Justice League of America has Been Delayed!

[KBX]

Actually, I think it'd be more appropriate to say that it's like Arm'n Hammer doing a solo film and outgrossing the concurrent Bale film.

Even established actors wear out their roles, and can be broken by bad scripts. Bale was great because he was fresh and the writing wasn't crap. But Bale in the role will get old. Connery has proven it!

I have one big problem with Bale in JLA. His version in the Nolan series goes against what a batman would be like in the Justice League. So having Bale in a JLA movie, is like watching Bale act like a whole new character. If that happens than those same people who don't want to see this movie happen, will come and complain about it. Bale works for Nolan, might not work for Miller.

 

[TheVileOne]

God enough of this crap. If Bale can act in a post apocalyptic future as a killer for the government that knows gunkata, if he can act in a world that's been taken over by dragons, and he can be John Connor in a future ruled by Terminators, and BOB DYLAN, then the can freaking play Batman in a Justice League movie.

Geezus Christ you make it sound like Bale doesn't know how to act at all and can't adjust. It's not his fault they were doing a shotgun JL movie.

 

[Tbone]

Those Bond examples are erroneous. For starters . . . both those Bond films blew.

I think you need to check your facts (all of them, including video sales/rentals, tv licensing, etc).

Never say Never bombed because it was compared too heavily to Thunderball, which it was a remake of. But it's still making money 25 years later...

 

[KBX]

God enough of this crap. If Bale can act in a post apocalyptic future as a killer for the government that knows gunkata, if he can act in a world that's been taken over by dragons, and he can be John Connor in a future ruled by Terminators, and BOB DYLAN, then the can freaking play Batman in a Justice League movie.

Geezus Christ you make it sound like Bale doesn't know how to act at all and can't adjust. It's not his fault they were doing a shotgun JL movie.

You are missing the point. This has nothing to do with Bales acting skills. Im sure he can act in a JLA Batman film. But it wont be the one we know from Nolan. Its a whole different verision. By having him in JLA contradicts everyone the Bruce Wayne Christine Bales plays.

 

[Tbone]

You are missing the point. This has nothing to do with Bales acting skills. Im sure he can act in a JLA Batman film. But it wont be the one we know from Nolan. Its a whole different verision. By having him in JLA contradicts everyone the Bruce Wayne Christine Bales plays.

Agreed. It would be different if Miller were making the 3rd Batman film staring Bale -- he'd be forced to keep certain elements from Nolan's universe. But this is a completely different take on the characters, new production crew, director, writers, supporting cast, etc. Sticking Bale in this would completely contradict the Batman franchise because he wouldn't be the same batman. Nevermind his acting abilities... he can act well.

It would be like, alternate universe Batman with the same guy. That's just wrong, and a waste of money (for Bale's salary).

Let Bale grow gracefully in his own franchise and peace out at movie 3 or 4. JL doesn't need him. This isn't a batman movie.

 

[Nicola]

Personally, I want to see unknowns in this film, for the heroes anyway.
I want to see Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman not A-listers in fancy dress.

And I have no problem with seeing two different actors play the same role in two different films. It's the characters I'm going for. Besides, general audiences will see this maybe once at the cinema, rent the DVD. It's genre fans that will go multiple times and buy the collectors DVD and we ARE used to seeing different interpretations of icons and squabbling amongst ourselves which is better.

 

[TheVileOne]

You are missing the point. This has nothing to do with Bales acting skills. Im sure he can act in a JLA Batman film. But it wont be the one we know from Nolan. Its a whole different verision. By having him in JLA contradicts everyone the Bruce Wayne Christine Bales plays.

No it doesn't. Having another Batman the same time as Bale and Nolan's Batman does though.

Clearly there are problems with this KBX otherwise they'd announce the casting already and there wouldn't be all this talk of WB getting cold feet.

THERE IS TROUBLE IN PARADISE AND YOU CAN'T KEEP DENYING IT!

 

[KBX]

Agreed. It would be different if Miller were making the 3rd Batman film staring Bale -- he'd be forced to keep certain elements from Nolan's universe. But this is a completely different take on the characters, new production crew, director, writers, supporting cast, etc. Sticking Bale in this would completely contradict the Batman franchise because he wouldn't be the same batman. Nevermind his acting abilities... he can act well.

It would be like, alternate universe Batman with the same guy. That's just wrong, and a waste of money (for Bale's salary).

Let Bale grow gracefully in his own franchise and peace out at movie 3 or 4. JL doesn't need him. This isn't a batman movie.

