Justice League Justice League: News and Speculation - Part 4

[Dark Knight]

Speculation that people are treating as news is what causes months and months of debate over what is real and what isn't. Nothing wrong with discussing speculation but you gotta admit that people are taking this to the extreme making up ways for the story to work when every single bit of evidence points to Nolan A) not being associated with anymore superhero properties after the Batman reboot and B) keeping TDK trilogy as a finite story.

People wonder why there's so much confusion about what is or isn't news? This is why. That's why the easiest and most effective way to gauge whether a rumor is valid or not is if the three trades run with it. If none of them touch it, that's that.

Trades haven't touched this......yet at least.

Let's see what happens in the coming months or right after the release of MOS buddy.

If WB's wants to give Chris Nolan, (Syncopy) Snyder, Jonah, and Goyer higher positions of creative power and more money to develop these DC characters, than why wouldn't they take it?

Plus, by hiring Syncopy as the main producer of these films, this could be the big replacement to what Tull's Legendary productions was doing with WB's as well.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Yes there would be. Honestly, did anybody actually watch Nolan's trilogy and understood what that ending meant

You mean the finite ending to a finite story that will not be further explored in future movies? That ending?

 

[Dark Sentinel]

Speculation that people are treating as news is what causes months and months of debate over what is real and what isn't. Nothing wrong with discussing speculation but you gotta admit that people are taking this to the extreme making up ways for the story to work when every single bit of evidence points to Nolan A) not being associated with anymore superhero properties after the Batman reboot and B) keeping TDK trilogy as a finite story.

People wonder why there's so much confusion about what is or isn't news? This is why. That's why the easiest and most effective way to gauge whether a rumor is valid or not is if the three trades run with it. If none of them touch it, that's that.

I don't think it's "taking it to an extreme", to an extent. Me, I love to write, so I enjoy throwing down a little fanfiction every now and again and speculate on the possibilities.

If it turns out to be crap, yes many of us (myself included) would/will be greatly disappointed. Nolan did what few people imagined with a comic book character, and turned it into a true phenomenon and no matter what Marvel cooks up in their camp Nolan has made his mark, plain and simple. The man's a legend and his career is just hitting its stride. Who among us wouldn't want him to have an idea or two to throw in to a potential DCCU?

Perhaps it would benefit the JL Boards to have a "Speculation specific" thread, just to keep the News news and Spec spec. But I get where you're coming from man.

 

[Anita18]

It pains me to read this.

It shouldn't. Batman is a flexible-enough character to allow many interpretations. I like them all. Well, maybe aside from *****ebag Batman, cause who likes a *****ebag?

 

[J.Howlett]

You mean the finite ending to a finite story that will not be further explored in future movies? That ending?

Yeah. The one from July 2012. I swore I saw it. And I swore JGL and Nolan pretty much gave interviews acknowledging the fact of what the ending meant.

 

[C. Lee]

I heard a certain reviewer (the one and only Jeremy Jahns) make an interesting and actually solid comment that Nolan's trilogy is the "actual" account of Batman in Gotham City, and that all the comics and cartoons and other stuff are the "fancifications" of that actual account.

Food for thought.

Well I heard that another reviewer (the one and only C. Lee) says that all movies, TV shows comics cartoons and other stuff are up to the individual watching it as to whether it is anything or not.

Cheeseburger and fries.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Trades haven't touched this......yet at least.

And how long has it been? Over 12 hours? The posted the Abrams/SW scoop within an 30 minutes of it breaking. Same for the Han/Boba Fett spin offs. The trades are quick as hell to post a scoop someone else broke and add their 2 cents. If they don't do it fast they lose credibility. If they don't touch it at all (i.e. Yoda spin off, Planet Hulk, Momoa/GOTG, Affleck/JL) it's because there's nothing newsworthy about it.

 

[TheVileOne]

The trades aren't going to confirm this because it is BS just like the Planet Hulk and War War Hulk garbage.

El Mayimbe doesn't have substance. All he has is this SUPERMAN CAN'T DO THIS ALONE nonsense, so they need Christian Bale!

