Johnny Depp sues ex-wife Amber Heard over article

[Lucellit]

Continuation (my summary and evidence are in previous page) :

Spoiler: 'Love bombing and mirroring'

There are evidence that Amber stalked and mold herself into someone different that might attracted JD.

I didn’t know about this, but psychologists called these ‘love bombing’ and mirroring tactics.
I put more details before but I don't think people wanted to read that, but you can Google that.

Spoiler: Amber vs Twitter (& some Twitter users)

She even filed other complain to the court, called JD’s supporters online are all Russian bots, used a Twitter account to compiled tweets to be used as proof that JD and his fans tormented her online. You can searched that if you're interested.


She even tried to incriminate JD’s lawyer and his Twitter account because he shared proof or evidence that were submitted to the court, called them defamation and smearing although she and her team spoke to press about her JD lies for years and years. She accused that petitions online that against her are actually JD and his team’s doing.

This month? She demanded Twitter to provide JD’s fans’ IP addresses. She’s so petty.


Unfortunately, her team even managed to get JD’s lawyer, Adam Waldman to be dismissed from the court because he leaked evidence that debunked Amber’s claims. He leaked one text that not yet submitted for the next trial to Twitter. Worry not, Waldman never been the lawyer for the Virginia trial since he have no license there. He’s a guest lawyer. Benjamin Chew is always been the main lawyer.

But it’s sad because Amber and her team, for years, allowed to spread her lies with media help but once a member of JD’s team provided fact and evidence to debunked them, Amber’s team searched hard for something to boot him and succeeded. But the judge denied her team the gag order for Waldman, so he can still tweet whatever he likes.

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Spoiler: Amber vs Disney & WB

Amber even subpoenaed Disney, asking to show proof that JD lost role because of her claims. Disney fired JD 4 days after Amber’s The Washington Post’s op-ed. Even though if JD’s claim was true, no way Disney will admitted that they indeed fired JD because of DV controversies, no way.

She’s also nagging WB about JD’s schedule of filming FB3 and keep trying to disturb his shooting schedule by demanding him to be in USA for deposition in person and not doing it overseas via video call, etc. Which that last demand just recently granted by the judge, which will be troublesome to the FB3 filming. Especially because he’s filming in UK so the quarantine restriction will be a hassle, she just caused a production nightmare for a WB’s big budget movie franchise. And of course media headlines made it as if JD evaded deposition in a way that makes him look guilty.

I’m sorry but she’s way too bold for someone who’s not a star nor an A-List, it’s like she’s eager to burning bridges. Also seems to annoy both Disney and WB because they employed JD, to make them soured on him or something. Even now, she just can’t let him go (I don't get it, but like I said, maybe I'm too dumb).

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JD’s other ‘violent case’.

Spoiler: Other case

One of main reason people immediately on Amber’s side is because JD has history of violence.

He was in altercation with paparazzi in 1999, when he and pregnant Vanessa Paradis were in a restaurant together. They then tried to barged into their car to took photographs of Vanessa’s belly. JD grabbed a piece of wood and smacked the hand of the guy who tried to open the car door.

Another was when he trashed a hotel room he and Kate Moss stayed in (and Kate allegedly just sleeping through it) and paid for it. I didn’t aware of it, but people were speculating that Kate was the one who did it and JD took the blame for her because she was known to trashed her hotel rooms in anger several times, even banned from a hotel because of it. But honestly, I thought it could be either way. Because JD obviously can smashed things in anger too (like in the kitchen video).


And the recent one was in 2018 (‘City of Lies’ movie set incident).

Remember that a location manager Greg "Rocky" Brooks sued Depp claimed that JD ‘screamed at him, punched him twice in the ribs and offered him $100,000 to hit back and got him fired’? People used that as a proof that he was abusive in general thus abusive to Amber.

But, director, crew members, and script supervisor Emma Danoff denied that ever happened and Danoff has 40 time-stamped photos that prove it. Basically what happened is that ‘Brooks berated an African-American homeless woman with "racial and derogatory slurs" because she was in his way’. JD was nearby and told him off, without any physical altercation.

Brooks himself took a selfie with JD few hours after the incident and both seemed to be in good relationship. JD already made a deposition video in 2019 that matched Danoff’s declaration.


Basically it’s Brooks’ words vs JD, director, crew members and everybody else.

The continuation of the case is yet to be seen.

Inside the Shocking Death of Johnny Depp’s Biggie-Murder Movie ‘City of Lies’

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[Lucellit]

Continuation:

I recommend ‘Incredibly Average’ channel on YouTube for coverage of this case, he already made videos about this since last year, when almost everyone was still on Amber’s side. He compiled audio and surveillance files submitted to the court, including many pictures and documents.

He is on JD’s side, except for very few subjective moments, I think he wasn’t biased and let the real evidence speak for themselves.


If you wanted to hear more detail of this case presented by a more knowledgeable, professional individual, I recommend this channel (Lost Beyond Pluto):

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCOp24og-YLLuvUP4yrJ2cJA

She’s an Australian lawyer, bright with marvelous speaking and explaining skill. She is indeed a JD fan, but she confessed that she actually believed in Amber’s side of story at first but after see all the evidence and court transcripts, believed that Amber is fabricating things and committed perjury.

