Let's Make The Marijuana Thread Again!

[MessiahDecoy123]

my cousin, who used to tell me to just stay clean till I get a job, is now thinking that I have an addiction problem and should lay off it forever.

How often do you smoke when you're able to smoke?

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

How often do you smoke when you're able to smoke?

it depends. i technically am able to smoke but i don't - i'm guessing that if i were at that point it'd be weekly.

 

[PЯOVOSҬ]

I've tried it many years ago and in general it had no effect.

I support it being legalised/decriminalised even though I have no interest in smoking it myself.

 

[Flint Marko]

Haven't been able to smoke in quite some time, I'm in a state where it's illegal and can't find anyone I trust who sells. I'm wanting too sometime soon, but I doubt it's going to happen.

 

[Yowza]

I don't smoke marijuana; while I don't think it should be classified as a controlled substance, I'm not into the snarky responses I get when I say I don't see it as a nootropic nor quality of life enhancer.

Furthermore, I actually see it as a problem. Unlike alcohol (which can also be a problem in some ways I'm not debating that), weed stays in one's system a lot longer and won't necessarily be gone in a couple days when one has to continue work or going to a family event. There seems to be a lot of unprofessionalism and bad behavior associated with it. I think it actually can make some people (not saying all people as it depends on brain chemistry and amount) sociopathic but that's just my opinion.

People tout that it should be legalized as a medicinal drug. Do we go to the prescription store downing just whatever dosage on a daily basis? I'm not totally against herbal entheogenic compounds entirely but marijuana is a subject unto itself; it has a prominent psychoactive effect, and isn't something I can necessarily see as a nootropic or able to take a sustained amount daily living in an unaltered state. There isn't a controlled amount that goes into one's system each time and it can stick around in the system for a while especially if one takes it a lot. It has become a cultural problem in my opinion and I will not be swayed by people hating on me because of my opinion as I think it's morally sound.

 

[PЯOVOSҬ]

New South Wales and Victoria (States of Australia) have approved trials for the use of medicinal marijuana.

The main misnomer on this is that people think it's the same substance as one smokes in a joint.

All the THC is taken out of it and the remaining elements are what are used in medical marijuana (at least the type as defined as such here in Australia).

 

[Black Narcissus]

Talking bout morals related to weed...hmmm.

What other banned member you use to spill this?

 

[PЯOVOSҬ]

I aint a banned member nor a PBU (sorry to dissapoint)

 

[Black Narcissus]

I aint a banned member nor a PBU (sorry to dissapoint)

I wasn't talking about you.

 

[PЯOVOSҬ]

I wasn't talking about you.

Oh good.

 

[Yowza]

Please elaborate. I speak for myself. Is that ban worthy?

Snarky comment I was expecting. You think differently I can tell.

 

[PЯOVOSҬ]

Please elaborate. I speak for myself. Is that ban worthy?

Snarky comment I was expecting. You think differently I can tell.

Plus you signed up recent so you're on the PBU suspect list by default.

 

[Six]

I don't smoke marijuana; while I don't think it should be classified as a controlled substance, I'm not into the snarky responses I get when I say I don't see it as a nootropic nor quality of life enhancer.

Furthermore, I actually see it as a problem. Unlike alcohol (which can also be a problem in some ways I'm not debating that), weed stays in one's system a lot longer and won't necessarily be gone in a couple days when one has to continue work or going to a family event. There seems to be a lot of unprofessionalism and bad behavior associated with it. I think it actually can make some people (not saying all people as it depends on brain chemistry and amount) sociopathic but that's just my opinion.

People tout that it should be legalized as a medicinal drug. Do we go to the prescription store downing just whatever dosage on a daily basis? I'm not totally against herbal entheogenic compounds entirely but marijuana is a subject unto itself; it has a prominent psychoactive effect, and isn't something I can necessarily see as a nootropic or able to take a sustained amount daily living in an unaltered state. There isn't a controlled amount that goes into one's system each time and it can stick around in the system for a while especially if one takes it a lot. It has become a cultural problem in my opinion and I will not be swayed by people hating on me because of my opinion as I think it's morally sound.

I have never seen weed give anyone sociopathic tendencies... Are you sure that's the word you're looking for? Or are you sure you're thinking about weed?

 

[Yowza]

Plus you signed up recent so you're on the PBU suspect list by default.

