The Dark Knight Rises Killer Croc

[Punisher Rising]

It doesn't really matter to me who it is as long as they have a good grasp and vision of the character, and are drawing from the source material.

 

[KalMart]

But I think that certain directors are better suited to that than others, or that it's more along the lines of their artistic sensibilities than with others. I'd rather see someone who is more akin to that...and actually wants to do that...do it, and keep that style consistent throughout from beginning to end. I guess for me, it's more about the film than it is about the comics as well....just as it would be with adapting a novel or what have you...as long as it works as well as it can within the framework of that cinematic presentation, it more than justifies the reinterpretation.

Obviously, I'm not saying that anyone shouldn't want what you want in and of itself...seeing what you want to see. But to ask a filmmaker to change like that is really to ask him not to be the filmmaker he is, especially one who's doing something as unique as Nolan. So in this case, I think there's more value to the films in maintaining that stylistic consistency, despite how it contradicts with or precludes some elements of the source material.

 

[Punisher Rising]

I still think it'd be intriguing for Nolan to allow some fantastical elements of Batman's world into his vision for the character. I'm sure he'd do a great job creating a TAS-style world for his Batman films.

 

[KalMart]

I still think it'd be intriguing for Nolan to allow some fantastical elements of Batman's world into his vision for the character. I'm sure he'd do a great job creating a TAS-style world for his Batman films.

He probably could, but I don't think he'd do it as adeptly or uniquely as the one he's been creating so far. Otherwise, he probably would have done it from the start.

 

[Punisher Rising]

To be fair, we are still very early in the series with his vision of it. Who's to say he may not decide to mix things up a bit with some fantasy aspects if he's still onboard.

 

[KalMart]

To be fair, we are still very early in the series with his vision of it. Who's to say he may not decide to mix things up a bit with some fantasy aspects if he's still onboard.

What do you mean early? He's got one more film left to close this whole version out...at least I hope it's only one more. This doesn't need to be an ongoing, 4-6 movie series...better to do it in three as a trilogy, close it out, and move on....and eventually start up another version. Whatever villains or characters didn't make it into these movies could be strong considerations for the newer version. All the more reason for Nolan not to change his style. If these keep going after three, never mind the 'realism' getting long in tooth...this Batman continuity will. No, best to wrap it up nice and tidy then move on. They should be more than enough to represent their place/era in cinema. They already are, anyway, even with just two.

 

[Rodrigo90]

I would like to see Croc with that disease, rather than a humanoid monster. Ive never liked writers and artists making him a walking,talking Crocodile...its just too silly. Im not saying Im not a fan of Croc,but it just goes too far sometimes. I loved the Joker GN interpretation. Why cant Nolan make him like that,then another director can do what they want? A 6'5 African/American cannibal who suffers from a skin disorder isnt too hard to do is it?

 

[Punisher Rising]

What do you mean early? He's got one more film left to close this whole version out...at least I hope it's only one more. This doesn't need to be an ongoing, 4-6 movie series...better to do it in three as a trilogy, close it out, and move on....and eventually start up another version. Whatever villains or characters didn't make it into these movies could be strong considerations for the newer version. All the more reason for Nolan not to change his style. If these keep going after three, never mind the 'realism' getting long in tooth...this Batman continuity will. No, best to wrap it up nice and tidy then move on. They should be more than enough to represent their place/era in cinema. They already are, anyway, even with just two.

We don't know what the future holds for Nolan's Batman series past the third film. I definitely would like to see him return or at least for his vision to remain the one for the next set of films after he's done with the series. He created a great new world for Batman onscreen and I hope it remains for a good while.

 

[Rodrigo90]

Just get Michael Clarke Duncan for Croc. I dont care if he played Kingpin,he is just too good to pass up.

 

[KalMart]

We don't know what the future holds for Nolan's Batman series past the third film. I definitely would like to see him return or at least for his vision to remain the one for the next set of films after he's done with the series. He created a great new world for Batman onscreen and I hope it remains for a good while.