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Spoiler: My personal thoughts of Depp

This case made me respect Depp far greater than before. I don’t know much about him, heard stuff about how he is a shy, mellow and regarded by many as a kind person before, but that’s it. I saw some psychologists concluded that JD’s experience with his abusive mother made him trauma bond with Amber.

Spoiler: Some victim blaming

Also, he never married the mother of his children, Vanessa Paradis. And he didn’t left her for Amber, despite what some people are spreading (karma, they said). They were already grew apart but never announced their split to public for the sake of their children. Vanessa didn’t want to marry JD and JD admitted that his drinking problem was one of the cause of their separation. He briefly dated other woman before finally dated Amber. But I keep seeing people blamed JD for ‘cheating on Vanessa with Amber’ or left her for Amber and how he deserved it. That wasn’t the case, and Vanessa always defend JD against Amber and testified for him.

It wasn’t his fault he was abused by Amber. At all.

(And if you are/ was in an abusive relationship, it’s not your fault.)

Spoiler: WTF, people

Sadly even though if JD vindicated by the court and most social media folks, I don’t think his reputation will be completely restored. I read comments from people of various countries that media there also portrayed JD like a villain.

Public opinions of him changed forever.

Now and then I still saw people called him abuser, and even with evidence, some of them have this extremist view that refused to believe a man over a woman, or an idea about a woman could be abusive towards man, or ‘abused man scenario’ in general. Some just dismissed this case as ‘both being abusive and toxic to each other’ or ‘both are mess, no sympathy’. Some wished bad things to JD. Some just want to be still ‘in the right’ and won’t change their mind, let alone apologized. They are never wrong.


Some just eat up what media and headlines told them. It’s frankly embarrassing, some of these ‘journalist’ who wrote hit pieces double down and argued in social media. It’s clear that they don’t know the truth or knew but in denial, but don’t want to be contested, apologized, or admit their wrongdoings. Some twisted everything and told people that JD’s stories always changing, his witnesses only his friend while Amber’s story never change and independent witnesses corroborated with her claims which in reality it’s the other way around. Utterly ridiculous.

And it’s just sad to see some of the responses from men. They said JD just wasn’t capable to control ‘his woman’, not being a man enough or alpha male. Some do pity and supported him but still blamed him for ‘being nice and kind’ (when people who knew him told people that he was always like that), ‘soft’, a ‘wimp’, for being passive/ submissive, for being with an aggressive and dominant woman. Apparently, for them, with this case made public, JD just outed himself as a prime prey for other women like Amber, and announced himself as an ‘abusable guy’.

I read and watch reviews (professional nor amateur) of his works in which the reviewers can’t help but bring JD’s supposed to be personal life into it. Many of them either can’t help to dig at him, throwing shades or belittle his talent. Thus lost their objectivism. And media biases definitely won’t stop here. Also I’ve seen some of the reviewers who even if they can’t deny his good work, they begrudgingly admit his craft.

It will haunted him in the future too, based of how these ‘journalist’ acted and how they can’t stop throwing s—t at him.

WTF, people.

 

[Lucellit]

Personally, I’m not the one to boycott or want to recast nor disregard some artist and their work because of what they did in real life. I easily differentiate and disconnect artists personal problems with their work.

Honestly, I dislike the ‘cancel culture’. Usually it’s just ‘righteous bullying’ in mass, public scale. And those bullies usually seem to not agree about second chance or human’s ability of redemption. They want to punish one person and ‘boycott’ but with entertainment industry all about collaborative efforts, it also negatively affected other people.

Spoiler: About Mera

While Amber Heard isn’t a strong actress and I didn’t think she’s particularly charismatic, I do like her as Mera. She has screen presence and can pull off cold and stern badass without trying too hard. But if we must, I prefer to recast her to either kill or reduced the screen time of Mera.


I’m okay if WB and DC keep her, especially for continuity. But unfortunately the situation is more severe than some usual ‘canceled celebrity’ case. Not only she’s an abuser, but she falsely accused Depp and fabricated fake evidence, created uproar and got him cancelled and massively slandered, his children, exes and friends bullied. Caused him to lost his prized role, and his big role in other WB franchise engulfed in such controversy, forced various people involved with the franchise (Rowling, producers, director, cast etc) in hot water just because he was in it, surefire to driven him further to depression (Depp admitted that he was suicidal over this accusation).


Also, she’s playing victim, awarded position in various important/ big organizations to speak to/ on behalf of domestic violence survivors, became one of the face of MeToo Movement, gave speeches in humanitarian events, made her popularity grew and got her big projects, broke NDA to further her claims, caused many actual survivors in disadvantages because of this high profile exemplar case of ridiculous claim about ‘victim/ women cannot be trusted’. It’s also highlighted how domestic violence cases against men or by women weren’t treated seriously.

It’s not just her and her private past relationships, it’s already bigger than that. Some people said that it’s not just ‘cancel culture’ anymore, and I agree. It’s not about her said something controversial or wrong. It’s just what she did is serious enough and could actually landed her in jail if JD decided to pursue his case as domestic abuse. But he didn’t, and I don’t think he will. He already went easy on her for years, pleaded her so he didn’t need to go to court. His friends confirmed that he only wanted to clear his name.

