Let's Make The Marijuana Thread Again!

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

I can't even deal with the second-hand smoke these days. When my bud smoke I always step outside because if I get any in my system I get a raging migraine. Luckily I can still enjoy the smell of fresh buds which is something that I do love so it's always nice when my homie gets really good buds like he usually does

 

[Matt Mortem]

Except for the ones vehemently sanctioned by society, then it's seen as deviant to have a bad word to say about it. Alcohol is sanctioned by society and weed is growing to the same levels of acceptability slowly, but talking about how it affects you will get you branded a buzzkill by enthusiastic alcohol users, and weed users like we've seen by some reactions in this thread.

I get mercilessly mocked by my friends for not drinking. Booze gives me the worst goddamn headaches. Paying stupid amounts of money for a headache ain't my idea of a good time.

 

[DeadPresident]

I get mercilessly mocked by my friends for not drinking. Booze gives me the worst goddamn headaches. Paying stupid amounts of money for a headache ain't my idea of a good time.

Unfortunately most people aren't intelligent enough to think of their behaviour without context. If you tell them drinking alcohol costs X amount and has Y negative effects they'll dismiss it out of hand because it's "just alcohol" and it's socially acceptable. If some other substance comes along, like something you eat, that has the same effect and cost and you tell people it's bad they'll probably agree because it isn't as culturally and socially acceptable.

This is what happens when the lowest common denominator dictates what is or isn't acceptable in society. If people want to play the cultural relativism card then we should just go all out and become absolute narcissistic hedonists instead of messing around.

10 years ago taking photos of yourself 5-10 times a day would have gotten you a psychiatrist appointment and a diagnosis of a personality disorder. Today it's just what people do. Sad thing is people don't quite grip how subtle and gradual changes can morph into unhealthy behavior, alcohol use being one of the primary examples. Future generations will (hopefully) look back and go "Wait...so people paid hard earned money for a temporary loss of sensory motor functioning and adverse health effects because 'everyone was doing it?' "

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

I support legalizing marijuana and people's right to smoke it, but as soon as someone's smoking impacts my life then I gotta speak up. I hate the smell of pot so ****ing much. It's my least favorite odor. My upstairs neighbors just moved in (it's two college dudes) and they smoke so much in their apartment that it comes through the vents and stinks up my whole place. Again, I'm totally for it's legalization, I just don't want to ever have to smell that hideous skunk fart of a smell.

I love the skunk smell of cannabis. When I smell it at a concert or a party my reaction is:

So are you cool with cannabis edibles and tinctures that have no smell?

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Except for the ones vehemently sanctioned by society, then it's seen as deviant to have a bad word to say about it. Alcohol is sanctioned by society and weed is growing to the same levels of acceptability slowly, but talking about how it affects you will get you branded a buzzkill by enthusiastic alcohol users, and weed users like we've seen by some reactions in this thread.

If you talk about someone inhaling petrol fumes and running amok 9/10 people will agree it's wholly unacceptable. If you complain about somebody getting hammered or stoned out of their minds and inconveniencing you probably 3/10 people will sympathise.

In society these days liberty > consideration.

Once cannabis is legal nationwide I won't be too concerned about anti-weed rhetoric unless the person is attacking me personally or it's an effort to roll back pro-cannabis drug law reform.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Also Matt, you should tell your neighbors that they would save money by buying a quality vaporizer because they'll use less weed.

That should reduce the smell.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

I support legalizing marijuana and people's right to smoke it, but as soon as someone's smoking impacts my life then I gotta speak up. I hate the smell of pot so ****ing much. It's my least favorite odor. My upstairs neighbors just moved in (it's two college dudes) and they smoke so much in their apartment that it comes through the vents and stinks up my whole place. Again, I'm totally for it's legalization, I just don't want to ever have to smell that hideous skunk fart of a smell.

That's a fair complaint. What you do is, you go get yourself a live grizzly bear, and hide him in their bathroom while they're out of the house.

Matt Mortem: 1
Slob Neighbors: 0

Yeah, but this thread can't go a page without everyone being reminded that alcohol is worse. The point has been made. We get it. It's becoming a cudgel at this point.