I sincerely hope they wrap things up with the next film. Not because I don't like it, but it'll be time for something else. The fewer the installments, the more precious movies are when they're good.

 

[Punisher Rising]

I respectfully disagree about that although I do understand where you're coming from on it. But I think one thing we can agree on is that the third outing should definitely be a special movie just as great as both BB and TDK, and if the possible finale, then one with great closure.

 

[Mr. Earle]

I dont get this logic.
Its almost like you re saying that they shouldnt make any movies because they might fail.

 

[KalMart]

I dont get this logic.
Its almost like you re saying that they shouldnt make any movies because they might fail.

It's not that so much as three movies is more than enough for an era for the most part. And it's a long time for the key creative people involved, as well....we're talking close to nine years when all's said and done. When movies like this really stand out as unique, their vision should remain singular instead of continuing on through different creators. Yes, that's what comics do, but these are movies based on the comics, and they're not treated as episodically or infinitely. You make them by trying to select the best of what you feel you can and condense them into two-hour pieces that represent something big, and you generally don't leave much in the tank when you're done. Also, the movie stories aren't really treated as day-in-the-life....it's more like trying to wrap the entire life of it into those few sections, at least as far as that storyteller/filmmaker is concerned. So that's the overall arc, and three movies is naturally a comfortable space to complete it in. Plus...if we're talking about a couple more movies after the third...Bale will be pushing 50, and Caine and Freeman may not be around anymore.

I'm not saying there should never be any more Batman movies, but let Nolan finish his version out tidily, and let someone else start up their own version for the next go-round. Obviously, there's financial incentives to keep going, but that's really all it comes down to, as the main narrative thrust is already spent, and why so many movies take a creative nosedive after two or three. I do think less is more in this case, again making these films more precious...even though they're based on an ongoing, ever-evolving story.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Plus...if we're talking about a couple more movies after the third...Bale will be pushing 50, and Caine and Freeman may not be around anymore.

Ok, first of all i never said they should keep the same cast and creative team. They could replace them and keep the continuity going.

You make them by trying to select the best of what you feel you can and condense them into two-hour pieces that represent something big, and you generally don't leave much in the tank when you're done.

Do you honestly think that Nolan has covered most of the mythos so there isnt anywhere else to take the character? Like introduce Catwoman, Robin or the rest 90% of his rogues gallery? They really have nowhere else to take him so they should start with a new project? Well i'd like them to keep it going and cover the rest of Bruce's life following the comics canon as much as they can. There are tons of good stories left to be told.

Also, the movie stories aren't really treated as day-in-the-life....it's more like trying to wrap the entire life of it into those few sections, at least as far as that storyteller/filmmaker is concerned. So that's the overall arc, and three movies is naturally a comfortable space to complete it in.

Up until now, Nolan has covered only the first year in Batman's career. But by your logic, every franchise should be a trilogy and thus Nolan must show us the rest of Bruce's life in the one film remaining in the trilogy.

Obviously, there's financial incentives to keep going, but that's really all it comes down to, as the main narrative thrust is already spent, and why so many movies take a creative nosedive after two or three. I do think less is more in this case, again making these films more precious...even though they're based on an ongoing, ever-evolving story.

You can choose to stay away and keep watching your precious classic DVD collection over and over and over. I want to see the rest of Bruce Wayne's life, and hey, if one of the sequels is bad, i'll ignore it. Its not the end of the world, the next one will be better. Look at Spiderman. 3 was bad, but if the 4th, 5th, etc are good why not go see them? Because they might take a nosedive from how good 1 and 2 were? Who cares? I wanna see what goes on next in Peter's life, not another Peter handling the same situations, the same villains, the same MJ, only just a bit differently so they can make new movies.

it's more like trying to wrap the entire life of it into those few sections, at least as far as that storyteller/filmmaker is concerned

Then DC should lay down a vague continuity which the director must follow. He can do his thing, but he should stay on the line that DC has set. And if he ever leaves the franchise someone else can pick it up. Isnt that what they do in comics? Isnt that what almost happened with Spiderman 4 before the original team decided to come back?

