Let's Make The Marijuana Thread Again!

[MessiahDecoy123]

Alcohol and marijuana abuse are both dangerous. Why can't people enjoy the vast world without such mind altering sh&$#?

If one drug kills 80,000 Americans every year and another drug doesn't kill anyone, then those drugs aren't equally dangerous.

Arresting people up for using the one that is less dangerous isn't only hypocritical, it's also stupid and counter-productive.

And I counter your point that you should enjoy the vast world without using something mind-altering by asking isn't life too short to go through your brief existence without exploring your perception and improving a wide variety of sensations.

You have a drug that improves sex, music, nature, sports, tv, movies, food, etc, and you turn it down? Seems like the only reason to avoid such a natural godsend is out of some outdated, misguided Puritanical value.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Someone with cancer that gets alleviated from pain from marijuana? That's a medicinal use.

I don't see enough evidence that an already healthy person is going to get healthier like that of vitamin use. Although, overuse of some vitamins can even become bad for you

I'm just saying neither alcohol or marijuana is a healthy vice to have in general. If it turns into the point of habit and ultimately addiction, there are some long term negative effects at least for some users. Reportedly long term users lose 12-15% of their hippocampus which obviously impacts memory ability. Also there is a reduction in sperm count. Paranoia, schizophrenia, and even tachycardia can be elevated issues with pot smokers. Lethargic behavior which can lead to worsened depression is reported with some users as well.

I'd say anything that turns into a vice can be abused and negatively impact life.

Quite frankly, I'll assume an adult is capable of deciding so not going against the grain and asking to keep it banned... but just as alcohol being readily available lead to propensity to over use it, I could see that happening at some point with weed.

The fight to make it readily available up against "the man" is kind of comical with the supporting evidence for health benefits being way beyond stretched though

If you are healthy lets face it. You are better off eating healthy and exercising. Alcohol, pot, and tobacco are vices that are better off avoided.

You're seriously understating the medicinal benefits of cannabis. It helps treat the spread of certain cancers, it treats epilepsy, diabetes, PTSD, Crohns, fibromyalgia, arthritis, ALS, MS, nausea, neuropathy, Alzheimer's, IBS, Lupus, Parkinson's, etc.

I take prescription drugs with worse side effects than cannabis.

The danger of schizophrenia is exaggerated. It might trigger schizophrenia in the 1% of the population predisposed to it but causation hasn't been proven. The rate of schizophrenia has remained steady over the last few decades even though cannabis use has gone through the roof.

Everything that feels and taste good carries risks. But you should have the personal freedom to do things that are risky or unhealthy. Especially something like cannabis that doesn't kill millions of people like cigarettes and alcohol.

 

[Six]

I used to prefer alcohol over ganja, but it wasn't until I tried using it to stop my sleep problems(which worked) that I pretty much stopped drinking in general. Even in social settings, being stoned makes me more relaxed and sociable. All alcohol ever did was make me want to drink more.

I also get outside a lot more than I did before I started doing it. More fresh air, more exercise. It has improved my life in a positive way. And unless its starts affecting me in a negative way, I can't see any reason why I shouldn't do it. Because of an outdated law?

Everything that feels and taste good carries risks. But you should have the personal freedom to do things that are risky or unhealthy. Especially something like cannabis that doesn't kill millions of people like cigarettes and alcohol.

I don't see how this is difficult to grasp.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

One is not worse than the other. I personally don't believe long term marijuana is less harmful.

you didn't answer my question brah. But anyways, you're wrong. Marihuana is less harmful, period. (Unless you're in denial or uninformed) it's not up for debate.

You saying you personally don't believe long term use is less hem tip reminds me of my Muslim friend who said to me that he refuses to acknowledge that there's gelatin in pop tarts after I told him as much.

I'd probably lean towards legalization for adult use, but I'd rather we don't pretend it's something so healthy.

i never said it's healthy, I'm arguing that it is LESS harmful than another substance that is 100% legal, and those who use the less harmful drug who are caught are treated like criminals.

To say you want a legal right to be a pothead is one thing as an adult. To say it's for nefarious reasons is kind of grandstanding on the topic. Let's not add it to the daily vitamins as a health need quite yet I know you want to get stoned, and that's up to you... but Vitamin C and Vitamin M (and I'm not talking folic acid here) are on a different field.

define pothead. People have the legal right to be drinkers, even though alcohol is a more dangerous substance than thc. I don't know what you mean with "nefarious reasons".

