Let's not ride the bandwagon

[terry78]

Well, we're all taught pretty much across the board that when someone dies, regardless of what we thought of them, we're supposed to show some respect.

 

[The Batman]

What about those of us who think that TDK "isn't as good", because we legitimately don't think so?

That's your perogative, just as long as you dont act like people are brain dead followers because they think its THAT good.

I've seen TDK once, in theatres, and have had absolutely zero desire to ever watch the movie again.

I watched it three times in one day, and I never get bored of it. It all depends, dosent it?

X3 and Wolverine, however? I watch on a semi-regular basis, and start jonesing for them when I haven't seen them in awhile.

Yeah, you already know my thoughts on those...still, I tend to believe that having more of a rewatch factor dosent necessarily mean a films better.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Lumping people into the "bandwagon fan" category is going into some dark territory. Personally, I think it's irritatingly elitist and it is one of the most obvious examples of fandumb there is. Just because a recent upsurge in public interest over something inderectly causes someone to become a fan of it, that does not make them a "bandwagoner."

For example: I did not become a fan of Avatar until I saw a trailer for The Last Airbender. The movie looked awesome so I decided to check out the show. Now I love the show, even though I thought the movie was a big disappointment. Some people would say I was a "bandwagoner" because I was not a fan of ATLA before it was popular, but to those people I just say ****. I love Avatar, and I don't care about how much earlier you were a fan of it than me. You don't have the right to tell me what I can and can't be a fan of.

I don't think that your story makes you a bandwagon fan. Sure, you may not have become a fan of something until it was popular, but you checked it out for yourself and it was something that you legitimately enjoyed. That's not bandwagon.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Yeah, you already know my thoughts on those...still, I tend to believe that having more of a rewatch factor dosent necessarily mean a films better.

What do you mean by "better"?

Having a desire to watch it means it's more enjoyable - at least to me. I find more enjoyment out of watching X-Men: The Last Stand and X-Men Origins: Wolverine than I do Batman Begins or The Dark Knight.

So I guess it depends on what you mean by "better". Do you mean a better crafted film? Then I guess I would acknowledge that The Dark Knight is the "better" film, as it entails better filmmaking qualities. But I find the purpose of movies is to entertain, and if I am not entertained by something, then even if it was well crafted, it didn't do it's job. So under that definition, I would say that X-Men: The Last Stand and X-Men Origins: Wolverine are better movies. Not to say that I wasn't entertained by The Dark Knight - I did enjoy the movie. Just not to the level that everyone else does.

 

[The Batman]

What do you mean by "better"?

Having a desire to watch it means it's more enjoyable - at least to me. I find more enjoyment out of watching X-Men: The Last Stand and X-Men Origins: Wolverine than I do Batman Begins or The Dark Knight.

So I guess it depends on what you mean by "better". Do you mean a better crafted film? Then I guess I would acknowledge that The Dark Knight is the "better" film, as it entails better filmmaking qualities. But I find the purpose of movies is to entertain, and if I am not entertained by something, then even if it was well crafted, it didn't do it's job. So under that definition, I would say that X-Men: The Last Stand and X-Men Origins: Wolverine are better movies. Not to say that I wasn't entertained by The Dark Knight - I did enjoy the movie. Just not to the level that everyone else does.

I guess we kinda see it differently, then. For example, I watch "Batman The Movie" more than either TDK, Spider-Man 2, or Superman The Movie, not because its better, but because its easier to digest. I often choose to watch things on a whim, so as much as I enjoy those three films more than Batman the Movie, if I just feel like wasting time, i'll pop in batman the movie.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I guess we kinda see it differently, then. For example, I watch "Batman The Movie" more than either TDK, Spider-Man 2, or Superman The Movie, not because its better, but because its easier to digest. I often choose to watch things on a whim, so as much as I enjoy those three films more than Batman the Movie, if I just feel like wasting time, i'll pop in batman the movie.

Well I think that's a different regard altogether. My favorite movies period are the LOTR trilogy, but I don't watch them nearly as often as I do other movies simply because they are so long, and I don't have the time. And I suppose I do understand to an extent the "easier to digest" argument. Even with that though, there are movies that perhaps aren't as "easy to digest" as others, but when I watch them, the level of enjoyment that I get from them is obvious. While The Dark Knight might not be as "easy to digest" as say, X-Men Origins: Wolverine, when I watched it, it was enjoyable but I wasn't just enthralled by it. I feel that if Heath Ledger wasn't in The Dark Knight, it'd be a pretty average movie. When I think of that movie, I think "Ledger was a badass Joker", and that's about all I think of. But I'd probably watch The Dark Knight before I watched, say, Inception, because The Dark Knight is "easier to digest", even though I think that Inception is the better film.

 

[Lunar_Wolf]

edig

 

[CelticPredator]

As someone who never reads comic books, saw Spider-Man opening night, is a fan of the second as well, and considers Sam Raimi to be my favorite director of all time, I hated Spider-Man 3. It was horrible. I didnt hate it because everyone else did. I hated it because it was a stupid film.

Do I still love Sam Raimi? Yes I do. Drag Me to Hell was amazing. I'll still see everything he does.

I also thought X-3 was terrible..and so is Brett Ratner..., Ghost Rider was awful, as was the PT. I used to love them, but then I got past the age of 13, and realized they were pretty terrible.