When movies like this really stand out as unique, their vision should remain singular instead of continuing on through different creators. Yes, that's what comics do,

So do you mind if another director picks it up from where Nolan leaves it at the end of B3 and keeps the story going? Will it nullify Nolan's achievement?
Yeah the comics work like that, but they work like that for decades. If you've been there when it all started you would have said the same thing for them as well.
"No guys, dont start a batman continuity! Write one off stories because if you do a continuity some of it might suck."

 

[Rodrigo90]

Apologies to everyone who liked Joker, but that was one of the worst pieces of crap I've ever read. Azzarello is a terrible, one-note Frank Miller wannabe and I don't care for Bermejo's style.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Apologies to everyone who liked Joker, but that was one of the worst pieces of crap I've ever read. Azzarello is a terrible, one-note Frank Miller wannabe and I don't care for Bermejo's style.

I was bored to death. I didnt like that book besides how it presented batman like a wraith over gotham.

 

[Rodrigo90]

I was bored to death. I didnt like that book besides how it presented batman like a wraith over gotham.

Mr. Earle not you too?

TBH. When I first read it,I was horrified. Especially the part with that guy getting skinned alive. Although I liked it,I dont prefer the interpretations that much...did you see the Riddler? What the hell?

 

[KalMart]

Ok, first of all i never said they should keep the same cast and creative team. They could replace them and keep the continuity going.
Do you honestly think that Nolan has covered most of the mythos so there isnt anywhere else to take the character? Like introduce Catwoman, Robin or the rest 90% of his rogues gallery? They really have nowhere else to take him so they should start with a new project? Well i'd like them to keep it going and cover the rest of Bruce's life following the comics canon as much as they can. There are tons of good stories left to be told.
Up until now, Nolan has covered only the first year in Batman's career. But by your logic, every franchise should be a trilogy and thus Nolan must show us the rest of Bruce's life in the one film remaining in the trilogy.
You can choose to stay away and keep watching your precious classic DVD collection over and over and over. I want to see the rest of Bruce Wayne's life, and hey, if one of the sequels is bad, i'll ignore it. Its not the end of the world, the next one will be better. Look at Spiderman. 3 was bad, but if the 4th, 5th, etc are good why not go see them? Because they might take a nosedive from how good 1 and 2 were? Who cares? I wanna see what goes on next in Peter's life, not another Peter handling the same situations, the same villains, the same MJ, only just a bit differently so they can make new movies.
Then DC should lay down a vague continuity which the director must follow. He can do his thing, but he should stay on the line that DC has set. And if he ever leaves the franchise someone else can pick it up. Isnt that what they do in comics? Isnt that what almost happened with Spiderman 4 before the original team decided to come back?

So do you mind if another director picks it up from where Nolan leaves it at the end of B3 and keeps the story going? Will it nullify Nolan's achievement?
Yeah the comics work like that, but they work like that for decades. If you've been there when it all started you would have said the same thing for them as well.
"No guys, dont start a batman continuity! Write one off stories because if you do a continuity some of it might suck."

I had an itemized response, but the server froze up as it was posting, so I don't want to try and go through it again.

I understand how you feel, and I'm not saying your wrong for feeling that way. But movies have their own nature and dynamics, even if they're based on something that's ongoing and periodical. It's not by chance that series' tend to take a nosedive past around #3. It's not that there's nothing left to cover, but no set of movies has to keep going until it covers everything. They're condensed represntations that choose what they can use for the story they're telling, and there's so much time/effort/money put into such little ultimate screentime...that there is an element of 'emptying the tanks' and burning bright but not long. That's what makes films precious when they're really good, even when they leave some things out. Their quality stands out better.