She had those second, third, yadda yadda chances for way too long. But she didn’t take those chances. She abused her former wife and later her former husband, indicated that she didn’t change. But she’s not sorry, never admitted to public nor apologized, keep trying to make JD’s life difficult.

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I understand why many people wanted her to be kicked out of the franchise. If she stay, it would be as if she’s not affected or could be seen as ‘awarded’. It’s also a PR nightmare, and promotional campaign could be as hard as (or harder than) Fantastic Beast 2.


So far, it seems that Amber might not be in Aquaman 2. Amber’s team insisted that Amber lost jobs because of JD. In court transcript they mentioned about Aquaman 2, ‘that was originally going to have Ms. Heard in it.’ Then when JD asked delay for the future Virginia trial (judge later did delay it, but for Covid-19 reason) because of his FB3 filming schedule is going to be until February 2021, Amber contested that, said that she will be needed for Aquaman 2 at February 2021. But WB’s official reply is contradicted her, said that Aquaman 2 will not started filming earlier than 31 May 2021. And then later email said again that JD was needed at least until January 2021 but Amber isn’t (at least until 31 May 2021).

Spoiler: Court doc pics

So she maybe in Aquaman 2, but maybe she won’t. But nonetheless her claim of losing jobs because of JD then questionable. Let alone her claim (for her filed counterclaim) that JD caused her to lost 100 million USD of income because of his ‘defamation’ of her.

Spoiler: Pistol and Boo strike again

Plus, her Australia dog smuggling incident now resurfaced because of this trial. No matter what Amber and media said, that was solely her fault and Depp has nothing to do with it at all. She just pressured him to do the infamous apology video together with her and he took part of the blame for her. In the eyes of the law, she was the only one who did the crime, even she pleaded guilty. Kevin Murphy admitted that Amber was forcing him to do perjury for her and apparently a politician of Australia (Barnaby Joyce, who was involved with the case then) noticed.

NoCookies | The Australian

Amber Heard called ‘dodgy’ by Barnaby Joyce

And now, they officially reopen the investigation about her, and how she allegedly forced innocents to committed perjury for her.


Regardless what media said, Amber is investigated under commonwealth legislation and not state law, and max punishment isn't 14 years, but 5 years.

If things go on, it would be hard for her to do Aquaman filming in Australia.

 

[Lucellit]

I feel like you have some personal stake in this.

No, it's a 'celebrity feud'. But like I said, I'm bored. Usually I need something to latched on while extremely bored. After rewatching Aquaman, I can't get this case out of my head and wrote it (a month ago, actually).

I do admit though, I don't like how an important movement for women's rights used like this. And the way things unveiled were way too WTF.

And I saw that no one provided details yet and next week is the verdict so, I think why not (if anyone who is bored enough like me, wanted to read some summary of this case).
I hoped I'm not too annoying with too many posts so I hid words with spoilers. Maybe not enough spoilers.

Edit: Fixed, with more spoilers. I hope it's not that annoying.

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Edit 2: Somehow I just remember, DV case is too close to home. Not happened to me, but maybe that's why I was invested.

If any of you are in an abusive relationship, it's not your fault, you don't deserve that, and I sincerely hope that you'll overcome it.

 

[DarkKnight88]

Johnny Depp Loses “Wife Beater” Libel Case Against UK Tabloid The Sun – Deadline

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I don't know... Given the way the world is I doubt anyone is actually "bored".

 

[jmc]

So basically, whatever evidence he had, the audio tapes, the witness testimony, the **** pics on the bed, none of that mattered.

 

[SupermanFan]

The Sun are serious F’n scum

 

[Lucellit]

I almost forget about the verdict announcement. And surprisingly, Depp lost.

I’m truly surprised, I saw that professionals also thought that Depp would win.




So I powered through the judgement and I couldn’t believe my eyes. The Judge actually accepted Amber’s words (including conflicting details, changing dates, contradictions, and sheer impossibilities, etc) as truth. Recordings of her own that disproved many of her statements didn’t matter. Because Amber was under oath at the stand, so The Judge agree that Amber was saying the truth.

Basically:

Spoiler: Some of the 'highlights'

Because of Depp was admitting he took drugs and alcohol during the marriage and Amber denied she took them (despite overwhelming evidence, including her own recording and medical records), The Judge believe Amber’s statement that Depp turned into a monster when he was under influence and abuse Amber. Which was the basis for most of his ruling.


The Judge also rejected several Depp’s witnesses because they are his staff or his friends, but accepted Amber’s friends and sister words (if you followed the trial, they conflicted either with each other or with accepted evidence). The Judge even dismissed independent witnesses (police officers, medical professionals, concierges) statements that favor Depp because of small things that could be considered human error, or even if their statement had no error.


For example, one of police officer wrote the time when they arrived in the place off by several minutes, although they responded the actual recorded call. The Judge also dismissed that Amber caused Depp’s finger injury because Depp covered for her in some text that he injured himself (but dismissed his text that admitted that he lied for her to his doctor). Also because Depp claimed that Amber put off a cigarette to his face (that witnesses statements and photographical evidence supported this) but because there were no specific written record of this injury, The Judge chose to believe that Amber didn’t do it.


