Justice League of America has Been Delayed!

[TheVileOne]

I don't put much stock into what someone wrote in a friend's myspace page.

Didn't the Australian government claim there were no issues with the tax break incentive? Sounds suspicious to me.

George Miller shouldn't hate on Australian art films. Since those films are what got people like Russell Crowe and Eric Bana in the door and got them noticed for directors for bigger roles. Not to mention a lot of big budget Hollywood movies are trash as well.

If such was the case, the people don't feel comfortable claiming a HUGE tax write-off for something like Justice League instead of cheap, safe art house style movies.

 

[Antonello Blueberry]

I don't put much stock into what someone wrote in a friend's myspace page.

Didn't the Australian government claim there were no issues with the tax break incentive? Sounds suspicious to me.

There were no issues for the 15% tax break probably, there are for the 40%.
I can understand the Australian Government position; this kind of tax rebate are set up to help the local industry, not some big American conglomerate.
It's money out of the Taxes of Australian people.

 

[Webhead2006]

Yea money here money there its always a leading factor effecting things in general.

 

[TheVileOne]

There were no issues for the 15% tax break probably, there are for the 40%.
I can understand the Australian Government position; this kind of tax rebate are set up to help the local industry, not some big American conglomerate.
It's money out of the Taxes of Australian people.

Well what I was basically saying is that George Miller was being an ass about all of this. And his attitude and generalization of art house films was disgusting. Considering Australian art house is where some of Hollywood's biggest stars and award winners got their start.

Local, cheap, art house fair is what the government SHOULD be helping out morseo than big budget studio stuff. The small time filmmakers that are trying to make movies not commercial fare.

 

[explode7]

^You may or may not have a point there.

 

[Webhead2006]

Yea who knows what the deal is.

 

[jmc]

Our new government has already pledged to help the Australian film and television industry which is in dire need of a kick up the arse, our industry has to be thought of first any foremost. The question is probably being asked, is a Hollywood blockbuster masquerading as an Australian film beneficial to our movie/TV industry?

 

[Webhead2006]

yea that is probably the issue, but i wouldnt know anything going down in australia since i am over in new york.

 

[Retroman]

40% is a lot to ask but on the other hand films like Justice League are great for the aussie film industry.Actors/crew gain invaluable experience which is beneficial to their careers in the long run.

Well to Porters credit, he said Brody beat him out for Flash, I don't think he ever said anything about Superman....

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0711/18/scottporter.htm

It was Darth Nata.

He has a good track record.

 

[Webhead2006]

If porter is supes now i would be much happier. Yes he isnt the best person routh or even welling would probably be much better in the role but that isnt going to happen. Porter is a hell of alot better then catrona. He atless has the amercian farmboy charm and looks better for supes then catrona is. Porter probably could pull supes off more then catrona.

 

[Antonello Blueberry]

40% is a lot to ask but on the other hand films like Justice League are great for the aussie film industry.Actors/crew gain invaluable experience which is beneficial to their careers in the long run.

A costly experience. 40% of 200 millions (if they're all spent down under) is 80 million bucks.
You can produce 15 Australian movies with that sum.
Sure, it will help setting up FX production houses and so on, but it's still a truckload of money.
As a comparison, German tax rebate fund is 76 million $ yearly and it's up to 20 % of the budget spent over there, for a maximum of 12,5 million $.

 

[Antonello Blueberry]

If porter is supes now i would be much happier. Yes he isnt the best person routh or even welling would probably be much better in the role but that isnt going to happen. Porter is a hell of alot better then catrona. He atless has the amercian farmboy charm and looks better for supes then catrona is. Porter probably could pull supes off more then catrona.

Why do you keep calling him "catrona"?
It's D.J. Cotrona. You may not like him because he's too short for Superman, but he still deserves respect.

 

[Webhead2006]

sorry i forgot it was o and not a sorry. I have nothing against him as an actor i never seen his work, but for superman role he isnt right for it.

 

[jmc]

A costly experience. 40% of 200 millions (if they're all spent down under) is 80 million bucks.
You can produce 15 Australian movies with that sum.
Sure, it will help setting up FX production houses and so on, but it's still a truckload of money.
As a comparison, German tax rebate fund is 76 million $ yearly and it's up to 20 % of the budget spent over there, for a maximum of 12,5 million $.

Very true, very costly.

 

[Scarlet Spider]

It was Darth Nata.

Yeah, It was Darth Nata.

He said Hugh Keays-Byrne was playing Martian Manhunter last December:

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=13625430&postcount=7349

He also said that the script was nowhere near ready to begin filming in February and everyone working on the film, didn't know if they would have a job past mid January. He was pretty much right about everything.

