The Dark Knight Known similarities between TDK and Batman '89

[turtlefocker]

Whoa whoa whoa! Turtle PLEASE explain the Batman and Robin love? You really thought that film was good?

I think that it is a visually stunning film with vibrant cinematography. It is the only film to show Arkham Asylum the way it is meant to be. I liked the 'family' sub-plot and Clooney made a good Wayne in my opinion (he's got the playboy charm and is a good 'father-figure' to dick). The scene between Bruce and Alfred about 'Control' was excellent. Oh and the score for B&R was fabulous.

The movie isn't perfect but it's fun and has more control over its tone than BF did.

I still rate BB and BR higher than it but I think it is better than B89 so go ahead and crucify me



Oh and the whole nipple thing doesn't bother me... I didn't even notice them really until I came to the "internets"

 

[bkey]

I think that it is a visually stunning film with vibrant cinematography. It is the only film to show Arkham Asylum the way it is meant to be. I liked the 'family' sub-plot and Clooney made a good Wayne in my opinion (he's got the playboy charm and is a good 'father-figure' to dick). The scene between Bruce and Alfred about 'Control' was excellent. Oh and the score for B&R was fabulous.

The movie isn't perfect but it's fun and has more control over its tone than BF did.

I still rate BB and BR higher than it but I think it is better than B89 so go ahead and crucify me



Oh and the whole nipple thing doesn't bother me... I didn't even notice them really until I came to the "internets"

Do you think BF is the worst?

 

[Mr. Earle]

Oh and the whole nipple thing doesn't bother me... I didn't even notice them really until I came to the "internets"

I second this.

 

[turtlefocker]

Do you think BF is the worst?

Yea, its at the bottom of my list. Don't get me wrong though, as a Batman fan, I still like it somewhat.

 

[JackBauer24]

Both films will outgross Indiana Jones.

 

[zmystico]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I respect that, but I just saw very little to like in B&R or BF, both made Batman more comical and cartoonish. The Batmobile driving up the wall, the neon glow, the one-seater Batmobile, plus I think Gotham as a whole seemed so unrealistic and fake in B&R...I guess they weren't going for realism like Nolan is, but c'mon the whole city looked like it came straight from a comic book.

 

[TH3D4RKKN1GH7]

Yeah I felt it was a bit over stylized, too many colors too. Gotham looked like Time Square on New Years Eve. The cinematography was great and I didnt mind Uma Thurman. Batman and Robin ice skates...FAIL!

 

[Caladbolg]

While I dont prefer this approach, Batman Forever felt far more coherent than BnR imo. imo BnR just made NO sense at all. Both were like a "cirque de soleil on crack" cartoon, but no love for BnR.

 

[Texas Zombie]

Without all four previous batman movies we would not be here. It's like saying the original punisher didn't affect the way they made PUN 04'.

 

[slave2catwoman]

What is this obsession with writing in a girlfriend who knows the hero's identity and is involved with both areas of his life? Will we ever put this tires cliche' to rest?

 

[turtlefocker]

c'mon the whole city looked like it came straight from a comic book.

yea that's terrible...

 

[CaptainBeaver91]

Well...Batman and Robin was the definitive film in terms of representing the silver age of Batman.

Go ahead and rip that apart.

 

[milan22]

This is real easy:

Tim Burton's 2 Batman films were good movies. But meant for the kids in mind. In fact almost all of Burton's films are very cartoonish & wierd.

Nolan's Batman films are meant for a more sophisticated audience. Leaning towards the adult in mind. More on realism and less on the cartoon side.

Burton was like the tv series. He played off of that style. In fact Jack Nicholson's whole performance was totally & solely based around Cesar Romero take on the Joker. And that's a 100% fact. Same goes for Devito's Penguin based on Burgess Meredith. And Carey's Riddler based on Frank Gorshen. Catwoman, etc...

Those original guys were the inovators for those villians characters. Everybody since has copied them. Actually Ledger's Joker is really not like Jacks or Cesar's, so I appluad him for trying something different.

So without the TV SERIES we wouldn't be at this point.

I doubt anybody would disagree.

 

[CaptainBeaver91]

This is real easy:

Tim Burton's 2 Batman films were good movies. But meant for the kids in mind. In fact almost all of Burton's films are very cartoonish & wierd.

Nolan's Batman films are meant for a more sophisticated audience. Leaning towards the adult in mind. More on realism and less on the cartoon side.

Burton was like the tv series. He played off of that style. In fact Jack Nicholson's whole performance was totally & solely based around Cesar Romero take on the Joker. And that's a 100% fact. Same goes for Devito's Penguin based on Burgess Meredith. And Carey's Riddler based on Frank Gorshen. Catwoman, etc...

Those original guys were the inovators for those villians characters. Everybody since has copied them. Actually Ledger's Joker is really not like Jacks or Cesar's, so I appluad him for trying something different.

So without the TV SERIES we wouldn't be at this point.

I doubt anybody would disagree.

And your view on Schumacher?

