Kanye finally snapped!

[Teelie]

Has this really devolved into the many meanings of the word Nigg** and when it can and can't be used?

If you have to ask, then you shouldn't be voicing an opinion here. Just my thought on the matter. Not aimed towards any one individual.

I was pointing out how flawed it is to say it's okay to call someone else a racist term if you're the same race. Or in the case of sexism, calling someone a sexist term.

That should never be okay but because it's often seen as "taking it back" it gets a pass. Allowing a word to be at the same time unerringly racist and a friendly communication is the biggest contradiction I can think of in language.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

They call each other that all the time. So that's okay? I remember a line in the movie Mean Girls when Tina Fey's character is talking to the gym full of girls and saying that girls calling each other sl*ts and w*hores just makes it okay for guys to call them that. This runs along the same line. None of these words should ever be used to describe someone, but that means that we have to stop calling each other those names so other people don't think it's okay for them to say it.


That being said, what about all the other words that are frequently said and no one gets the crap kicked out of them for it (like f*g, *unt, and so on)? If the kid threatened Kim, then yeah, there's a case to be made. But, he didn't (allegedly, he did. According to Kim anyways ). He shouted something stupid and offensive. That happens all the time. Kanye should have just moved on from it. The word is clearly wrong, but it and others are said every day and people don't give in to that crap.

The N-word changes context when blacks use it. It is no longer "you're the lowest of the human race" instead it becomes "we're considered the lowest but we share the same struggle".

Blacks should be allowed to redirect a word. Especially if the word is aimed at hurting them as a race.

The very idea that blacks are too dumb to actually alter the context of a slur, that we need whites to tell us we can't use that slur because we're too dumb to change the context, and that it's unfair whites can't use it because they don't believe we're smart enough to use it in a different context is highly offensive.

We know what we're doing and even if we didn't it isn't the white man's place to determine how the intended targets of the slur decide to use that slur themselves.

 

[Teelie]

Wow, who said black people were too dumb to know the context of the word and whites were "jealous" of not using it? That's all on your interpetation.

I don't think you know just what you are saying, and I didn't know it should be said that black people are about as unified as any other race in anything.

Clearly whatever your line of thinking is it's not one I'm going to continue arguing with.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Just to clarify, this is basically how blacks are using the N-word.

Now imagine if the bully said his victims couldn't use his insult in a different context.

 

[regwec]

You know, it occurs to me that I have never heard anybody use the word in anger.

I remember my grandfather once described, in amazement, his new doctor as "a beautiful negress". It sounded like a word from another century.

 

[Teelie]

You know, it occurs to me that I have never heard anybody use the word in anger.

I remember my grandfather once described, in amazement, his new doctor as "a beautiful negress". It sounded like a word from another century.

Outside of movies, the only people I've heard use it are black boys/teens (and occasionally men, but mostly boys or teens) referring to one another.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Wow, who said black people were too dumb to know the context of the word and whites were "jealous" of not using it? That's all on your interpetation.

I don't think you know just what you are saying, and I didn't know it should be said that black people are about as unified as any other race in anything.

Clearly whatever your line of thinking is it's not one I'm going to continue arguing with.

I'm fine with that.

 

[NickNitro]

You know, it occurs to me that I have never heard anybody use the word in anger.

I remember my grandfather once described, in amazement, his new doctor as "a beautiful negress". It sounded like a word from another century.

My grandfather once said...to my disgust....he doesn't watch basketball anymore because he doesn't want to see a bunch of "porch monkey's" run up and down a court......but I have never heard him use the N word...but I'm sure he has.

 

[regwec]

In defence of my grandfather, he meant it in the most complimentary terms. He just reached back into the lexicon of his Victorian parents to find a completely inappropriate word.

 

[Golgo-13]

Kanye is a moron and lets face it, he only did what he did because he's filthy rich and he knows stars rarely if ever go to jail. The kid will make a nice chunk of change out of this although he will have to carry the burden of being beaten up by one of the softest rappers ever.

It all seems like a set up that the two idiots fell for, I mean if you are gonna pick a target for this trap these two are prime options, I doubt anyone thought of pulling this move with 50 Cent lol.

Yep, and this opens up the door for other people looking for a quick pay day. Like i mentioned, these two -Kim and Kayne- should have known better than to take the bait.

 

[charl_huntress]

The interesting thing is the insult was directed at Kim. It was a direct insult to her. I doubt she had ever been called that outright to her face before... Yet, it's been insinuated (indirectly) by both the black and white media that she's into black guys and that she's built her fame on that to a degree.

The fact she encouraged/reported the incident to Kanye is what I find the most interesting about all this. She had the power to let it go, and could have not said anything to him, but she was offended enough to involve her man... Now it's a big publicity event... Just saying...