Alcohol (and tobacco) vs cannabis is a massive double standard. That point should be mentioned frequently.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Alcohol (and tobacco) vs cannabis is a massive double standard. That point should be mentioned frequently.

Yeah especially when people are arrested every 42 seconds for cannabis, a plant that's safer than alcohol. But we're supposed to ignore the elephant in the room that these cops, judges, lawyers and politicians who persecute cannabis users go home to enjoy a cold beer or some liquor?

 

[DeadPresident]

Once cannabis is legal nationwide I won't be too concerned about anti-weed rhetoric unless the person is attacking me personally or it's an effort to roll back pro-cannabis drug law reform.

The pro-weed rhetoric is as tiresome. I also find it amusing that people get as vehement about a trivial pastime as they do about whether or not abortion or gay marriage are legal. You'd swear some people needed it to get by.

Alcohol (and tobacco) vs cannabis is a massive double standard. That point should be mentioned frequently.

In this thread it's going into overdrive though, and it's exaggerated. Marijuana is touted as a cure-all while alcohol kills everyone whose lips it touches.

That Cannabis is safer than both alcohol and commercial tobacco products has become synonymous with "Marijuana is safe, period".

 

[Whiskey Tango]

The pro-weed rhetoric is as tiresome. I also find it amusing that people get as vehement about a trivial pastime as they do about whether or not abortion or gay marriage are legal. You'd swear some people needed it to get by.

Yeah I totally can't imagine why people would act defensive in this thread.

In this thread it's going into overdrive though, and it's exaggerated. Marijuana is touted as a cure-all while alcohol kills everyone whose lips it touches.

Just wait until I get started on the peanut!

But seriously, I don't see the problem. If you feel someone is being overly unfair to booze or overly generous to weed you should challenge them when it happens maybe instead of holding everyone involved with the thread responsible. This is not the first ever political issue to have frequently repeated talking points.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

The pro-weed rhetoric is as tiresome. I also find it amusing that people get as vehement about a trivial pastime as they do about whether or not abortion or gay marriage are legal. You'd swear some people needed it to get by.

Life is short, bro. If you ban dancing, recreational sex, sugar, video games, movies, they are no longer trivial vices. They become a ridiculous suppression of a person's right to enjoy themselves in a victimless way and flat out unjust laws that impact millions.

And not only does cannabis help you appreciate the things I listed, it has hundreds of medicinal uses and thousands of industrial uses.

So yeah, it's not like the mistake of banning alcohol. It's actually much worse.

I find it PATHETIC that you think it's not a serious issue that millions of people have been unjustly arrested for using a relatively safe plant. Those arrest records derail people's lives when something like alcohol is far more destructive. You think it's not a serious issue when hundreds of billions of dollars goes towards criminals instead of building schools, roads, and infrastructure?

Abortion is legal. Gay marriage is legal. Maybe it's time to focus on unjust drug laws that waste billions of dollars and countless resources.

In this thread it's going into overdrive though, and it's exaggerated. Marijuana is touted as a cure-all while alcohol kills everyone whose lips it touches.

That Cannabis is safer than both alcohol and commercial tobacco products has become synonymous with "Marijuana is safe, period".

No, that's a hyperbolic statement/stawman and you know it.

No one said that "cannabis is perfectly safe" but it's kind of ridiculous when ciggs and booze kill millions globally every year and the medicinal plant with zero deaths gets people locked up.

I mean, when people see the mind-boggling hypocrisy and injustice involved, of course they take it seriously and push for drug law reform.

You'd have to be blind not to.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Tell someone using cannabis to combat the effects of chemo that it's a "trivial pastime". I'm sure they'll get a kick out of that.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

So millions of people are arrested for ingesting a natural plant safer than alcohol and it's tiresome to hear people address it?

Cry me a river!

Stop arresting millions over something so relatively harmless and then you don't have to hear about it! Stop taking people's kids away. Stop denying sick people a less harmful alternative to prescription drugs. Stop losing billions of potential revenue that goes to criminals instead. Stop wasting the industrial potential for hemp. Stop punishing people for smoking a freaking joint while getting drunk with your buddies the next day.

Stop all that dumb s**t and you don't have to hear about it from people who have the "audacity" to bring it up.

Simple enough, right?