The Judge dismissed Amber’s attempt to paint Depp as a rapist (in which she stole Kate James’ rape assault experience that she told Amber confidant years before) but reject the rest of Kate James’ statement of Amber because James was fired by Amber. And she actually provided evidence (the check, emails) of Amber that she lied to escape law multiple times, The Judge recognized it, but still not found Kate James a ‘satisfactory witness’.

Weirdly, Johnny’s former staffs that didn’t work for him anymore seem to have less weight for The Judges compared to Amber’s friends.


The Judge even believe that the feces on the bed incident was not by Amber. Because Johnny was away, so The Judge claimed that it would distressed Amber and not Johnny. The Judge also accepted Amber’s reasons that it was by her tiny dog, a teacup Yorkie that couldn’t climb the bed by itself and somehow managed to pull the sheet over to cover the poop. Although there are photographic evidence and a housekeeper statement that proved that the said feces were too big for such tiny dog. The housekeeper also cleaned the dog’s poop before and said it wasn’t from dog but from human.


The Judge also accepted Amber’s words that she always wore makeup, and that’s why her injuries were unseen (including split lips, broken nose, black eyes, swollen face, apparently) even though almost all witnesses including Amber’s friend said that she is known to not wearing makeup in public and not wore any makeup after those incidents. And candid photographs of Amber were presented.

This is makeup filled face, everybody.

And I kid you not, The Judge believed in Amber’s version of staircase incident because she was wearing a pyjamas, but Johnny indeed hit her (used both hands, she said) although he had a cast on his hand for the severed finger injury at the time.


I’m amazed that The Judge also accepted Amber’s version of stories that basically painted Depp as a superhuman being that able to destroyed many things including bed, wall, and door with a single strike. Also being able to pick up a bolted plane seat (Amber later changed it to him kicked the seat off to her which also impossible), or dragged her around whole bodyweight by the hair for hours.

Even he believed that Depp tore off Amber’s hair and said:

These were photographed later. If the photos show hair without roots (and I make no finding that that is the case), I am not in a position to consider the significance of that in the absence of expert evidence.

Although basically witnesses (also her friends) on the stand recognized that they have no roots. Seemed that he keen to believe that normal human (in his 50s) able to tore off hair so hard it broke in the middle of strands rather than pulled with roots.


And The Judge agree that Depp abused Amber although there are no witnesses because that is common that abuse happened when there is nobody around. But somehow it wasn’t another way around, even with recordings of Amber admitting that she abused Depp throughout their relationship and photographs of Depp’s injuries with medical records.

Even though all the times she claimed that Depp abused her, it was Depp who was seen or photographed with injuries.


And those weren’t all the stuff. I’m too pissed to wrote them all.

I’m aware that defamation cases are hard to won but this is really bad, worse than I thought.

Depp’s team must appeal. I can’t stand to see The Sun and Amber’s team (and Amber herself) gloating about it, about ‘their version of truth’.


They will appeal. Good.

 

[B]

The pair of them were in an argumentative & abusive relationship, both of them. This isn't a Johnny Depp is the victim or Amber Heard is the victim, they have both been the victim at some point in their relationship.

I don't get the need people have to want to pick sides & fool themselves into thinking either of them is completely clear of any wrongdoing, when there is evidence on both sides that indicate both of them at one point or another have been physically and/or verbally abusive to the other.

 

[Micromind]

I have said from start that both of them were responsible for the fights they had, I fail to see how only one side is the victim. Having said that, it's interesting how many sided with Depp form the start.

Now, it's for WB to decide whether they want them (Depp in Fantastic Beasts franchise and Amber in Aquaman franchise) or fire them both. Personally speaking, I don't have any strong opinion either way but I would like Amber and Depp to continue (in their respective franchises) for continuity's sake.

 

[Lucellit]

None of them are saint. Both are druggie and abuse alcohol.

Both brought the worst of each other, and highly possible yelled and verbally abusive to each other. But physical? From what unveiled, it’s only on Amber’s side. Not even one of his exes ever said he was abusive in any way, but Amber had been arrested for DV before.

In Amber’s own recordings, she admitted that she’s the one who started fights, even physical one and she’s angry that Depp removed himself from the situation which just anger her more. She even admitted that she chased him away from the room and he never fought back.

This trial is about defamation in which Depp’s side issued and Amber’s side must prove that he is a ‘wife beater’. And so far, from the trial, Amber’s side couldn’t even prove it. Her friends just heard what she said and never witnessed any of his abuse. She claimed serious, heavy injuries but couldn’t provided any proof or medical records, even her photos are without metadatas and there’s always public photo that contradicted this. The trial just even exposed more that her version of story isn’t probable.

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Many people questioned The Judge’s ruling and I agree. He dismissed independent witnesses (police officers, medical practitioners, building staff), Amber’s own recording of how Depp never fight back and always running away, and other evidence. But because of Amber was under the oath to say the truth, then her words are the truth.

Depp’s staff’s statements are dismissed because they were close to or work for him, but Amber’s friends and sisters’ words are accepted, even contradictions and all. Amber former personal assistant’s statements who is against Amber were dismissed (because she was fired) but Depp’s former employees who weren’t paid by him anymore (so, not ‘close to or work for him’) that supported him also dismissed. He accepted Depp’s text that said that he injured himself but not his other text that he confessed to his doctor that he lied to cover Amber. It seemed that The Judge assessed words from both sides in weird, not balanced manner.