 

[Poni_Boy]

Yeah. The one from July 2012. I swore I saw it. And I swore JGL and Nolan pretty much gave interviews acknowledging the fact of what the ending meant.

You mean the interviews where they said over and over and over that it was the end of the trilogy? The culmination of "the Dark Knight legend"?

You mean those interviews? Bullcrap. They were obviously lying.

 

[Macphisto]

It shouldn't. Batman is a flexible-enough character to allow many interpretations. I like them all. Well, maybe aside from *****ebag Batman, cause who likes a *****ebag?

Oh absolutely. It's just I happen to hate the half-arsed part-time Batman interpretation. That said, I'm probably the only guy who likes *****ebag Batman. Reminds me of my grandfather. t:

 

[Travesty]

The trades aren't going to confirm this because it is BS just like the Planet Hulk and War War Hulk garbage.

El Mayimbe doesn't have substance. All he has is this SUPERMAN CAN'T DO THIS ALONE nonsense, so they need Christian Bale!

 

[Poni_Boy]

The trades aren't going to confirm this because it is BS just like the Planet Hulk and War War Hulk garbage.

El Mayimbe doesn't have substance. All he has is this SUPERMAN CAN'T DO THIS ALONE nonsense, so they need Christian Bale!

Winner winner chicken dinner

 

[Rodrigo90]

So nobody here thinks that it's a possibility that Nolan will produce a JL universe alongside a rebooted Bat universe with Bale returning as a different Batman?

That makes more sense than anything else right now.

 

[DigificWriter]

^ No.

 

[BatLobster]

It's way too early to say this is either 100% confirmed or 100% BS. Just because the trades haven't ran with it yet doesn't mean there aren't serious discussions going on that the studio is trying to pursue as privately as possible.

Like it or not, this news is not going away just yet. If this was truly complete BS, it'd be wise for the studio to immediately debunk it, seeing as it opens a whole can of worms. But they haven't.

 

[TheVileOne]

Just realize guys for all the legit scoops that do get thrown out there we see just as many that are fake and BS as well.

Lost count of all the fake trailer and scene reports there were for Avengers.

Nolan having some sort of development deal with these movies is hardly anything new for starters.

For another, there is really nothing to prove that Bale is coming back and Nolan will work on the story to bring him back. All El Mayimbe is saying, WARNER BROS. NEEDS AN ACE IN THE HOLE TO COMPETE WITH MCU AND STAR WARS WITH JJ ABRAMS! They have to make a DCCU with Nolan/Bale Batman! It reads like fanboy tripe and speculation to me.

For starters it does nothing to address what changed Nolan's mind. To me it's not money. Nolan's paydays are astronomical and he probably has creative freedom for the rest of his career. And I honestly doubt Nolan is of an ego that JJ Abrams is making him step his game up or he saw The Avengers and thought, "You know what Warner Bros, I've had it wrong all these years with my Batman trilogy. I can do this, but I can do it even better."

 

[floreairfoot]

I think the plan would be to bring Bale back for a possible Worlds Finest film and perhaps 2 Justice League films or just have Bale as Batman in a Justice League Trilogy of films.

Then the reboot of solo Bat films with a new lead actor as Batman would come later.

But wouldn't they want movies between The Justice League? Superman 2 , Wonder Woman, maybe a new GL, Flash, and something Batman?

Like they're doing with all the Marvel movies, I'm sure they would want something Batman between JL movies.

Could that mean we might get another Nolan Batman?

 

[Mr.M]

That's my problem with this whole situation. How the hell do you get the audience by the fact that Superman wasn't around to help Gotham when Bane took over?

How do you get past that if he's the goddamn Superman?

You don't. But if that's the case, how could you ever have Supes and a rebooted Batman in the same universe? Just like you hear with IM3, where are the Avengers to help out? The simple explanation being, even though Superman is on Earth, he (or the Avengers) can't be everywhere at once. Don't make him as overpowered as the Donnerverse would be my only guess.

The thing is though...say Bale returns, where would that leave Batman as a solo franchise? We all know that WB will make more Batman movies and surely they want JL to be the start of a shared universe that will lead to various other films.