Not by default. I actually checked out the forums time to time but ended up signing up compelled to give my opinion on the overall consensus that Marvel Studios wins the more properties they acquire as my first post will show.

Post count shouldn't matter when it comes to being able to speak freely about something. I have seen stuff personally that has shaped my opinion on this. I'm not hating on you if you choose to use it. Just saying what I think.

I have never seen weed give anyone sociopathic tendencies... Are you sure that's the word you're looking for? Or are you sure you're thinking about weed?

I think that's good. One isn't by default if they smoke it. However, I think it can lead towards certain dissociative dangers that could be potentially associated with it. That word can be accurate when one looks at behavioral aspects stemming from a dissociative effect. Like I said brain chemistry and amount can play a role. So of course I think it varies from person to person. I also said that I don't think it should be placed in controlled substance territory so I'm not hating just someone made a thread about this so I feel I should be able to speak freely.

 

[PЯOVOSҬ]

I've also not seen *happy to see medically valid and backed up by solid data* any medical evidence that links sociopathic behaviour with use of mary jane.

 

[PЯOVOSҬ]

Post count shouldn't matter when it comes to being able to speak freely about something.

Agreed.

It "shouldn't"

I'm not hating on you if you choose to use it. Just saying what I think.

I don't use it.

So no harm no foul.

 

[Yowza]

Well, sociopathy is a behavioral aspect that may stem from a dissociative effect which in turn is linked to varying underlying hardware of the brain/electrical signals/biochemical interactions. New medication trials take forever going through various phases to a ridiculous degree I think which is why it's so difficult to get new medications or therapies (that could potentially be helpful) out on the market and conclusions still aren't made at least boldly just in case of potential liability.

Research it and draw your own conclusions on what is in the realm of probability is I think prudent.

 

[PЯOVOSҬ]

Well I have done that actually in relation to this and I am well aware of the clinical DSM -5 defintions for dissociative disorders and also aware of what the defintion of sociopathic behaviours are.

In general when someone puts forward an idea to me that they feel is valid I challenge it with a request for information to back their assertion.

 

[Yowza]

It is a cogent point to make. As you can tell, I said that's my opinion and what I think citing that there of course is some variance.

If your willing to keep an open mind, you'll see it's not just myself saying that. What points are you willing to accept to prove something is valid? If it occurs in all cases with 100% probability with not even the smallest amount variance or that there's always a point A to point B connection? Supplying information continuously just feeds the desire to nitpick citing other sources and goes on and on.

Furthermore, the DSM does a good job at classifying behaviours but in the end is just that, a checklist. It doesn't determine linkages to a certain substance necessarily.

I prefer to follow safety and prudence for myself. It isn't something I desire to take as I don't feel it will enhance my quality of life.

 

[PЯOVOSҬ]

Well of course as you would know opinion does not trump facts.

 

[Yowza]

The facts 100% refute this then?

It is a cogent point to make supported by reason I think.

 

[PЯOVOSҬ]

It would be prudent for you to check for yourself no?

 

[Yowza]

I'm not using it.

Yes, I have looked into it and that was a concern I had.

Biochemical studies are the place to look first. That's the nuts and bolts. The underlying scientic aspects of the compound as well as how it's metabolized and reacts with receptors in the brain is just the basic premise.

I will say this: From the basic premise just described, I think individualized approaches need to happen more in psychiatry and in clinical settings. Right now, a lot of laboratory methods are used to look at the aspects of a drugs and how it reacts within the brain mechanically speaking (not applying in a clinical setting on an individual basis enough I don't think). We just rely on subjective assessments with any compound which can create a wide variety of subjective feelings and behavioral effects (anatomical/metabolic/biochemical or even external influences on type of personality) that can influence the type of effect one experiences. Individualized approaches to assessing how people respond to certain substances in a clinical setting needs to take place on a wider scale I feel. Then we can more accurately say when it's being used clinically and when it's benifitting someone in what amount.

 

[PЯOVOSҬ]

I'm not using it either and I see it every week in my line of work (MJ and other illicit substances that is).

I have no ponies in this race as I do not smoke weed nor do I begrudge people using it for personal use.

 

[Yowza]

I added to my post above that people should be able to go to a doctor and get a more individualized treatment plan. I think that's the area we should be pushing as a society to better our health system so that people are able to choose the best option right for them?

I'll just leave it at that.