Yep. Honestly the last thing I want to see is a realistic JLA movie. I want this movie to have equal lines from its 7 superheroes. If Bales in it, and the money he will command, it will be him in every other scene.

Look, the whole point I want this movie to get made, simply because this IS the last result in ever getting a solo Flash or Green Lantern film made. WB tried those routes and apparently don't think those characters can handle a solo film.

Unlike many, I don't have a problem with unknowns. As long as they do the job, thats all I ask. Having a name doesn't mean he is right in playing a certain character. More money to the effects the better...

 

[buggs0268]

Fact is, she has never come out and said that. So you are just assuming right now.

But fact is, they happened around the same time. And she was lobbying for the role when it was a solo WW movie. But she changed her mind when JLA came along, which was a ensemble piece. And she has already done two ensemble studio pieces that failed.

 

[TheVileOne]

The issue with the casting at this point isn't that they are dealing with unknowns, but mediocre talent, because legit talent doesn't want to do the movie.

 

[KBX]

No it doesn't. Having another Batman the same time as Bale and Nolan's Batman does though.

Clearly there are problems with this KBX otherwise they'd announce the casting already and there wouldn't be all this talk of WB getting cold feet.

THERE IS TROUBLE IN PARADISE AND YOU CAN'T KEEP DENYING IT!

Im not denying anything. The only thing I want is more DC movies. Did I ever say this was going to be easy? no. Heck if the W.B. did not squash Superman Returns sequel for JLA, I would be on that board supporting Routh and Singer for that movie. IF this movie doesn't happen, than its a lose/lose situation. The problems is most likely coming from the shooting script and the budge, with no rewrites. Not the actors, I think they pretty much knows who the actors are.

 

[TheVileOne]

You can believe what you want. I don't see how this is a lose/lose situation if it doesn't happen now.

This movie is NOT going to be cheap and WB is not going to blow $250-300 million on something that isn't a sure thing for something like this.

 

[buggs0268]

The issue with the casting at this point isn't that they are dealing with unknowns, but mediocre talent, because legit talent doesn't want to do the movie.

No it is because of two reasons:

1. They are trying to keep the budget down.

2. Legit talent starts from unknowns. Do you know the crap that Fox got for casting Bruce Willis in Die Hard. He was only a comedy TV actor, and both of his films after he was a hit on Moonlighting, but before Die Hard were major Bombs. Every actor you see was considered no talent at one point. But Silver and McTiernan knew he had star quality. Hell he asked for an outragsous rate for the film that not even Stallone, who as in his hey day at the time, was getting. And they gave it to him. Because this is how studios make future stars.

Michelle Pfeiffer was considered a no talent on her first movie-Grease 2. She was bad in it. Then she was cast in Scarface and people at the time were *****ing that he cast a no talent actess in a remake of Scarface alongside Pacino. Robert Redford was a damn TV actor at one point and a lot of people didn't want to give him a shot at movies.

Everyone starts somewhere and the named actors are getting old and this is hollywoods way of replacing them with tommorrows stars.

 

[KBX]

The issue with the casting at this point isn't that they are dealing with unknowns, but mediocre talent, because legit talent doesn't want to do the movie.

You must be right. Why couldn't they just go get Halle Berry, Ben Affleck, Jenifer Gardner, Eric Bana, Jenifer Connelly, Jessica Alba, Michael Chik. Julian Mchaman? All are very good actors.....

 

[buggs0268]

You must be right. Why couldn't they just go get Halle Berry, Ben Affleck, Jenifer Gardner, Eric Bana, Jenifer Connelly, Jessica Alba, Michael Chik. Julian Mchaman? All are very good actors.....

The Network got crap for casting Halle Berry in a major TV movie becaue she had been in a failed sitcom, and since she was the star, all the blame fell on her. And from that one TV movie she was given starring movie roles.

Juliam Mchaman started out on Charmed in the states.

 

[Tbone]

The issue with the casting at this point isn't that they are dealing with unknowns, but mediocre talent, because legit talent doesn't want to do the movie.

Um... which legit talent are you referring to?

And obviously money is an issue here... you can't stick A-listers in a film like this without a huge upfront salary and a piece of the back-end ... multiply that by every role that gets an "a-list" actor. It makes ZERO business sense.

They want to make more than 1 film, which also means casting young and locking in a feasible rate for the sequels. Bale or any other "established" actor is not going to be cheap.

This isn't Shakespeare -- you can't mess up too badly with the acting here, and if the production value is generally good (good writing, directing, costumes, sets, cinematography, etc), then there is no real issue even if the acting is mediocre.

