@ THWIP<

(as he swings away in heavy boots and a big bruised unmasked jaw)

 

[USMC]

My biggest fear, That if and when MJ goes, sells will go up. That would prove to marvel that whatever they're doing is working. If JQ wants MJ gone, he will make it stick. I'll be the first to say this: If MJ goes, The titles will NOT fail as they have in the past.

It won't happen. MJ was killed in a plane explosion years back, only to have a huge fan backlash that made them resurrect her (with a horrible storyline, btw) pretty damn quick.

 

[X Knight]

wait....they're trying to break up Pete and MJ??!!! Why??!!

Aren't Pete and MJ one of the premiere comic book couples, right up there with Clark and Lois, and Sue and Richard?

 

[ragingdemon155]

wait....they're trying to break up Pete and MJ??!!! Why??!!

Aren't Pete and MJ one of the premiere comic book couples, right up there with Clark and Lois, and Sue and Richard?

You could even argue that Peter and MJ are "the" premiere" couple over Clark and Lois or Sue and Reed..It's debatable.

This couple is head and shoulders above ever other comic book couple. I still don't understand why Joey Q is so fixated on MJ being the problem. I mean sure the books have had there fair share of problems but not once have I really heard fans associate MJ with the problem. MJ had nothing to do with "The Other" or "Sins Past" and so on. Those were just horribly thought up stories.