 

[Parker Wayne]

DeadPresident is right. This thread is tiresome with the pro-cannabis response. I'm very pro-cannabis and some of you people get ridiculously uptight.

How am I being defensive?

He said he was getting lazy and not getting things done because of weed.

Then I made a distinction between people who smoke who can take care of their responsibilities.

I've noticed a couple of SOB stories about cannabis lately and wanted to balance things out since there are plenty of people who would use those stories to become anti-legalization.

This is a pro-cannabis thread. Any anti-cannabis rhetoric will be countered with an opposing view.

Unless what I said was inaccurate there really shouldn't be a problem with saying "yeah weed is harmful in that way but helpful in this way".

Life is short, bro. If you ban dancing, recreational sex, sugar, video games, movies, they are no longer trivial vices. They become a ridiculous suppression of a person's right to enjoy themselves in a victimless way and flat out unjust laws that impact millions.

And not only does cannabis help you appreciate the things I listed, it has hundreds of medicinal uses and thousands of industrial uses.

So yeah, it's not like the mistake of banning alcohol. It's actually much worse.

I find it PATHETIC that you think it's not a serious issue that millions of people have been unjustly arrested for using a relatively safe plant. Those arrest records derail people's lives when something like alcohol is far more destructive. You think it's not a serious issue when hundreds of billions of dollars goes towards criminals instead of building schools, roads, and infrastructure?

Abortion is legal. Gay marriage is legal. Maybe it's time to focus on unjust drug laws that waste billions of dollars and countless resources.



No, that's a hyperbolic statement/stawman and you know it.

No one said that "cannabis is perfectly safe" but it's kind of ridiculous when ciggs and booze kill millions globally every year and the medicinal plant with zero deaths gets people locked up.

I mean, when people see the mind-boggling hypocrisy and injustice involved, of course they take it seriously and push for drug law reform.

You'd have to be blind not to.

Decoy, of all the people in this thread, you get upset or uptight anyone says anything remotely negative about cannabis in this thread and it's getting tiring. DeadPresident has not opposed legalization or advocated criminalization once (he has said several times in this thread that he is against criminalization).

Lets go back to Moviedoors first post:

I stopped smoking almost a month ago now. The original intent was so I can pass a potential drug test (looking for a higher paying job) but after 3 days without it, I'm just going to stay off of it indefinitely. I don't miss it at all and I infact feel much better and more motivated. Pot doesn't do my ADD any favors and I've been depressed lately, and it's screamingly obvious now that using something that turns me into an attention span-less slug was only making me even more depressed. Later weed. I like actually having a clean house and an attention span that allows me to read a book more than I like being high.

He said nothing about the ilegality or wanting to ban it, and yet you go on your "it shouldn't be banned and the government is evil" speech, lecturing him on what he already noticed.

I've noticed that everytime someone says something remotely bad about it, you give the old "People have been jailed in this drug when alcohol is bad too." even to people who agree with legality of it but have other problems with it.

We get it, most people who post in this thread understand that point. Shadowboxer and others were more the exception than the rule in this thread.


That doesn't even just go for Decoy. Some of you others disappoint me too. You guys constantly point out alcohol whenever someone points out something negative in this thread even though they didn't mention alchohol at all. For god's sake moviedoors was just talking about himself and not commenting on wanting to ban it. This thread gets way too defensive to the point that some of you guys come off like d**ks.

 

[Parker Wayne]

So millions of people are arrested for ingesting a natural plant safer than alcohol and it's tiresome to hear people address it?

Cry me a river!

Stop arresting millions over something so relatively harmless and then you don't have to hear about it! Stop taking people's kids away. Stop denying sick people a less harmful alternative to prescription drugs. Stop losing billions of potential revenue that goes to criminals instead. Stop wasting the industrial potential for hemp. Stop punishing people for smoking a freaking joint while getting drunk with your buddies the next day.

Stop all that dumb s**t and you don't have to hear about it from people who have the "audacity" to bring it up.

Simple enough, right?

You lashing out at everyone in this thread won't get undo any of that damage so stop bringing up that strawman argument every time someone says they don't like the smell of weed.

 

[DeadPresident]

Yeah I totally can't imagine why people would act defensive in this thread.