This movie is about the characters, not Bale or Routh or Tom Welling.

 

[Tbone]

You must be right. Why couldn't they just go get Halle Berry, Ben Affleck, Jenifer Gardner, Eric Bana, Jenifer Connelly, Jessica Alba, Michael Chik. Julian Mchaman? All are very good actors.....

Well put, well put.

 

[LostSon88]

The more I hear about the strike and the JL delays...the more and more i'm confident that this movie will NOT HAPPEN.

 

[TheVileOne]

I'm talking about quality actors not A-listers.

Die Hard does not equal Justice League.

 

[buggs0268]

I'm talking about quality actors not A-listers.

Die Hard does not equal Justice League.

JLA is this years Warners Die Hard to the WB. It is serving the same purpose for the studio in a variety of ways. How do you think [SIZE=-1]Alan Rickman[/SIZE] got cast instead of a known actor. He was an unknown. Willis was the money actor and the rest were the cheap stars to keep the budget low. Hart Bochner was a soap star who had only been in Supergirl at the time. Everyone else was low budget bit actors. Al was a TV actor in that Erkel show. Willis wasn't an A lister at that time. In terms of his film career he was a D-Lister. He just had two major flops. I mean major flops for the studios that financed them and released them. The cowboy one was in and out of theaters in a week. And the one with Kim Bassinger was in and out in a week and a half. The same criticism you are giving the actors mentioned is the exact same criticism that Fox got for casting Willis. They even made jokes about Willis running around without his shirt on when the first preview hit, and why they didnt get Stallone or Arnold for the role. I am telling you, same crap, we just didn't have the internet back then.

And don't get me started on the Keaton for Batman thing. "Why is Mr Mom Batman?"..."They F***ing cast Beetlejuice as Batman? What the hell is Warner Brothers thinking." "You gotta be kidding me. Out of all the actors in Hollywood they picked Michael F***ing Keaton!" The protests was on the radio stations. Before Nickelson was cast people were predicting the movie was going to blow so bad. They had the biggest main in petition to get Keaton of the film. Was bigger than the petition to get cage off as Superman.

 

[Bhoward]

There is a poster over at Singer's S.S blog going by the name of Uncle Bingo. He claims to be an inside guy. He has a couple of posts that are very well written and articulate. He won't divulge who he is of course, but he makes some very valid points, including the majors:

1.JL is not delayed
2. WB is trying to wait out the strike to see if they can nab Welling w/o compensation to Gough and Millar
3. Robert Sanchez is "out of the circle of trust" due to running his mouth too much, so he really doesn't know what's going on.

I may be naive, but the guy sounds legit.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

1983. Octopussy and Never Say never again

Damn, got me there.

But you know what? The fact that you're taking time to post on here and vent says that you'll see the film even if Star Jones were cast as Batman and Lucy Liu as Green Lantern. You're a fan. You'll see it, probably come to like some aspect of it, then come back on here and vent a little about what you didn't like. And the cycle will continue.

You're right, I will see it. But if the film is made with the names we have heard, I just won't pay to watch it.

 

[Webhead2006]

Yea it is just going to be one big waiting game like it has untill we get anything officially from wb. If the film is delayed or canned once its all official to the crew and hired cast they would probably talk saying the film isnt happening now for what ever reason.

 

[Steyin]

There is a simple way to get fans' feeling across to the execs: just don't see this film when its released. Heck, even try to petition to WB to scrap it (but we all know a petition won't do squat really). I have no faith in anything they have planned, nor any desire to see what has been stated as the "story". I feel the route WB is going is a huge slap in the face to fans of the respected characters. I also honestly feel that the WW project failed because higher ups are pushing this more so to cash in quicker. Hell, I could be wrong, I could be right, but it doesn't matter to me. All I know is that I don't support the way this film is being handled and I will not see it if it comes to fruition.

Like others I'd much rather see A Hal Jordan GL film, a Flash film and possible SMR2 before a JLA movie. An Avengers movie won't be out for a long, long time, so there is no need to push this so fast even to compete with Marvel. If WB would just take their time and listen to the fan community, they could have a brilliant-epic-blockbuster box office film, even more so than what they may have now.

 

[Jake Cassidy]

You must be right. Why couldn't they just go get Halle Berry, Ben Affleck, Jenifer Gardner, Eric Bana, Jenifer Connelly, Jessica Alba, Michael Chik. Julian Mchaman? All are very good actors.....

Eric Bana and Jennifer Connelly shouldn't be on that list. Other than that, it was funny.