 

[TH3D4RKKN1GH7]

Schumacher actually says he was pushed to gear the film more towards kids, and selling more toys. Its on one of the documentary features on the Batman Anthology set for either Forever or BnR I forget which.

 

[milan22]

And your view on Schumacher?

Very cartoonish & colorful & very err ... gay friendly. Because , well you know... but definitely for the kids in mind. Not like Burton's younger audience , his target was the wierd Pee Wee Herman / Beetlejuice / Frankenweenie type youngster crowd.

Not the best in the series. But still 2 fun movies.

 

[TH3D4RKKN1GH7]

Also skateboarding Batman and Robin man when I saw that I died a little inside. Robin can get away with it but Batman like seriously. The suit minus the nipples would have been pretty good. Long ears slim body kinda like Neal Adams Batman.

 

[Tel Aviv]

You should read some of those reviews than my friend. If it doesn't focus on him, it sounds like he damn sure stole the show.

If anything TDK seems more an ensemble crime drama than a film orientated around a single character. The Joker should always steal scenes however, if he doesn't his depiction has failed.

 

[JayTee]

Well...Batman and Robin was the definitive film in terms of representing the silver age of Batman.

Go ahead and rip that apart.

I think if you can say this with a straight face, you're going off myth alone. Go read "The Man In The Red Hood" or "Joker's Millions" and tell me that's the same as ass shots and Neon Salvador Dhali gone to hell set pieces.

 

[cryptic name]

This is real easy:

Tim Burton's 2 Batman films were good movies. But meant for the kids in mind. In fact almost all of Burton's films are very cartoonish & wierd.

Nolan's Batman films are meant for a more sophisticated audience. Leaning towards the adult in mind. More on realism and less on the cartoon side.

Burton was like the tv series. He played off of that style. In fact Jack Nicholson's whole performance was totally & solely based around Cesar Romero take on the Joker. And that's a 100% fact. Same goes for Devito's Penguin based on Burgess Meredith. And Carey's Riddler based on Frank Gorshen. Catwoman, etc...

Those original guys were the inovators for those villians characters. Everybody since has copied them. Actually Ledger's Joker is really not like Jacks or Cesar's, so I appluad him for trying something different.

So without the TV SERIES we wouldn't be at this point.

I doubt anybody would disagree.

dont know if you've seen the tv series or not, but devito's penguin has zero to do with merediths other than having a long nose and being called penguin

 

[The Batman]

This is real easy:

Tim Burton's 2 Batman films were good movies. But meant for the kids in mind. In fact almost all of Burton's films are very cartoonish & wierd.

Nolan's Batman films are meant for a more sophisticated audience. Leaning towards the adult in mind. More on realism and less on the cartoon side.

Burton was like the tv series. He played off of that style. In fact Jack Nicholson's whole performance was totally & solely based around Cesar Romero take on the Joker. And that's a 100% fact. Same goes for Devito's Penguin based on Burgess Meredith. And Carey's Riddler based on Frank Gorshen. Catwoman, etc...

Those original guys were the inovators for those villians characters. Everybody since has copied them. Actually Ledger's Joker is really not like Jacks or Cesar's, so I appluad him for trying something different.

So without the TV SERIES we wouldn't be at this point.

I doubt anybody would disagree.

uh...no...its not...the fact that you felt the need to say that is funny, being that you're pretty wrong on this subject, save for carrey as riddler...the only thing you're right about is that we wouldnt have seen the movie versions without the tv show

 

[milan22]

dont know if you've seen the tv series or not, but devito's penguin has zero to do with merediths other than having a long nose and being called penguin

Zero? Yea then why did he sound like him? May not have looked like him just like him, but out of all the examples I gave you pick the one that looked the least. The top hat & tux wasn't strange enough for Burton. That is why Burton went with a totally odd look for Devito. But still he had Burgess as a model. Jack was totally Romero.

 

[milan22]

uh...no...its not...the fact that you felt the need to say that is funny, being that you're pretty wrong on this subject, save for carrey as riddler...the only thing you're right about is that we wouldnt have seen the movie versions without the tv show

Well I know I'm correct on this subject. Romero's Joker was 100% used as an model for Jack's joker. If you think not, then your fooling yourself.

If you want to go with the logic that Jack & Cesar are not twins, then they can't be exactly the same, I'll give you that.

Other than that, they are one the same.

 

[Caladbolg]

I see Nicholsons joker as a middleground between the 60s show and the darker version from some comics that were getting now. Burtons darkness always has a sort of goofiness to it as its other component.

 

[wikum]

Does the fact that B89 started it all mean that we have to like it? No it doesnt.

see...you didn't get my point. i said i dont understand how people could hate b89...but love tdk...not that it isn't possible. you kinda either like batman/joker/dent and what mischief they get up to and what they stand for.....or you don't. i don't see how tdk is going to be earth shatteringly different from b89. will it be better? almost certainly.

hell i know batman and robin is an awful film...but i still kinda like it...because it's batman.