Again, I just have a lot skepticism about all the parties involved here, but frankly all I can add to the other part of discussion is I have never been called a "******" by any white person, but I have been called a "black *****" by a white girl before, and I promptly whooped her ass. So I can't throw any stones at Kanye in this matter.

 

[regwec]

The whole incident was pathetic, in my opinion. Everyone involved comes off as a silly child.

 

[Hal_Jordan]

I sincerely wonder how things would have gone differently if the kid who yelled at Kim would have been a pretty big, muscular teen instead of the relatively small looking teen in the picture.

Would she have even told Kanye?
Would they have shown up with security guards?
Would Kanye have still attacked him, or just yelled at him?

Also, what happens when the A-hole actually is bigger/better fighter than you when you go to "defend your honor/teach him a lesson?"

 

[Feenix]

Given how some people are defending Kanye for his use of violence, I'm curious as to whether these same people would defend a white celebrity if he beat up a black kid who shouted insults and slurs at him.

Like if Neil Patrick Harris would kick the crap out of someone if they made derogatory remarks about him being gay.

 

[roach]

No one was in the right in this story.
The kid was stupid for saying what he said.
Kim should be used to people talking about her and didn't need to call Kanye
Kanye should know people are looking for a reason to hate him and he shouldn't add to it.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Given how some people are defending Kanye for his use of violence, I'm curious as to whether these same people would defend a white celebrity if he beat up a black kid who shouted insults and slurs at him.

Like if Neil Patrick Harris would kick the crap out of someone if they made derogatory remarks about him being gay.

What if Kanye called a white man a cracker and got beat down.

Would as many people say the violence was uncalled for?

I doubt it. The white dude would probably be a national hero of sorts.

 

[moviedoors]

What if Kanye called a white man a cracker and got beat down.

Would as many people say the violence was uncalled for?

I doubt it. The white dude would probably be a national hero of sorts.

I don't like Kayne as a person, but that wouldn't make the white man right in that scenario either.

 

[roach]

What if Kanye called a white man a cracker and got beat down.

Would as many people say the violence was uncalled for?

I doubt it. The white dude would probably be a national hero of sorts.

anyone resorting to violence is wrong.

 

[Hal_Jordan]

What if Kanye called a white man a cracker and got beat down.

Would as many people say the violence was uncalled for?

I doubt it. The white dude would probably be a national hero of sorts.

Are you serious? Seriously?

I guess it would apparently be ok since you can actually type cracker without having to sensor the word like you have to do with ni*****

Cracker goes with all the other words that are ok to ignore, but the N word, oh no, not that one. Gotta fight when that one is hurled.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Are you serious? Seriously?

I guess it would apparently be ok since you can actually type cracker without having to sensor the word like you have to do with ni*****

Cracker goes with all the other words that are ok to ignore, but the N word, oh no, not that one.

A few people used the word full word cracker, I'm not sure why I'm being singled out. I did consider using the term "the c-word" but that is not a commonly used reference and people may not know which slur I was referring to.

But what historically gives "the C-word" just as much weight as the N-word?

Seriously.

 

[Feenix]

What if Kanye called a white man a cracker and got beat down.

Would as many people say the violence was uncalled for?

I doubt it. The white dude would probably be a national hero of sorts.

People would say the violence is uncalled for. That's ridiculous.

For you to even suggest that makes me think that you're in favor of reverse racism.

 

[Hal_Jordan]

A few people used the word full word cracker, I'm not sure why I'm being singled out. I did consider using the term "the c-word" but that is not a commonreferencely used reference and people may not know which slur I was referring to.

But what historically gives "the C-word" just as much weight as the N-word?

Seriously.

What gives any word power over you?

 

[Feenix]

A few people used the word full word cracker, I'm not sure why I'm being singled out. I did consider using "the c-word" but that is not a common term and people may not know which slur I was referring to.

But what historically gives "the C-word" just as much weight as the N-word?

Seriously.

Does it matter? An insult is an insult. Just because you aren't personally offended by the word c***, doesn't mean no one else is offended.

The point is, everyone gets offended by different words and that violence is not the best response to them. Blacks aren't allowed to beat people up if they're called the n-word, just like women aren't allowed to beat anyone up if they're called a c***, and so on. If we let some people use violence because they get insulted, we have to let everyone else.

For the record, I'm not talking about bullying or harassment. That's a different story. I'm referring to instances like this where someone shouts something in passing.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

anyone resorting to violence is wrong.

Of course most people feel that way when Kanye is the fighter.

Suddenly everyone turns into Ghandi.

 

[roach]

Of course most people feel that way when Kanye is the fighter.

Suddenly everyone turns into Ghandi.

Anyone in that situation is wrong. I am a black man and I have been called the N-word to my face. I chose to not allow that person to get me wound up.