I want to get stoned without having to worry about the law, just as those who like to drink alcohol (under the right age) can already do so. Alcohol consumption is an accepted part of culture. Why can't a drug that is less harmful be a part of it too?

 

[Spock]

If one drug kills 80,000 Americans every year and another drug doesn't kill anyone, then those drugs aren't equally dangerous.

Arresting people up for using the one that is less dangerous isn't only hypocritical, it's also stupid and counter-productive.

And I counter your point that you should enjoy the vast world without using something mind-altering by asking isn't life too short to go through your brief existence without exploring your perception and improving a wide variety of sensations.

You have a drug that improves sex, music, nature, sports, tv, movies, food, etc, and you turn it down? Seems like the only reason to avoid such a natural godsend is out of some outdated, misguided Puritanical value.

If one drug became more overused when legalized, it is logical to assume another drug may become overused as well. You give far too much credence to it having everyday health benefits. As pointed out before it actually lowers sperm count. That's not exactly good for sex. Don't try that diatribe of "marijuana is cool, and those who disagree with overuse must be conservative bigot" garbage either. My view is overuse of any substance can become dangerous.

 

[BatmanVSuperman]

Yes- I did say it may have medicinal purposes for ailments. A healthy person without such ailments using it recreational is doing so just to get high. That's simply abusing it, as people abuse alcohol. I also said I wasn't suggesting to ban it, and made it clear it should be up to adults to decide. There is just a potential danger in abuse of it. If those are extreme views, you guys should watch the extreme right wing who are seeking to ban it and not allow adults to decide for themselves.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

If one drug became more overused when legalized, it is logical to assume another drug may become overused as well. You give far too much credence to it having everyday health benefits. As pointed out before it actually lowers sperm count. That's not exactly good for sex. Don't try that diatribe of "marijuana is cool, and those who disagree with overuse must be conservative bigot" garbage either. My view is overuse of any substance can become dangerous.

1) Prohibition doesn't work. Cannabis has been outlawed for almost a century and the drug is more popular than ever. All we have accomplished was lose hundreds of billions in potential tax revenue that went to the black market and cartels. And millions of people have received arrest records for using a plant less harmful than alcohol and cigarettes.

2) If cannabis really lowers your sperm count by a wide margin, then put a warning on the label in a regulated market. They put labels on cigarettes warning people that they will KILL YOU. Is a lower sperm count worse than death??? I take prescription drugs with worse side effects than lower sperm count. My wife uses deadly cigarettes. Should we be arrested for using these products just because they're more dangerous than cannabis and we freely choose to use them???

3) I never said cannabis being cool was the reason to legalize it or that you were a bigot. But you are a person who's trying to decide how I can live my life when it has nothing to do with you.

4) Heavy use of cannabis might have unwanted side effects but it's much safer than alcohol and cigarettes. MUCH safer. It's pretty dumb to tax and regulate drugs that kills millions globally every year while banning a drug that doesn't kill anyone. If people are free to risk death from drinking alcohol they should be allowed to risk the lesser problems associated with cannabis use.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

This whole post didn't even address what you quoted. He said it may have medicinal purpose for medical ailments such as what you listed. The argument is that a healthy person taking it without medicinal need, especially in overuse for recreational purposes is not getting a healthy benefit from including it in their "diet" everyday. Not to mention he wasn't arguing legalizing and states adults should be free to choose. It's like you made no point here. Are you puffing one now

I'm completely sober. I wish I was stoned because it would make debating a brick wall, like yourself, much more tolerable.

I said he understated the medicinal benefits of cannabis which he only touched on. That point still stands.

I've argued in almost every post that even heavy use of cannabis is preferable to drinking booze or cigarettes which can both kill you.

You say medicinal and recreational cannabis use should be legal. Your basically only arguing against heavy use of cannabis but it's far less harmful than various prescription drugs, cigarettes and alcohol.

Basically you guys have little to no argument. I could be stoned and still destroy your narrow and baseless position.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Yes- I did say it may have medicinal purposes for ailments. A healthy person without such ailments using it recreational is doing so just to get high. That's simply abusing it, as people abuse alcohol. I also said I wasn't suggesting to ban it, and made it clear it should be up to adults to decide. There is just a potential danger in abuse of it. If those are extreme views, you guys should watch the extreme right wing who are seeking to ban it and not allow adults to decide for themselves.