The Judge kept saying “She must have been so terrified” and “I believe she did fear for her life” so he accepted her words, even though there is her own video recording of her goading angered Depp that showed how she didn’t afraid (even laughing) and he left without touching her.

Amber, her sister and her friends caught lying, changes stories, and contradicted to each other too but their words are accepted as the proof. I think it’s understandable that people are baffled.


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Actually I said before that at the start, I believe in Amber at first. But overwhelming evidence surfaced through out the years so I felt duped and opened my mind to the evidence. I knew the evidence against her even before Aquaman but I still supported the movie and never said anything bad about her in the forum, didn’t I? I never even mentioned Depp’s name in other threads too. I stay level headed about this for years.

I have said from start that both of them were responsible for the fights they had, I fail to see how only one side is the victim. Having said that, it's interesting how many sided with Depp form the start.


Now, it's for WB to decide whether they want them (Depp in Fantastic Beasts franchise and Amber in Aquaman franchise) or fire them both. Personally speaking, I don't have any strong opinion either way but I would like Amber and Depp to continue (in their respective franchises) for continuity's sake.

Actually, most people thought that Depp was indeed abused Amber up until this February, when the audios leaked to the public.


As I said beforehand, I’m okay for the returns, even Amber.
I’m fine with both still in WB productions. Though the PR will be such huge mess.

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

Ridiculous decision. I don't know how it it is in the US and elsewhere, but here in the UK the burden of proof is lower for civil litigation than it is for criminal proceedings (it's done on a balance of probability, as opposed to 'beyond all reasonable doubt'), but it's still a ridiculous decision.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Johnny Depp, known for being a violent drunk and drug user throughout his life until he played a violent drunk in a Disney movie who has clearly been going through a midlife crisis, started clearly doing all the drugs and alcohol again and started clearly decomposing right in front of our eyes, might have hit someone? No way.

I am not surprised by the reaction, though Twitter is always a fun place to read stuff after such things happen. People have never wanted Depp to be considered what he most likely is, and thus put it all on Heard. Because you know, people like Depp and we live in a sexist society. So instead of going to the obvious, "they abused each other" it went to, "she did it". I mean did anyone really buy the BS from the driver, who said Depp doesn't drink, at all? As if we can't see him, hear him?

Factbox: Johnny Depp loses 'wife-beater' libel case: key parts of the judgment

I think there is a very good point to what the judge said. One simply must contend with Depp's defense of the accusations and reality. Especially when their big defense was Heard's a gold digger, who was planning this from some non-distinct point in the past. How likely is that from someone like Heard? Who beyond having plenty of money, as you know, also did all the drinking and the drugs.

On the plus side for Depp and Heard, WB doesn't care if you abuse anyone, so no one needs to worry about their job!

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Ridiculous decision. I don't know how it it is in the US and elsewhere, but here in the UK the burden of proof is lower for civil litigation than it is for criminal proceedings (it's done on a balance of probability, as opposed to 'beyond all reasonable doubt'), but it's still a ridiculous decision.

Depp was suing. He had the lower burden of proof. His team ran with the, "she wanted me gold and here is the Clue style scheme she used to get it"!

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

Depp was suing. He had the lower burden of proof.

Exactly. And he still lost?

His team ran with the, "she wanted me gold and here is the Clue style scheme she used to get it"!

Once a pirate, always a pirate!

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Exactly. And he still lost?


Once a pirate, always a pirate!

From what I have read, here is my very amateur take on it. While Depp wasn't suing Heard, her evidence amounted to enough prove to the judge that Depp most likely abused Heard, and thus it's impossible to argue the Sun did anything wrong. Especially as it seem Heard's evidence was created over a period of time and their claims against her were considered unconvincing. Their argument was Heard was a gold digger (she already had money and then donated a bunch to charity) and had concocted a long running narrative against him that sounds like a conspiracy theory.

For me personally, that last bit sinks any consideration that it wasn't at the very least, "both ways", when it comes to abuse, because it's just really nonsensical. One could say that Heard was a manipulative abuser and she most likely is. But what Depp's lawyers were trying to argue is that she pulled a 2020 Invisible Man with it. Which while technically possible, does not seem all that likely. And that it is the argument they went with, does not exactly help Depp look "innocent". It makes him sound like a guy in the public spotlight trying to have his lawyers lie him out of accusations.

 

[Lucellit]

He was violent before (that what I always heard before this case too) but until following this case, I never actually knew any details until this. I've mentioned it in one of my comments (too many words ), but zero domestic violence instances. I'm surprised that he only had few cases, like smacking paparazzi's hand (that stalked him and his pregnant then-partner Vanessa Paradis) who tried to opened the car door to photographed her belly, and thrashing a hotel room. I expected him to have way more case based on his image.

Even his recent 2018 'City of Lies' punching incident was complicated, basically crew members, producer, screenwriter, etc were backing Depp and provided time stamped evidence to proved this (also in one of my post, I'm way too bored ). It's basically in limbo now, because the accuser didn't appear on the court.

'The gold digger' part, while I thought was too strong, but if you follow the trial, it was indeed mattered. Before Amber filed domestic violence against Depp in 2016 (dismissed with prejudice, meant that the court overthrew the case and her evidence, also she could never file again. That's why her TRO never been actual RO), she sent Depp that she asked monthly money, 3 of his 5 penthouses, a Range Rover, paid all of her mortgage and bills, etc. After Depp rejected this, she then filed DV and appeared on court with bruise and paparazzi.

