Kansas City Penguins

[Halcohol]

I'd rather see the return of the Nordiques or the Jets, to be honest. I think any new franchise in Canada would make far more money than a team anywhere new in America.

 

[Badger]

Nice avatar.

Yeah I was going to ask about old hockey teams. A Indian sitting on a horse, perhaps not the best thing for a hockey team.

Thanks

I figured if they went with scouts there would be a design change, maybe give it more of military feel. The Indian on the Horse, isn't exactly pc anymore. Before they decided on Scouts, back in the day, they were going to go with Mohawks. Which was a play on 'Mo' for Missouri and 'hawks' for Jayhawks (for its meaning during the Civil War, not the university), but Chicago Blackhawks shot that down.

 

[Shifty]

I'd rather see the return of the Nordiques or the Jets, to be honest. I think any new franchise in Canada would make far more money than a team anywhere new in America.

Winnipeg, Quebec, and southern Ontario really should have teams. Florida, New Jersey, Nashville, Phoenix and Washington are having trouble but the Devils do have a new arena being built so they aren't going anywhere. The ship still keeps on sinking in Pheonix, they brought in Gretzky as coach, have a beautiful new arena built especially for them but yeah still not working out after the millions the franchise has lost.


After the Penguins, Nashville is the next troubling spot. The owner needs a certain % of attendence or else he loses to much and it opens up a clause where 40% of the team could be bought. And who knows where that goes. But a young Nashville team looks even better than the Penguins since they are ready to win the Cup.

10 Most Overexposed American Cities
http://www.bizjournals.com/specials/2006/0213/sports_overextend/1.html?hbx=slide_sport_article
KC comes in at #5 - which isn't good. Pittsburgh at #4
10 Best Markets for Expansion
http://www.bizjournals.com/specials/2006/0213/sports_expansion/1.html
Only 1 is listed for the NHL, Hartford but Las Vegas could also have NHL

 

[ScottyBBadd]

In fact, the Pens need to just be sold to Mark Cuban...the Pirates too while we're at it.

Just 1 small problem. He co-leases The American Airlines Center with Dallas Stars owner Tom Hicks. If Mark Cuban bought the Pens it would not be to move it to Kansas City, but to the Dallas/Ft.Worth area. Which you would have two NHL teams in the AAC, in adition to an NBA team there. Unless he could have the moved Pens in Ft. Worth. I can't see him doing it.

 

[bored]

So what do my fellow Hypesters think of the possibility of the Pittsburgh Penguins being moved to Kansas City?

As a born and raised Pittsburgh fan it would break my heart to see my beloved Pens go. Ravenstahl needs to make a decent offer that can compete with K.C.'s (Which is admittedly pretty good) to keep them in town. In fact, the Pens need to just be sold to Mark Cuban...the Pirates too while we're at it.

I'm excited by the possibility. KC needs another major-league sports team.

 

[kane9321]

build them a stadium..you cheap s.o.b.s

 

[kane9321]

Wayne Gretzky=greatest of all time

 

[Badger]

Some more bad news for Pittsburg. More details on why the talks on Thursday fell through.

THE NHL
Proposal irks the Penguins​

Team stunned that it would be asked to share development rights and parking revenues.​

The Kansas City Star

The Pittsburgh Penguins may have 10 million reasons to leave Pittsburgh.

According to the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, the Penguins previously agreed to pay $10 million to the Isle of Capri if the casino failed to win a slots license but the team still got a new arena in Pittsburgh.

Isle of Capri had said it would build the Penguins a new arena if its slot-machine application was approved by the Pennsylvania Gaming Commission Board. It was rejected.

The Penguins’ lease at Mellon Arena, the oldest venue in the NHL, expires at the end of June, leaving the franchise free to move. Kansas City is offering a rent-free Sprint Center and a share of the arena’s revenues.

Pittsburgh is trying to keep the team. On Thursday, the Penguins met with Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell and a group of state and local officials, but the meeting soured.

The Post-Gazette reported that the team was shocked that officials proposed that the Penguins share development rights and parking revenues with casino magnate Don Barden, a surprise visitor to the negotiations.

The Post-Gazette said the team saw the proposal as worse than it would get under an extension available next year at Mellon Arena, which would allow rent-free use of the building and give the team control over all building revenues.

But Rendell thought the plan he put forward would limit the Penguins’ contribution to the financing of an arena.

“I believe the offer we put before the Penguins is the best of any offer that’s been made to any NHL team for a new (arena) in recent times and it’s also by far the best of any offer made to any Pennsylvania professional sports team for a new stadium,” Rendell told the Post-Gazette.

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/sports/16510540.htm

 

[Matt]

Just 1 small problem. He co-leases The American Airlines Center with Dallas Stars owner Tom Hicks. If Mark Cuban bought the Pens it would not be to move it to Kansas City, but to the Dallas/Ft.Worth area. Which you would have two NHL teams in the AAC, in adition to an NBA team there. Unless he could have the moved Pens in Ft. Worth. I can't see him doing it.