Defending a concept, idea, or thing is different from becoming defensive personally. You'd swear weed is some intrinsic part of people like Messiah's existence. There's a difference.

Just wait until I get started on the peanut!

But seriously, I don't see the problem. If you feel someone is being overly unfair to booze or overly generous to weed you should challenge them when it happens maybe instead of holding everyone involved with the thread responsible. This is not the first ever political issue to have frequently repeated talking points.

My engagements in this thread have been 90% the same, with pioneers like Messiah twisting my words to make it seem like I'm hunting down his precious lifeblood

Life is short, bro. If you ban dancing, recreational sex, sugar, video games, movies, they are no longer trivial vices. They become a ridiculous suppression of a person's right to enjoy themselves in a victimless way and flat out unjust laws that impact millions.

And not only does cannabis help you appreciate the things I listed, it has hundreds of medicinal uses and thousands of industrial uses.

So yeah, it's not like the mistake of banning alcohol. It's actually much worse.

I find it PATHETIC that you think it's not a serious issue that millions of people have been unjustly arrested for using a relatively safe plant. Those arrest records derail people's lives when something like alcohol is far more destructive. You think it's not a serious issue when hundreds of billions of dollars goes towards criminals instead of building schools, roads, and infrastructure?

Abortion is legal. Gay marriage is legal. Maybe it's time to focus on unjust drug laws that waste billions of dollars and countless resources.



No, that's a hyperbolic statement/stawman and you know it.

No one said that "cannabis is perfectly safe" but it's kind of ridiculous when ciggs and booze kill millions globally every year and the medicinal plant with zero deaths gets people locked up.

I mean, when people see the mind-boggling hypocrisy and injustice involved, of course they take it seriously and push for drug law reform.

You'd have to be blind not to.

LMFAO, are you stoned right now? Where did I say that? Are you honestly stupid enough to start fabricating arguments based solely on extrapolating what I've said?

Yeah, obviously I don't give **** about people who could be helped by marijuana, since I've explicitly stated it. And yeah, I love the fact that the USA spends billions on prosecuting a less harmful substance than alcohol and ruin people's lives because of it.

/Sarcasm. Since apparently following basic logic is difficult for you

Tell someone using cannabis to combat the effects of chemo that it's a "trivial pastime". I'm sure they'll get a kick out of that.

...Are you and IntelligenceDecoy on the same thing? Because obviously all my comments mean I don't want cancer patients to get a more accessible treatment for their pain, right?

Lol keep on going though guys, I'm sure at this rate and with representative like you guys weed will be 100% legal statewide in no time

 

[Parker Wayne]

I'm as pro-cannabis/decriminalization as you get and some of you guys in this thread (mainly MessiahDecoy; screw it, just MessiahDecoy for right now) are as ridiculous and strawman as you can get. You give cannabis users a bad name because you can't differentiate between people who are purely anti-weed and people who talk about moderation. You should learn that difference, because you make this thread unpleasant for others to post in here.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

DeadPresident is right. This thread is tiresome with the pro-cannabis response. I'm very pro-cannabis and some of you people get ridiculously uptight.





Decoy, of all the people in this thread, you get upset or uptight anyone says anything remotely negative about cannabis in this thread and it's getting tiring. DeadPresident has not opposed legalization or advocated criminalization once (he has said several times in this thread that he is against criminalization).

Lets go back to Moviedoors first post:



He said nothing about the ilegality or wanting to ban it, and yet you go on your "it shouldn't be banned and the government is evil" speech, lecturing him on what he already noticed.

I've noticed that everytime someone says something remotely bad about it, you give the old "People have been jailed in this drug when alcohol is bad too." even to people who agree with legality of it but have other problems with it.

We get it, most people who post in this thread understand that point. Shadowboxer and others were more the exception than the rule in this thread.


That doesn't even just go for Decoy. Some of you others disappoint me too. You guys constantly point out alcohol whenever someone points out something negative in this thread even though they didn't mention alchohol at all. This thread gets way too defensive to the point that some of you guys come off like d**ks.

Quite frankly, I couldn't care less if I "disappoint" you.

I don't think anyone else does either.

You don't like hearing cannabis is safer than alcohol? Tough s**t. I don't go to a gay rights activist and tell them "hey man, can you not bring up the divorce rate, bro.". I don't tell someone who is anti-war to not bring up the civilian casualty rate.