Also, for US trial, Amber's team tried to quash any subpoena to charities (so they could provide proof that she was indeed donated the money). The UK Judge accepted that she donated because he took her words for it. The UK Judge didn't ruled Amber to provided the proof mentioned above, but US Judge denied her motions. So stuff about her donation should be appear in the US trial. I think she needed to provided this, to end the 'gold digger' accusation for good.

Spoiler: Some of them

She also tried to excluded any mention for the future trial about her past domestic violence arrest, both Aussie dog smuggling incident and Homeland Security case about illegal foreign worker (that showed her lied to evaded law before), or declarations of some people who testified against her because they are ‘irrelevant’.

From what I've seen, it was her part that actually unconvincing, especially because she and her witnesses changed dates and contradicted each other. Her evidence also contradicted independent witnesses, medical records and pictures with metadata. But somehow The Judge ruled for her, so Iet's see how it will go. And like I said, I actually on her side at first. And somehow stubborn, because I didn't see why she did that (until I actually saw more evidence).
This is too complicated.

 

[Sithborg]

Ridiculous decision. I don't know how it it is in the US and elsewhere, but here in the UK the burden of proof is lower for civil litigation than it is for criminal proceedings (it's done on a balance of probability, as opposed to 'beyond all reasonable doubt'), but it's still a ridiculous decision.

I have been following a bunch of lawyers who are big into 1st amendment type stuff, and have criticized SLAAP suits. For the most part, the fact that Depp hit her, in self defense or not, is enough to kill a defamation suit.

Frankly, the UK system is bad, because it seems to be set up to protect the powerful.

I don't see how the ruling is ridiculous. **** both of them. And astonishingly, no one seems to have been significantly depraved of livelyhood yet.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

He was violent before (that what I always heard before this case too) but until following this case, I never actually knew any details until this. I've mentioned it in one of my comments (too many words ), but zero domestic violence instances. I'm surprised that he only had few cases, like smacking paparazzi's hand (that stalked him and his pregnant then-partner Vanessa Paradis) who tried to opened the car door to photographed her belly, and thrashing a hotel room. I expected him to have way more case based on his image.

Even his recent 2018 'City of Lies' punching incident was complicated, basically crew members, producer, screenwriter, etc were backing Depp and provided time stamped evidence to proved this (also in one of my post, I'm way too bored ). It's basically in limbo now, because the accuser didn't appear on the court.

So what you are arguing is that he is violent, just not violent to people he is dating. While being a heavy alcohol and drug abuser.

The reason this is relevant is the idea was to paint Depp as some sort of gentle soul, who couldn't hurt a fly. It's BS. Same with the idea that he was some sort of teetotaler. Heard being liar, doesn't mean Depp isn't one. Especially when consider what Depp and his people were trying to pass. Both sides attempted to paint a very rosy picture of themselves, and the potentially ridiculous of the other. It's a lawsuit, it's the usual. But come on people. Only one ****s in beds and writes in blood on walls.

'The gold digger' part, while I thought was too strong, but if you follow the trial, it was indeed mattered. Before Amber filed domestic violence against Depp in 2016 (dismissed with prejudice, meant that the court overthrew the case and her evidence, also she could never file again. That's why her TRO never been actual RO), she sent Depp that she asked monthly money, 3 of his 5 penthouses, a Range Rover, paid all of her mortgage and bills, etc. After Depp rejected this, she then filed DV and appeared on court with bruise and paparazzi.

Also, for US trial, Amber's team tried to quash any subpoena to charities (so they could provide proof that she was indeed donated the money). The UK Judge accepted that she donated because he took her words for it. The UK Judge didn't ruled Amber to provided the proof mentioned above, but US Judge denied her motions. So stuff about her donation should be appear in the US trial. I think she needed to provided this, to end the 'gold digger' accusation for good.

Spoiler: Some of them

She also tried to excluded any mention for the future trial about her past domestic violence arrest, both Aussie dog smuggling incident and Homeland Security case about illegal foreign worker (that showed her lied to evaded law before), or declarations of some people who testified against her because they are ‘irrelevant’.

So what you are saying is, typical demands in a rich people getting divorced situation?

Again, the issue with the argument. The idea has to be that she planned it from the start. And if not the start, long before they separated, with the idea of branding him a beater of women. And for Depp to be correct here, it means he never hit her. You know, the guy who seemingly got constantly wasted. So even if Heard gave not one penny to charity, the argument still has to be, that she concocted this plot to steal his gold and started sending and receiving texts and emails to lay the ground work. That everything she claimed was false, but only sent and received enough messages to make it look like she wasn't trying to set him up. That's in the judge's ruling.

How likely is that really?

From what I've seen, it was her part that actually unconvincing, especially because she and her witnesses changed dates and contradicted each other. Her evidence also contradicted independent witnesses, medical records and pictures with metadata. But somehow The Judge ruled for her, so Iet's see how it will go. And like I said, I actually on her side at first. And somehow stubborn, because I didn't see why she did that (until I actually saw more evidence).
This is too complicated.