Plus, I'd like to see a completely different take on the continuity and everything else from a different filmmaker, and free him up to take it where he wants to, instead of addressing a thread of preexisting continuity that he has to hold onto. Superman should have done it instead of what SR did, BB did it after the Burton/Shumacher ones. Not just because the older ones went bad, but it's good to refresh in an new generation.

 

[TheBatman072]

Mr. Earle not you too?

TBH. When I first read it,I was horrified. Especially the part with that guy getting skinned alive. Although I liked it,I dont prefer the interpretations that much...did you see the Riddler? What the hell?

The Riddler made sense if you think about it.

He's obviously been like that for a very long time. What better way to get a leg up in a place like gotham than to counter your weakness with a strength?

If you can't beat them, outsmart them. He knew he'd never be the strongest, so he decided to become the smartest.

It's brilliant.

 

[Rodrigo90]

The Riddler made sense if you think about it.

He's obviously been like that for a very long time. What better way to get a leg up in a place like gotham than to counter your weakness with a strength?

If you can't beat them, outsmart them. He knew he'd never be the strongest, so he decided to become the smartest.

It's brilliant.

Good point.

 

[TheBatman072]

Good point.

Thanks. I've read that book dozens of times. Love it.

 

[Mr. Earle]

I had an itemized response, but the server froze up as it was posting, so I don't want to try and go through it again.

It has happened to me as well. My rage almost turned me into the Hulk...

Plus, I'd like to see a completely different take on the continuity and everything else from a different filmmaker, and free him up to take it where he wants to, instead of addressing a thread of preexisting continuity that he has to hold onto. Superman should have done it instead of what SR did, BB did it after the Burton/Shumacher ones. Not just because the older ones went bad, but it's good to refresh in an new generation.

I understand your position but i feel its too early for a refresh. We ve had a great origin and first year in the life of batman and i would like to see him progress and mature instead of giving the franchise to other directors so that they can give it their spin.
Its not that i want Nolan, on the contrary i feel that his vision is very restrictive, but he's done a great job restarting the franchise so i'd like to see the story going and expanding into new territory.

 

[Punisher Rising]

I understand your position but i feel its too early for a refresh. We ve had a great origin and first year in the life of batman and i would like to see him progress and mature instead of giving the franchise to other directors so that they can give it their spin.
Its not that i want Nolan, on the contrary i feel that his vision is very restrictive, but he's done a great job restarting the franchise so i'd like to see the story going and expanding into new territory.

I feel very closely to that.

 

[KalMart]

It has happened to me as well. My rage almost turned me into the Hulk...
I understand your position but i feel its too early for a refresh. We ve had a great origin and first year in the life of batman and i would like to see him progress and mature instead of giving the franchise to other directors so that they can give it their spin.

I think by TDK, the way the stories are told feel like we are right in the middle and not still in the beginning, so it's only natural to have a third act and close that version of the story/continuity out, even if it doesn't get to a lot of other characters and such.

Its not that i want Nolan, on the contrary i feel that his vision is very restrictive, but he's done a great job restarting the franchise so i'd like to see the story going and expanding into new territory.

I also think it'd be too early, and they should wait several years after the third movie is done. Obviously, some comic fans would like a movie every 2-3 years and not stop for any time at three, etc.. Maybe a new TV series would be better suited for that.

 

[Mr. Earle]

I think by TDK, the way the stories are told feel like we are right in the middle and not still in the beginning, so it's only natural to have a third act and close that version of the story/continuity out, even if it doesn't get to a lot of other characters and such.

How can it feel like its right in the middle when its only Batman's first year? All those plot lines explore how the city would react to his appearence and how he is handling things as an inexperienced vigilante. How in the world is that in the middle of the story?

I also think it'd be too early, and they should wait several years after the third movie is done. Obviously, some comic fans would like a movie every 2-3 years and not stop for any time at three, etc.. Maybe a new TV series would be better suited for that.

Why? People love batman and nolan and they want more. Its usually 3-4 years between each film so the audience isnt oversaturated with Batman. So what is your problem man? Let the rest of us enjoy our batman and watch the movies whenever you are ready.