Moderate and recreational use of cannabis in no more abuse than a soccer mom who drinks wine with her friends.

If you think the latter is also abuse than there's no reason debating you and your outdated puritanical view of alcohol and soft drug use.

 

[moviedoors]

A healthy person without such ailments using it recreational is doing so just to get high.

I know that's why I use it!

That's simply abusing it

But, now we need to pump the breaks. Is any use outside of a medical context at all "abuse?" I don't think it is.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

If one drug became more overused when legalized, it is logical to assume another drug may become overused as well.

by this logic, alcohol should be criminalized (it won't be). It is the more harmful drug, and it is permitted in society.

You give far too much credence to it having everyday health benefits. As pointed out before it actually lowers sperm count. That's not exactly good for sex.

medicinal marijuana is its own thing. alcohol is more dangerous, and it is legal for recreational and social use in society. it does not make sense to treat marijuana users as criminals for doing the same thing that alcohol users do (use their drug of choice in their own private setting without doing any harm to anyone else, without wanting any lawful ramifications)

Don't try that diatribe of "marijuana is cool, and those who disagree with overuse must be conservative bigot" garbage either. My view is overuse of any substance can become dangerous.

overuse of anything is bad. anything.

here is the difference though: people (of the right age) can consume alcohol without having to worry about the law, and it is a more dangerous substance than marijuana. and yet, anyone who tries to consume marijuana has to always worry about the law.

This whole post didn't even address what you quoted. He said it may have medicinal purpose for medical ailments such as what you listed. The argument is that a healthy person taking it without medicinal need, especially in overuse for recreational purposes is not getting a healthy benefit from including it in their "diet" everyday. Not to mention he wasn't arguing legalizing and states adults should be free to choose. It's like you made no point here. Are you puffing one now

overuse of ANYTHING is bad. this doesn't mean that the consumption of this substance should be completely demonized and criminalizing.

I should remind people that BatmanVSuperman is 12, anyway.

how do you know this?

Yes- I did say it may have medicinal purposes for ailments. A healthy person without such ailments using it recreational is doing so just to get high. That's simply abusing it, as people abuse alcohol.

like I said before, here is the difference - alcohol users don't have to worry about the law. marijuana users do. and it isn't as bad for you.

if it is legal for someone to consume (or as you say, abuse) alcohol just to get intoxicated, why shouldn't marijuana be allowed as well seeing as how it is a less damaging intoxicant? why is it that the more dangerous substance is not criminalizing but the lesser one is?

I also said I wasn't suggesting to ban it, and made it clear it should be up to adults to decide. There is just a potential danger in abuse of it. If those are extreme views, you guys should watch the extreme right wing who are seeking to ban it and not allow adults to decide for themselves.

abuse of anything is bad. and the abuse of alcohol is much worse than the abuse of marijuana. people have died from it. i don't think anyone has ever died from marijuana.

YET, the societal facilitation for alcohol abuse is there, because it is friggin legal.

 

[Spock]

The logic that because one is worse than the other and is freely used, that we should introduce something else to become freely abused. Well, it's... illogical.

 

[Parker Wayne]

Actually, Cannibus have plenty of great medicinal uses:

- First of all, cannibus has shown to successfully dull and relax the pain of chemotherapy in cancer. Also, it has shown to kill, or at least slow growth of some cancer cells.

- In addition to cancer has also shown that cannibus can help with issues of Glaucoma, epilepsy, Anxiety, multiple schlerosis, Alzheimers, hepatitus C, PTSD, arthritis, strokes and possibly other diseases like Parkinson's, and crohn's disease.

- It should be legalized but while there are some negative effects, cannibus negatives are nowhere near as harmful as most drugs on the market. There's also no possible way marijuana can kill you short of people being irresponsible. People can be irresponsible about it, but the problem with be squarely with people and not cannibus.

- Also, an abuse of anything can be dangerous, but most people who smoke cannibus are responsible about it. The belief that if you legalize, it will be abused by most people is nonsense. Colorado has been very successful about legalizing it. Other states have legalized too and the sky hasn't fallen.

I should also add two more things. More political than anything.