The judge did not rule for Heard. She was not being sued. The Sun was. What Depp did was get a judge to say that he most likely abused his ex-wife and thus the Sun branding him a wife beater was justified.

In what way were the dates wrong and how relevant is it to the claims? One could say they were abused on Tuesday, it was actually Wednesday, and it still happened.

Who are the independent witness?

How are medical records contradicted and what is their relevance?

The issues with the metadata and the relevance?

Does all this in anyway negate each allegation, in part or full? Because all that needed to be proven was that one incident most likely happened. The idea here isn't, "is Amber Heard a liar". I agree she is. That doesn't change that Depp also most likely hit her, and the evidence provided showed that to the judge.

 

[Prison Mike]

My personal take...Depp is going to be fine (career wise). I doubt the general population have been following this news (there’s more important things going on right now). Whenever he comes back onscreen, this will probably be forgotten about (if anyone even remembers this).

 

[jmc]

The lawsuit was against The Sun, not Heard.

 

[Schlosser85]

My personal take...Depp is going to be fine (career wise). I doubt the general population have been following this news (there’s more important things going on right now). Whenever he comes back onscreen, this will probably be forgotten about (if anyone even remembers this).

Nobody is gonna care about this.

Much as I think both Depp and Heard give bad, autopilot "performances" as Grindelwald and Meera (Depp even moreso in blatantly not giving a crap), it'd be lame to recast them for this offscreen drama, especially given how murky and muddled and ambiguous it all is.

 

[B]

In Amber’s own recordings, she admitted that she’s the one who started fights, even physical one and she’s angry that Depp removed himself from the situation which just anger her more. She even admitted that she chased him away from the room and he never fought back.

Sorry to cherry pick your entire post but this isn't true for every fight they had because I listened to one of the audio recordings a few months ago on Youtube from what I presume is the pair of them talking it out following 1 of their many bust ups.

From what I remember, they each recollect the events of a particular night & they were having a heated argument & at some point in the argument Depp walked through a doorway & aggressively tried to slam the door which hit Heard's toes, to which she obviously lamped him one, followed by a brief scuffle.

In the recording they both apologised to one another, he claimed it was an accident, which to be fair it probably was ie the door hitting her bit, but he damn sure meant to slam the door as hard & as violently as he could in anger. She then apologised for whacking him but only done so out of retaliation.

 

[Lucellit]

So what you are arguing is that he is violent, just not violent to people he is dating. While being a heavy alcohol and drug abuser.

The reason this is relevant is the idea was to paint Depp as some sort of gentle soul, who couldn't hurt a fly. It's BS. Same with the idea that he was some sort of teetotaler. Heard being liar, doesn't mean Depp isn't one. Especially when consider what Depp and his people were trying to pass. Both sides attempted to paint a very rosy picture of themselves, and the potentially ridiculous of the other. It's a lawsuit, it's the usual. But come on people.

And nah, I didn’t buy that he couldn’t hurt a fly. That was some of his fans’ claims. Definitely not a teetotaler. Depp and his team actually admitted this on the court. It was Amber that actually denied her drugs used and her drinking.

Because domestic violence has pattern and most of the time a recurring one. That’s why it’s common that when a person accused of DV, usually other survivor(s) came forward.

And Depp already did drugs and drinking since he was young and went through multiple years of long relationship. Yet no other exes claimed that he was abusive. Even without abuse, relationship that ended usually soured either one or both parties but in Depp’s case, his exes back to his first wife in the 80’s actually backed him. Amber’s allegations actually open the gate for more allegation yet his other exes actually defended him publicly.

Only one ****s in beds and writes in blood on walls.

No, two. Writes in blood on walls was Depp after Amber (she admitted it was her fault in her own secret recording) severed the top of his finger. The one who defecated on the bed was Amber. Come on, even Amber and The Judge agree that Depp wasn’t in the building. And no, definitely not from her miniature dog.

I spare the rest of us from the cursed image, but you can actually Google the said poop image that was taken by the housekeeper. She found the poop covered under the sheet. Definitely not a dog’s poop, that’s all I can say.

So what you are saying is, typical demands in a rich people getting divorced situation?

Again, the issue with the argument. The idea has to be that she planned it from the start. And if not the start, long before they separated, with the idea of branding him a beater of women. And for Depp to be correct here, it means he never hit her. You know, the guy who seemingly got constantly wasted. So even if Heard gave not one penny to charity, the argument still has to be, that she concocted this plot to steal his gold and started sending and receiving texts and emails to lay the ground work. That everything she claimed was false, but only sent and received enough messages to make it look like she wasn't trying to set him up. That's in the judge's ruling.

How likely is that really?

How likely? That’s why I believed in Amber first.

Depp wasted a lot of the times, but as you can see and heard from Amber’s own recordings, she never mentioned about him abusing her. Even in the kitchen ‘fight’ video (the one that TMZ edited which seemed that Depp angry at Amber then after dumping her phone, beat her), if you see the full version (both this and TMZ version are full cussing, I can't display here), you can see that even when angry Depp didn’t touch her and just slamming cupboards and inanimate objects.

She acted meek and said sorry, but in TMZ version, they removed his response. He said things that happened to him wasn’t happened at her. So, he didn’t even angry at her, and after he realized she was secretly recording him, he dump her phone and left. Without touching her. You could see Amber dropped the act after he took her phone. She was actually unafraid, even taunting him and laughing at him. Even following him and you can see her smirk and clean face afterwards. She collected ‘evidence’ even then.