Cuban a Pittsburgh native has expressed interest in buying the Pens and keeping them in the Burgh. He even made a bid for them over the summer but it apparently wasn't good enough.

 

[Shifty]

Just 1 small problem. He co-leases The American Airlines Center with Dallas Stars owner Tom Hicks. If Mark Cuban bought the Pens it would not be to move it to Kansas City, but to the Dallas/Ft.Worth area. Which you would have two NHL teams in the AAC, in adition to an NBA team there. Unless he could have the moved Pens in Ft. Worth. I can't see him doing it.

The NHL would never allow that. Dallas has had success but they can't support two hockey teams. Toronto or Montreal or Philly could.

 

[Slipknot]

I hope the Penguins stay in Pittsburgh. I always liked Pittsburgh's teams in a way... mostly because all three teams went by the same color scheme. Black and Yellow/Gold.

 

[ScottyBBadd]

The NHL would never allow that. Dallas has had success but they can't support two hockey teams. Toronto or Montreal or Philly could.

That was my point. The only way he could do it in theroy was to move the team to Ft.Worth. However, Ft.Worth does not have an arena big enough. Maybe the Tarrant County Convention Center...maybe. Also, Mark Cuban is tied into a lease with the American Airlines Center. Last point, as you stated the NHL would never go for 2 teams in Dallas. Oklahoma City or Houston are more likely southern cities for the Pens to move to.

 

[Matt]

Again, Cuban is a Pittsburgh native and has already stated he wants to buy the team and keep it in Pittsburgh.

 

[Jan Irisi]

Cower gone...now the Pens may go too......*waits for Pirates to stir things up*

I'm depressed.

 

[Badger]

That was my point. The only way he could do it in theroy was to move the team to Ft.Worth. However, Ft.Worth does not have an arena big enough. Maybe the Tarrant County Convention Center...maybe. Also, Mark Cuban is tied into a lease with the American Airlines Center. Last point, as you stated the NHL would never go for 2 teams in Dallas. Oklahoma City or Houston are more likely southern cities for the Pens to move to.

It's either Pittsburg or Kansas City, the owners of the Penguins have already stated this. Of course they would need league approval, which right now is Pittsburgs best hope.

Anyone see Mario talking about this whole thing at the All-Star Game? I didn't see it, but heard he went off on the Pittsburg officials.

 

[ang_hulk]

pittsburghs about an hour from me,Ive never seen a hockey game before and im not really a fan but I know some people who would be upset by it but hokeys not what it used to be anyways so i dont really mind.

 

[Shifty]

pittsburghs about an hour from me,Ive never seen a hockey game before and im not really a fan but I know some people who would be upset by it but hokeys not what it used to be anyways so i dont really mind.

And what era are you comparing to it? Hockey is much better with the younger players and new rules. It needs improvement but the games are better.

 

[Halcohol]

pittsburghs about an hour from me,Ive never seen a hockey game before and im not really a fan but I know some people who would be upset by it but hokeys not what it used to be anyways so i dont really mind.

How do you know it's not what it used to be when you've never seen a game?

 

[Badger]

pittsburghs about an hour from me,Ive never seen a hockey game before and im not really a fan but I know some people who would be upset by it but hokeys not what it used to be anyways so i dont really mind.

 

[TheAlmightyFuzz]

I live in Kansas City, and back when we had the IHL nobody ever really went to see the Blades play. So having the Penguins move here, is just going to be a waste of money. Trust me, this is a pure football, baseball town.
Why they think we need the team, is beyond me. I know a lot of people around here that think it's just a dumb idea.

And yes, the name sounds pretty ******ed too.

I used to go see the Blades all the time. Kemper is awful, btw, it reminds me of that rig from "The Abyss".

Call it the Kansas City Totos

I'm sick of crap like this, I have to explain it to people every time I say "Kansas City". When someone says "Kansas City", they're usually referring to Missouri and not Kansas. If you can't see the difference, I implore you and everyone else to look at the downtowns of each city and the citys in general.

Matt, Lemieux= great player but no way is he the best of all time, sorry.

I'd love for the Scouts name to come back. I'd love even more for them to carry on the monarchy names but that might be difficult. Chiefs, Kings(Sacramento now),Royals, Monarchs(negro leagues), it'd be nice.

 

[Badger]

I used to go see the Blades all the time. Kemper is awful, btw, it reminds me of that rig from "The Abyss".

Yeah I used to go all the time, and Kemper is horrible and in a **** part of the city.

The Sprint Center alrighty looks awesome, looking down on I-70, and it's only about 10-20% complete.

I'd love for the Scouts name to come back. I'd love even more for them to carry on the monarchy names but that might be difficult. Chiefs, Kings(Sacramento now),Royals, Monarchs(negro leagues), it'd be nice.