- For decades people's lives have been ruined by the prohibition of marijuana. People have been jailed and incarcerated for years for possesion. Many minorities have been targeted much more than caucasians, though more caucasians smoke marijuana than minorities. I'm glad that efforts to decriminalize the drug have been ramping up in the last decade.

- Also, legalizing marijuana would cripple the power of cartels in the United States. The War on Drugs is a failure that has done much more harm than good. We have an even greater outpouring of drugs than ever, and we use prohibition as an excuse to incarcerate minorities. Legalizing marijuana hurts the power of the cartel considering that the Mexican cartels biggest sales in the US is cannibus.

 

[Parker Wayne]

If one drug kills 80,000 Americans every year and another drug doesn't kill anyone, then those drugs aren't equally dangerous.

Arresting people up for using the one that is less dangerous isn't only hypocritical, it's also stupid and counter-productive.

And I counter your point that you should enjoy the vast world without using something mind-altering by asking isn't life too short to go through your brief existence without exploring your perception and improving a wide variety of sensations.

You have a drug that improves sex, music, nature, sports, tv, movies, food, etc, and you turn it down? Seems like the only reason to avoid such a natural godsend is out of some outdated, misguided Puritanical value.

If one drug became more overused when legalized, it is logical to assume another drug may become overused as well. You give far too much credence to it having everyday health benefits. As pointed out before it actually lowers sperm count. That's not exactly good for sex. Don't try that diatribe of "marijuana is cool, and those who disagree with overuse must be conservative bigot" garbage either. My view is overuse of any substance can become dangerous.

Lowering the sperm count =/= can kill you.

 

[Parker Wayne]

I think Randy Marsh said it best about the negatives of weed and abusing it.

 

[Maximus One]

Hey, that's what happened to me! All makes sense now.

 

[Alien Anal]

Anybody here watch Getting Doug with high?

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

The logic that because one is worse than the other and is freely used, that we should introduce something else to become freely abused. Well, it's... illogical.

How is it illogical?

It's much safer than both cigarettes and alcohol which kill millions but we tax and regulate them in a legal market.

Common sense and logic says you shouldn't arrest millions of people for using the much safer drug. You tax and regulate it also.

It's not like prohibition stops people from smoking cannabis. Weed is more popular than ever despite being strictly prohibited for almost 100 years. Prohibition just stops our society from benefiting from the potential tax revenue and economic boost.

It's not only pointless it's counter-productive.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Anybody here watch Getting Doug with high?

Yes, but I haven't watched it in a while.

Any good new episodes?

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

causes millions of deaths = zero arrest (alcohol and cigarettes)

causes zero deaths = millions of arrest (cannabis)

Yeah, that's some really impressive logic there.

 

[C. Lee]

Here's a suggestion for EVERYONE.......if you can't discuss the subject civilly and without spending your time making fun of people instead of discussing the subject, then do not post in here. And some of you need to learn how to use the ignore button....if all you are going to do is complain about every post someone makes then you need to stop reading their posts.

 

[Greens]

You guys are discussing the health benefits vs. the downsides but in the end it shouldn't matter. If people want to take a risk, they should be allowed to take one. Eating too much sugar or too much fat can cause serious health problems, yet people are allowed to buy all the fast food they want, which is a good thing. Marijuana has never directly killed ANYONE, and yet it's demonized.

You can not be against marijuana legalization and for cigarettes or alcohol remaining legal. Well, you can, but you'd be inconsistent in your standards.

 

[Kane52630]

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

The logic that because one is worse than the other and is freely used, that we should introduce something else to become freely abused. Well, it's... illogical.

uhh, how?

A 21+ year old person consuming alcohol in the comfort of their home is not committing any crimes.

Replace the word alcohol in that sentence with marijuana, and it is now a false statement.

HOW is it illogical to want equality in societal treatment and image/representation of marijuana to alcohol? Why should marijuana users be seen and treated as criminals and not that of alcohol users?

ESPECIALLY seeing as how alcohol is less harmful. I'm not arguing for any other or all drugs to be legalized - that sounds completely crazy to me. I just think marijuana needs to be in the same place that alcohol is in society.

 

[Spock]

Lowering the sperm count =/= can kill you.

A lot has happened in this thread. Anyways let me make it abundantly clear, I was referring to the post about health benefits/increased sex performance. That was the reason of mentioning the lowered sperm count from marijuana. Parker stop being trouble maker