I mean, when you look at a film that's hated by many, but you loved it, you tend to ask ''Why is this hated?", if you can watch the movie with the idea it's terrible, and still come out enjoying it, then you really do like it....but if you watch it, and those flaws become so apperent, and so in your face...it ruins the film for you...I dunno. I dont think that's quite bandwagoning. You did look at it, and you judged it differently, and now your opinion changed. It happens.

Sorry for teh rambles...I was up all night.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Well, we're all taught pretty much across the board that when someone dies, regardless of what we thought of them, we're supposed to show some respect.

There's an easy way to go about that-if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all. I was never fond of Ronald Reagan and I didn't change my attitude when he died. I was never a fan of Tupac or Biggie. So in the wake of their deaths, I simply didn't chime in. I think that's better than false respect.

 

[Chris Wallace]

I don't think that your story makes you a bandwagon fan. Sure, you may not have become a fan of something until it was popular, but you checked it out for yourself and it was something that you legitimately enjoyed. That's not bandwagon.

No that's how many people become legitimate fans. You heard something about this song, movie, book, TV show, what have you, and checked it out for yourself. Some people check things out because they hear bad things about it and want to see what all the fuss is about. That's perfectly fine. Being influenced by the bandwagon to experience something is totally acceptable. Letting them form your opinion of said matter after (or BEFORE) the fact is not.

 

[redmarvel]

I prefer riding the band wagon then walking in the parade with the marching band that's behind the horses... who needs that **** on their feet.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Mr. Wallace, what don't you hate?

[A] reincarnated

 

[misjuevos]

this thread ironically is the definition of bandwagon itself, lol. everyone comes out to say they aren't on the bandwagon,lol. movies music etc. are subjective, you like what you like.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Mr. Wallace, what don't you hate?

[A] reincarnated

Plenty.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

As someone who never reads comic books, saw Spider-Man opening night, is a fan of the second as well, and considers Sam Raimi to be my favorite director of all time, I hated Spider-Man 3. It was horrible. I didnt hate it because everyone else did. I hated it because it was a stupid film.

Do I still love Sam Raimi? Yes I do. Drag Me to Hell was amazing. I'll still see everything he does.

I also thought X-3 was terrible..and so is Brett Ratner..., Ghost Rider was awful, as was the PT. I used to love them, but then I got past the age of 13, and realized they were pretty terrible.

I mean, when you look at a film that's hated by many, but you loved it, you tend to ask ''Why is this hated?", if you can watch the movie with the idea it's terrible, and still come out enjoying it, then you really do like it....but if you watch it, and those flaws become so apperent, and so in your face...it ruins the film for you...I dunno. I dont think that's quite bandwagoning. You did look at it, and you judged it differently, and now your opinion changed. It happens.

Sorry for teh rambles...I was up all night.

Let's be clear - just because you like / dislike something that's "bandwagon", doesn't make you bandwagon.

I am an Orlando Magic fan. Currently, one of the elite teams in the NBA. I am not a bandwagon fan - I liked the team way back in the 90's when they had Penny and Shaq. I liked the team after Penny and Shaq when we had no superstars on the roster. I liked the team after T-Mac and Grant Hill were signed. I liked the team during Grant Hill's ankle injuries, during a league worst 21-61 season, during T-Mac's defection, and throughout Dwight Howard's growing pains. I always have been, and always will be, an Orlando Magic fan.

Just because someone hates X-Men 3, or LOVES The Dark Knight doesn't mean they are following the bandwagon. However, it's rather naive to state that there aren't people who follow those opinions because of the bandwagon behind them.

 

[SWAT]

I've been accused of traveling on the bandwagon on these boards before, even though I've had my own reasons for not liking something. So instead of accusing someone of being a sheep, just remember that most people have opinions.

 

[CelticPredator]

Oh, there are bandwagoners. Look at Twilight. :lol

I did bandwagon on the hate train for a while...then I actually watched one of teh movies. So...my opinion didnt change. Heh.

 

[SuperFerret]

I've been accused of traveling on the bandwagon on these boards before, even though I've had my own reasons for not liking something. So instead of accusing someone of being a sheep, just remember that most people have opinions.

And most of those opinions are wrong.

 

[terry78]

I think you need to give a plausible reason why you hate something, which is what a lot of people tend not to do. You ask them why and their answer is "because, that's why."

 

[LegendaryCaleb]

The Heat are becoming annoying...
Some of my "friends" on facebook are now super fans...yeah right...

 

[Paradoxium]

t:

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

This is all I have to say about the Heat:

 

[Paradoxium]

 

[katie_girl09]

Yeah, they're going to reboot X-Men so that we'll never see Gambit again! It's all a part of my evil plan.

Since we're talking about bandwagoning, I'd like to question the world's fascination with the book "The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo" and its sequels. I didn't read the book but I saw the film. It was nothing more than a mediocre mystery story. What's the big f'in deal?

I suspect that it may have something to do with the author's untimely death. Things/people become more beloved when associated with death (i.e. people who hated Michael suddenly loving him, James Dean, Princess Diana, etc.). Something about the whole "unrealized potential" angle.

 

[Cmill216]

Bandwagoning is claiming you're a Saints fan when a year ago you couldn't spell Drew Brees.

Bashing Spider-Man 3, on the other hand, is not bandwagoning. It's just being sensible.