Would Bale do more solo films? I wouldn't say so.

Nope. I think you leave those stories for Blake. If they go in this direction, it doesn't make sense to reboot Batman.

It happens. Remember though that RDJ already has a good 10 years on Bale and it looks like he will be IM for at least two more Avengers films. It's working for them isn't?

I think the plan would be to bring Bale back for a possible Worlds Finest film and perhaps 2 Justice League films or just have Bale as Batman in a Justice League Trilogy of films.

Then the reboot of solo Bat films with a new lead actor as Batman would come later.

I don't think Bale signs on for multiple movies. I think World's Finest is more likely at this point. If that explodes and makes 1.4 billion or so, then maybe you can sign Bale for Justice League, or two films back to back in 2018 or so. I never thought RDJ would return after Iron Man 3, but because of the success of Avengers, the money will probably bring him back for at least one more ensemble.

 

[DigificWriter]

^ It doesn't take that long for the trades to pick up on a story if it has merit.

 

[Rodrigo90]

^ No.

How so?

 

[Dark Sentinel]

Must I say it again?

If they want to connect the DKT and MOS into JL (through Nolan, if these rumors pan out), and in this connected universe Bruce is still alive, then the mission goes on. TDKR's ending is still valid, for TDKR and the Dark Knight Trilogy.

But Bruce's story as Batman ends with his death. With. His. Death. We know it, and Nolan damn sure knows it. If not then Jonah and Goyer know it. It is the central characteristic of who Bruce is.

I'm saying this out of pure speculation of the possibility that there might, just might be some shred of validity to these rumors that we've gotten. And if this is the direction that WB and Nolan and Snyder have agreed to go in then there doesn't need to be some complicated retcon bullcrap to explain Bale's Bruce's return.

 

[Poni_Boy]

It's way too early to say this is either 100% confirmed or 100% BS. Just because the trades haven't ran with it yet doesn't mean there aren't serious discussions going on that the studio is trying to pursue as privately as possible.

Like it or not, this news is not going away just yet. If this was truly complete BS, it'd be wise for the studio to immediately debunk it, seeing as it opens a whole can of worms. But they haven't.

Studios don't debunk rumors. If they did then that would set the status quo of their silence meaning confirmation.

If the three trades don't run with a story it's because it's a bulls**t story. That is inarguable. That's how this business works. No one has the studio connections they have. Ask any journalist worth a damn, if the trades ignore something it's because it's not newsworthy. Some of their writers may make side bar comments (i.e. Nikki Finke with Affleck, THR dude with Momoa) but that's the most official unofficial confirmation you'll get.

 

[TheVileOne]

Even the trades get things wrong a lot.

Lest not forget Batman/Superman the movie starring Colin Farrell and Jude Law.

 

[Tony Stark]

So nobody here thinks that it's a possibility that Nolan will produce a JL universe alongside a rebooted Bat universe with Bale returning as a different Batman?

That makes more sense than anything else right now.

No I don't. First off, I don't think Nolan wants to be a "comic book movie guy". I don't think he wanted to be that when he did the Dark Knight movies. He wanted to direct a story with Goyer (who is the comic book geek) that took a real world approach.

I think Nolan is more interested in persuing his own movies, and doing other genres.

I think that Christian Bale said he would never play batman again, and I take him at his word. He enjoyed what he did an he wants to move on.

I think that virtually 90% of everything WB leaked regarding this project is pure BS, and I think they are under extreme pressure from their board of directors to come up with their "Avengers". Everyone at WB expected that DKR would be the top grossing movie of 2012, and virtually every box office tracking site picked DKR as the top grosing movie, so when it turns out it wasn't even the 2nd highest grossing movie of 2012, there are some upset people on the board of directors.

There are no creative decisions being made, this is corporate big wigs shoving this down the throat of the creative teams and producers at WB and that's sad.

 

[DigificWriter]

How so?

There's no reason to cast Bale if he's not playing the same Batman, and even less reason why Nolan would agree to do something like this.