 

[Webhead2006]

lol yea and did the majority of us believe him, no right lol.

 

[Showtime]

It was Darth Nata.

Wow. Interesting. I read what he said but never saw it until now. I wonder if we went back we would find some more insight into production.

 

[TheVileOne]

40% is a lot to ask but on the other hand films like Justice League are great for the aussie film industry.Actors/crew gain invaluable experience which is beneficial to their careers in the long run.

What about Superman Returns which was shot totally in Australia and cost over $200 million? Did it do any more for the Australian film industry than what Justice League could possibly do?

I think Miller is maybe aware if that the movie does get made and it doesn't shoot in Australia he might not be the director anymore. And considering Miller's background it's rather arrogant of him to bemoan indy, art cinema in that way.

And yes, the Australian film industry should be focused on itself, not Hollywood.

 

[Showtime]

I think you brought up a good point with Miller. They wanted him as the director partly because of his resources and his connections.

 

[The Guard]

Taxes ruin everything.

I think it's amusing that people are surprised the budget is "already" $200 million. I don't think many people realize just how huge a project this is/was shaping up to be.

And, did I read The Major say that he liked the original CAPTAIN AMERICA movie?

 

[TheVileOne]

Taxes ruin everything.

I think it's amusing that people are surprised the budget is "already" $200 million. I don't think many people realize just how huge a project this is/was shaping up to be.

Umm . . . I did. There's no way a project like this is going to be less than $200 million with everything it entails. And looking at the results with Superman Returns, and a budget that probably would've ended up being close to $250 million or more, its no wonder WB put it on indefinite hold.

And, did I read The Major say that he liked the original CAPTAIN AMERICA movie?

Hey there are things I like about the Corman Fantastic Four movie more than the 20th Century Fox crap.

 

[jmc]

What about Superman Returns which was shot totally in Australia and cost over $200 million? Did it do any more for the Australian film industry than what Justice League could possibly do?

Did SR get tax breaks?

 

[TheVileOne]

Did SR get tax breaks?

I'm asking about the Australian film industry in general. Tax breaks aside, this movie was shot and produced on location in Australia. A good number of the crew were Australian. So I'm asking if it achieved no results at all that people are suggesting for Justice League aside of tax breaks.

I say to Miller, people in Australian films should be getting used to and experience with smaller, low budget indy art movies. Those are the movies that really educate you and break your teeth in the business. And sometimes they are even better than most mainstream garbage.

For UT's Burnt Orange Productions, they didn't say, "We're going to give experience to all these film graduates and masters by shooting big budget commercial stuff that tons of people will see!" The idea was to shoot low budget features that would give students in the film programs experience on working on features with legit established talent.

 

[Nicola]

George Miller shouldn't hate on Australian art films. Since those films are what got people like Russell Crowe and Eric Bana in the door and got them noticed for directors for bigger roles. Not to mention a lot of big budget Hollywood movies are trash as well.

If such was the case, the people don't feel comfortable claiming a HUGE tax write-off for something like Justice League instead of cheap, safe art house style movies.

Well what I was basically saying is that George Miller was being an ass about all of this. And his attitude and generalization of art house films was disgusting. Considering Australian art house is where some of Hollywood's biggest stars and award winners got their start.

What about Superman Returns which was shot totally in Australia and cost over $200 million? Did it do any more for the Australian film industry than what Justice League could possibly do?

I think Miller is maybe aware if that the movie does get made and it doesn't shoot in Australia he might not be the director anymore. And considering Miller's background it's rather arrogant of him to bemoan indy, art cinema in that way.

Um, go back and re-read the article http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=14146211&postcount=1934 because at no time does Miller display any kind of negative comment about indie films, art cinema, or the Australian industry.

His description of Australian cinema is dead set accurate. We can only finance small films, even that is a gamble, as the vast majority of the cinema going audience here pays it's money to see big U.S. films.

His gumbles about possibly not being leigable for 40% tax breaks is actually pretty well founded. Apart from maybe a dozen actors and a few top tier crew, Justice League would end up being almost an entirely Australian produced film, using U.S. money. That's actually pretty good for our industry. A lot of money, that we don't have to raise, employing a lot of local talent.

When SR was made here the U.S. dollar bought around 70c Australian. The U.S economy is doing pretty crap internationally right now, currently only buying 93c Aust. A 40% break is the only thing that might keep Australia as an economical option.

We might have more to spend on local films if we didn't give Warner the full tax break but we'd probably loose the project to Canada anyway. That's at whole hell of a lot of money not being spent on our industry. And that would be a shame.

 

[Showtime]

Did SR get tax breaks?

Yes it did.