Let's Play the Blame Game

[LightningFlash]

Those weren't quite acting problems as much as they were writing ones.

Can't really have great acting if there isn't great writing though...much like a lose-lose situation.

 

[I Am The Knight]

It obvious what happened here. Spider-man 2 was an amazing film, but it was less successful than SM1. Even though it was the best-reviewed superhero film ever at that time, the studio must have felt there was too little action with the one villain. So they filled the movie with crap, losing any kind of story focus, in order to sell more tickets and toys.

I blame Arad, Ziskin, and the studio for doing this. I blame Raimi for allowing it and giving a half-assed effort.

I dramatized this scenario in another thread somewhere

 

[Grievous]

if they just would of saved Venom and maybe Carnage for SM4 would would be in good shape right now.

 

[American_Hobo]

if they just would of saved Venom and maybe Carnage for SM4 would would be in good shape right now.

True.
Imagine if Spiderman 3 ended with cliffhanger of Eddie Brock becoming Venom?
That would've brought heck lot of hypes among fans.
But instead, we got 15 minutes of Venom with Topher's face most of the time and he just had to die (Thank you, Raimi)

 

[Chris Wallace]

Well, seeing how I liked the movie, I can't point figures at anybody except Arad for forcing Venom in, rather than leaving it be. I liked Venom, but with his screen time he should have survived.

But mostly, I blame the fanboys. Most are nitpicky and are not ever happy no matter what we get. The film was too hyped and no matter how good it was, fanboys were gonna be let down.

I agree, but also this goes back to my argument about demanding a trilogy.

 

[LightningFlash]

The "trilogy" was meant for the Osborns, more or less.

But with Nolan's movies, Batman Begins and The Dark Knight, there's not a "feel" for a third movie...which is why I wouldn't be mad if Nolan didn't make a third one.

But, Raimi, yes...he had to...he had Harry find Spidey's identity and found his father's serum.

 

[NewYorkSpider]

If you cut out the dance scenes, MJ singing and throw in more character development for Eddie Brock, SM3 is a good movie. I just can't stand some of the stuff they did in it. I thought Venom looked great, just a poor build up to the ending.

 

[ClarkLuther55]

I put most of the blame on the fanboys. Avi Arad may have forced Raimi into doing Venom, but Arad was just looking out for what the fanboys wanted (because that's where the money is). Just because the fanboys ended up disappointed doesn't mean they didn't get what they were asking for. They just didn't understand the implications of their stupid Venom wish.

As I recall, the fanboys were already calling for Venom in the FIRST movie. That's how blinded they were by their love of Venom.

Be careful what you wish for. A good superhero movie is a good movie, not one that artificially crams in whatever comic character you can think of.

 

[Adrian89]

What the SM Series need is a New Cast, a New Director, a New Producer etc. In other words a completely NEW Crew!

Regarding this Topic, you all put the blame on Arad, as if the Movie sucked because Venom was in it or what?!? Surely, Arad has it's part of the blame for being "brainwashed" by the brainless geek fans who wanted Venom in a time when he wasn't needed, but Raimi is to blame aswell for giving us a completely average Movie filled with Drama and other useless bull combined with childish situations and other laughable things. Ziskin is really overrated and the Cast..let's see, James Franco was the only one who deserves to be praised because he did a good job.
Tobey Maguire brought is another DULL Spiderman/Parker with no carisma, only that this time he wasn't even in top shape either - shame! He is a decent to good actor, but he missunderstood the Peter Parker character.
Kirsten Dunst - despite the fact that she is not such a good actress, he was everything but Mary Jane in all 3 Movies, especially 2 & 3.
Whoever wrote the characters failed misserably on the 2 most important characters in the Spider Univers: Peter & MJ and has part of the blame aswell! Maybe with Vanderbilt on the 4th installment, things may change.

 

[Trevor Goodchild]

So who's more the fool - those who led or those who followed?
Fanboys - Arad+Ziskin - Raimi+writers?
If you’re under pressure, there’s no one else to blame for your inability to make and stick to your own calculated decisions.

T-101, I agree with you on almost everything except the acting.
I believe an actor is only as good as the script and almost all of the Spidey cast did their best with what they were given. Otherwise I too couldn't stand how they treated Peter and MJ for the most part.

 

[LightningFlash]

Even though Flint Marko's storyline was below average, Thomas Haden Church is a great actor, so I would say THC and James Franco were the two that kept the movie going.

 

[Adrian89]

So who's more the fool - those who led or those who followed?
Fanboys - Arad+Ziskin - Raimi+writers?
If you’re under pressure, there’s no one else to blame for your inability to make and stick to your own calculated decisions.

T-101, I agree with you on almost everything except the acting.
I believe an actor is only as good as the script and almost all of the Spidey cast did their best with what they were given. Otherwise I too couldn't stand how they treated Peter and MJ for the most part.

I guess we agree on everything then, after all Maguire is a good actor, it's not really his fault because of the way they wrote his character, like you said.

Even though Flint Marko's storyline was below average, Thomas Haden Church is a great actor, so I would say THC and James Franco were the two that kept the movie going.

Thomas is a very good actor indeed, but his acting skills haven't got the chance to be revealed in SM3 because the role of Flint Marko/Sandman doesn't take great acting skills. Nevertheless, I've seen Thomas in alot of other movies and I agree with you, he is very goo!

 

[LightningFlash]

Check him out on Smart People...he's brilliant in it.

Also...so much hate on the Butler, he was awesome in S-M 3.

"A guest? A guest?"

 

[Adrian89]

I will!

They are mad about the Butler most likely because he knew about Norman's death, but he told Harry very late. If he would've done it earlier, none of those things wouldn't have happned. Although that's how it's suppost to happened, the way they wrote it made The Butler look stupid.

 

[LightningFlash]

But the Butler wasn't stupid...he tried to get Harry to stop from his obsession in the second movie with little hints here and there...sure, two and a half years is probably too long, but it was just in time because Harry had started to take the serum...he wasn't a threat beforehand.

 

[Adrian89]

No, no! I just said they made him look stupid!