Amber planned it from the start? It was a possibility. She wanted to get married (and fought hard for the marriage) and Depp said that ‘knew the fights wouldn’t stop when we got married, but thought it would curb them a little’ (they discussed it in the recording).

Interesting that you mentioned emails. Amber’s team actually used her unsent email drafts as evidence.

It was unbelievable for me at first, but from evidence, it seemed that it was indeed the case. Immediately after marriage, she began to wrote a diary that mentioned Honeymoon incident on a train, how Depp beat her (The Judge ruled this in Depp’s favor, so I don’t think I need to broke it down). But somehow her diary never brought up again for other incidents.

You can Google Amber’s parents’ text to Depp (it has swear words) after Amber issued DV. You can see how shocked Depp was, and her parents admitted to Depp that Amber just following her lawyer’s advice so she could stay on Depp’s penthouse. They even said that Depp has every right to be angry. They also agreed that the restraining order and the doctored photos were her lawyer’s idea too, so they hoped they should together again.

I don’t know if those actually her lawyer’s idea, but Amber’s parents text Depp that Amber confessed to them that the abuse was made up and an excuse for her to not get evicted.

The judge did not rule for Heard. She was not being sued. The Sun was. What Depp did was get a judge to say that he most likely abused his ex-wife and thus the Sun branding him a wife beater was justified.

I’m aware that The Sun was the one sued for libel. I stated that in my first post in this thread.

But these evidence will be used later for the Virginia trial next year.

In what way were the dates wrong and how relevant is it to the claims? One could say they were abused on Tuesday, it was actually Wednesday, and it still happened.

Okay, I’ll give one instance that on top of my head.

In Amber’s case actually she changed dates because later people found that there are photographic evidence that showed that she didn’t have face injuries like she claimed. Initially she sworn, and deadly confident that it was March 8, 2013. Her sister Whitney, also sworn the same.

At the time, she claimed that Depp hit her caused bloody injury and caused them late to the Keith Richard’s event.

The Smeg fridge, however, only purchased more than a year later.

After the photo, suddenly she changed her story and dates, claimed that Depp hit her at March 22, 2013. Said he hit her with fist with rings, caused heavy injury. Whitney suddenly changed her dates to matched Amber’s.

But there are photo of her with Ian Patrick McLagan at March 23, free of facial injuries.

Amber swore that her face was injured in that photo.

This is not just she forgot the date. She claimed a date with specific details, yet when there are pictures said otherwise, she changed her story and date. Her sister is unreliable, because she was just parroting what Amber said. Identical to the details and even the mistakes. She changed her version of story and dates because Amber changed them first (both sisters was appeared on the court).

Who are the independent witness?

The police officers, medical professionals, concierges, anyone who is a neutral party.

How are medical records contradicted and what is their relevance?]

I’ll give one instance that on top of my head too. There are more but this is very late in my country so I’m already tired. I hope my answer is satisfactionary.

Nurse Erin Burin called by Amber at December 15, 2015 (before The James Corden Show) to examine her injuries (above). The attack that supposed to caused her split lips, pulled out hair (and pusey), two black eyes, bruised ribs, broken nose and split lips.

She couldn’t find any said injuries on Amber, only a bleeding lip that wasn’t from other person abuse, but from dry chapped lips and Amber picked them. Trained nurse can’t even saw anything. Depp’s team used her medical notes from that night to counter her claims.

This is her at The James Corden Show after the attack, anyway.

Amber claimed that makeup enough to covered all of those broken, bruised swollen, and busted part of her body and face but, come on. Weirdly The Judge agreed that while Amber's claims of injuries are questionable, but he accepted that she indeed injured. Because her friends said so and Amber swore under oath. But neutral party like Nurse Burin with her medical expertise and note weren't credible enough, apparently.

The issues with the metadata and the relevance?

The issues are, while Depp provided pictures of his injuries with metadata from the phone, there are pictures of Amber’s injuries that she provided without metadata. That meant she couldn’t prove her pictures are legit, because there are possibility that she could took it later. There are pictures from her with ‘edited’ in the filenames. This is important because multiple witnesses saw her without injuries, while makeup free. This metadata is important because her 2016 DV case against Depp was dismissed with prejudice because of her evidence.

Does all this in anyway negate each allegation, in part or full? Because all that needed to be proven was that one incident most likely happened. The idea here isn't, "is Amber Heard a liar". I agree she is. That doesn't change that Depp also most likely hit her, and the evidence provided showed that to the judge.

In my subjective thinking, actually they negated Amber’s claims. Because I followed the trial and read court documents (unfortunately, my brain is way too weak to remember all details), and Amber and The Sun couldn’t proved even one incident with actually enough evidence vs Depp’s counter evidence.

But somehow The Judge dismissed neutral parties’ statements but accepted Amber’s (because she said under oath that she said the truth). He rejected Depp’s staff and friends’ statements (because they’re loyal and close too him) but accepted Amber’s friends and sister’s statements even though they lived off of her (some, for quite a while).

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I’m not trying to be argumentative, BTW. My English sucks anyway, so I’m never good with arguments.

I think you are actually being perceptive. I hope I didn’t offending you in any way.