Scouts seems more and more unlikely because of the whole 'political correctness' thing, but I never thought of 'Monarchs'. That might be a good choice, since that has a lot of meaning in KC.

 

[Shifty]

It's either Pittsburg or Kansas City, the owners of the Penguins have already stated this. Of course they would need league approval, which right now is Pittsburgs best hope.

Anyone see Mario talking about this whole thing at the All-Star Game? I didn't see it, but heard he went off on the Pittsburg officials.

NHL Rumors

Penguins to visit Houston

Tuesday, Jan 23, 2007 1:25 pm EST

Most NHL team officials are in Dallas for Wednesday's All-Star game. According to rumors that have surfaced this week, the Pittsburgh Penguins contigent may detour to Houston in the near future.

Arena talks in Pittsburgh have reportedly bogged down, and while the Penguins have an offer on the table from Kansas City officials, they appear open to visiting more cities.

Owner Mario Lemieux is expected to visit the Toyota Center this week.

Source: Houston Chronicle


It makes sense to visit cities and see what they have to offer. Houston is the fourth largest American market. He should also check out Las Vegas, Portland and Winnipeg.

The latest rumour on NHL expansion is that the expansion fee would be $200 million. So I don't know if people in Kansas or in most markets have pockets that deep for an NHL franchise.

 

[Badger]

Yeah saw an article on that after my post. Houston certainly has a bigger market and the Toyota Center is a nice arena. But it will be hard for them to give the Penguins the same package as KC. The KC package basically makes it impossible for them to lose money.

At any rate, I don't think they're leaving Pittsburgh. The NHL has said they'd wouldn't approve a move untill all avenues are explored with Pittsburgh.

As far as an expansion cost; there is/was a guy in NYC (can't remember his name) whose family owns the major cab company, he has expressed interest in bringing either the NHL or NBA to the Sprint Center. Don't know if that's still a possibility. More than likely an investor(s) will come foward outside of the KC area.

 

[Badger]

Not looking good for KC, Penquins more and more likely to stay put.

PITTSBURGH -- After talking with a co-owner of the Penguins, Gov. Ed Rendell is optimistic that a new arena agreement can be reached to keep the team in Pittsburgh.

In a phone conversation Tuesday night, Rendell and co-owner Ron Burkle discussed some of the arena issues that needed to be clarified and agreed to work on them. The governor said he expects to speak with Burkle again early next week, but no new negotiating sessions are scheduled.

This followed several days of exchanges between the governor and Mario Lemieux, the Penguins chairman and former star player.

"We want to reach an agreement. We think we're getting closer," Rendell said Wednesday. "We're hopeful."

Burkle is also talking with Pittsburgh mayor Luke Ravenstahl and Allegheny County chief executive Dan Onorato.

At the NHL All-Star Game in Dallas this week, Lemieux said the time was drawing near for the Penguins to decide whether to stay or to relocate -- possibly to Kansas City. Team executives also are considering a visit to Houston, the largest U.S. city without an NHL team.

Lemieux said last week's negotiating session with Rendell, county and city leaders took a step backward because of a request the team share revenues from a redevelopment of the Mellon Arena site with casino operator Don Barden.

Barden was chosen last month by the state gaming board to build the only slots machine parlor license granted in Pittsburgh. Barden has agreed to contribute $7.5 million per year toward a new arena, but also wants to redevelop the area around Mellon Arena, where the Penguins have played since 1967.

Rendell said the state can "tweak this a little bit," in reference to the arena deal -- meaning further concessions could be offered.

On Tuesday, Rendell said the proposal already was the best given any of Pennsylvania's seven major pro sports teams, and he threatened to take it to the NHL's board of governors if the Penguins attempted to move.

"Remember, when commissioner [Gary] Bettman came to Pittsburgh, he said loud and clear that if an offer on a stadium was a good offer, given the strength of the fan base here, that they wouldn't move," Rendell said.

During a Nov. 28 meeting with Ravenstahl and Onorato, Bettman said, "We all agreed it's important for the Penguins to stay in Pittsburgh and that's what we all want."

The Penguins are the only Pennsylvania major pro sports team playing in an arena or stadium that is more than 10 years old. Mellon Arena was built in 1961.

Copyright 2007 by The Associated Press

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[Badger]

But then I read this. I'm so ****ing confused.

Bloggin' from the All-Star Game

An announcement from commissioner Gary Bettman between periods that the Penguins are moving to Kansas City. Be afraid Pittsburghers. We (Kansas Citians) are coming for you. We have a shiny new arena, all the suites are sold and the Penguins have been offered free rent. You've had seven years, Pittsburgh, to build your team a new arena. That trash can you call Mellon Arena is a disgrace. Crosby deserves more. We're ready, willing and able to pay those NHL ticket prices.

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