You don't like how I argue. Once, again tough s**t.

You're the one telling people not to disappoint you then having the gall to say other people look like d**ks.

I disappoint you? Good. Be disappointed.


BTW - DeadPresidents called cannabis trivial and legalization not worth getting worked up about, I simply told him why it's not trivial and why it mattered.

Learn to read before insulting people's debating skills.

 

[DeadPresident]

I disappoint you? Good. Be disappointed.

Lol, what are you, sixteen?

BTW - DeadPresidents called cannabis trivial and legalization not worth getting worked up about, I simply told him why it's not trivial and why it mattered.

Learn to read before insulting people's debating skills.

Find me that part. I called marijuana use a trivial pastime, I'd like you to point out the second bit though.

Learn to read before insulting other people's reading skills.

 

[MadVillainy]

welp...

 

[Parker Wayne]

Quite frankly, I couldn't care less if I "disappoint" you.

I don't think anyone else does either.

You don't like hearing cannabis is safer than alcohol? Tough s**t. I don't go to a gay rights activist and tell them "hey man, can you not bring up the divorce rate, bro.". I don't tell someone who is anti-war to not bring up the civilian casualty rate.

You don't like how I argue. Once, again tough s**t.

You're the one telling people not to disappoint you then having the gall to say other people look like d**ks.

I disappoint you? Good. Be disappointed.


BTW - DeadPresidents called cannabis trivial and legalization not worth getting worked up about, I simply told him why it's not trivial and why it mattered.

Learn to read before insulting people's debating skills.

He called it a trivial pastime, in which in past generations it was seen by the American people as a trivial pastime. He did not call the act or legalization trival.

And of everything in my post, you're hinging on the disappointment part?

The alcohol argument holds no weight when no one is talking about alcohol or legalization at all. What you're doing freaking out whenever someone says anything remote bad about cannabis. That is the equivalent of getting defensive about liking superheroes when someone complains about the color of Batman's cape.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

I'm as pro-cannabis/decriminalization as you get and some of you guys in this thread (mainly MessiahDecoy; screw it, just MessiahDecoy for right now) are as ridiculous and strawman as you can get. You give cannabis users a bad name because you can't differentiate between people who are purely anti-weed and people who talk about moderation. You should learn that difference, because you make this thread unpleasant for others to post in here.

I never attacked someone who simply said they need to cut down on smoking weed.

XtremeBane says he wants to cut back and is going to take a break and I never attacked him for it.

When someone suggest weed ruined something, I just explain how the cups half full.

When someone says cannabis activism is pointless, I just explain why it isn't.

If I'm attacked personally, I counter attack.

There really is nothing wrong with this.

I don't see why I should adjust my debating habits for people who can't read.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Lol, what are you, sixteen?



Find me that part. I called marijuana use a trivial pastime, I'd like you to point out the second bit though.

Learn to read before insulting other people's reading skills.

Oh great, more insults.

Are you one of those trolls who throws insults and bait to get people banned and threads closed?

Do you even recognize the context of your "trivial pastime" comment?

That should explain the "second bit".

 

[Parker Wayne]

I never attacked someone who simply said they need to cut down on smoking weed.

XtremeBane says he wants to cut back and is going to take a break and I never attacked him for it.

When someone suggest weed ruined something, I just explain how the cups half full.

When someone says cannabis activism is pointless, I just explain why it isn't.

If I'm attacked personally, I counter attack.

There really is nothing wrong with this.

I don't see why I should adjust my debating habits for people who can't read.

Anyone reading the last few pages alone knows none of this is true.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

He called it a trivial pastime, in which in past generations it was seen by the American people as a trivial pastime. He did not call the act or legalization trival.

And of everything in my post, you're hinging on the disappointment part?

The alcohol argument holds no weight when no one is talking about alcohol or legalization at all. What you're doing freaking out whenever someone says anything remote bad about cannabis. That is the equivalent of getting defensive about liking superheroes when someone complains about the color of Batman's cape.

Read his post. He says pro-weed rhetoric is tiresome and cannabis is trivial.

Yes, the disappointment comment paints a crystal clear picture of where you're coming from.