Logan LOGAN - Early Reactions and Reviews Thread

[Ryan1210]

singer has made 1 less than stellar x men film in the past 16 years

Too bad people tend to forget that

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

X2 does not hold up. Alot of stuff that impressed me on the first showing seem cheesy and forced now.

Watching DOFP again this week. I'm pretty sure it's still one of the best superhero movies.

 

[The Endless]

singer has made 1 less than stellar x men film in the past 16 years

Hes made 4 films. One is garbage and 2 of them were at the turn of the century. The X franchise needs a fresh vision. Not the same old civil rights metaphors and cardboard cut outs with super powers. The concept of the X-Men is about indivualism. Apart from 3 or 4 characters never succeeded with this, even with his better films.

 

[ImSGirl95]

Indeed. Singer definitelly needs to go. I would be amazed if he is given X-Men: Supernova.
And to be honest, I really think that the whole creative crew has to go ... Kinberg, Donner, Singer, etc ... Start from fresh. Get new producers, writers and a director. Somebody who loves the X-Men for what they are.

 

[The Endless]

Yes. Well said. They should take this opportunity to start fresh. Get some new voices in. Try to get Vaughan back who worked miracles in such a small time frame.

 

[iacobusleo]

Hes made 4 films. One is garbage and 2 of them were at the turn of the century.

So? They're still good stories, even if a bit dated technically. Claremont's stories are HORRIBLY dated, but people still love and respect them.

I think its best that Singer goes too, but let's have a little respect for the past and not rewrite history to say that ALL the movies were bad, like so many others seem to be doing.

 

[The Endless]

So? They're still good stories, even if a bit dated technically. Claremont's stories are HORRIBLY dated, but people still love and respect them.

I think its best that Singer goes too, but let's have a little respect for the past and not rewrite history to say that ALL the movies were bad, like so many others seem to be doing.

Oh I know they're good. And he deserves respect for helping to usher in the golden age of cbms.

What I'm saying is, his time is over. What worked in the early 2000s isn't going to work today.

 

[JEM]

Indeed. Singer definitelly needs to go. I would be amazed if he is given X-Men: Supernova.
And to be honest, I really think that the whole creative crew has to go ... Kinberg, Donner, Singer, etc ... Start from fresh. Get new producers, writers and a director. Somebody who loves the X-Men for what they are.

Yes. Well said. They should take this opportunity to start fresh. Get some new voices in. Try to get Vaughan back who worked miracles in such a small time frame.

This situation is very sad and frustrating. Like Deadpool, people think Logan is an independant film and Donner, Kinberg, and Fox have nothing to do with that.

Drew Mcweeny said Donner worked hard for year to create a X-Men Universe but she was blocked by Rothman. You didn't see her because she had cancer but she fought with Reynolds to make Deadpool happen. She tried to make New Mutants, Gambit or extended X-Men world for year too.
Beside, she was on the set of Legion everyday to make it work.

Deadpool writer praise Kinberg many time and said without him, Deadpool wouldn't have been made. He convinced Fox to make R- Rated Deadpool and fought in order to protect Reynolds and Miller 'vision. A producer can kill a film but Kinberg was their protector.

People praised Legion but forget Kinberg was instrumental too. Noah Hawley isn't a fanboy and it was Kinberg who brought him in Legion because they are friend and wanted to work together.

Mangold could make the movie he wanted because Fox trust Kinberg, Donner, Singer and co. It' s how Fox and Emma Watts work. The biggest injustice is her because she is responsable for the new regime in Fox (FC trilogy, Planet Apes Trilogy, Logan, Deadpool, Martien, Gone Girl,The Fault in Our Stars, Kingsman ect...) Now, she is Vice Chairman (well deserved) but fan need to kiss her BIG TIME.

Donner, Kinberg, Singer, Manglod, Reynolds, Noah Hawley, Emma Watts ect ... all deserved the praise to take risk and make very good movie.
The model is simple, Kinberg and co choose a director, protect his vision and Fox trust them. It 's why you could have movie like Logan.

 

[Weather Witch]

TIME Magazine decided that not only they'd give this film a rotten review, but they'd also include spoilers in their Rotten Tomatoes blurb. Not amused. The fact that we're still at 96% is impressive though.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Amazes me the crap Singer gets when he was instrumental in getting this franchise made and the CBM boom. He has also, up to Logan anyway, had involvement in 3 of the best movies in the franchise.

And Apocalypse was far from garbage, I actually really enjoyed it and know a good few others who did also. They just should have spent an extra year on it and released it this year.

But anyway, back to Logan, Mangold is awesome and he looks like he put real passion into this movie.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Singer has made good X-Men movies even if they often loosely touch on the source, and he contributed to FC also.

 

[Stan Lee]

What was missing from Apocalypse was that we needed to see more of the horsemen's devotion to Apocalypse and a better directed good vs evil battle.

That is what made the original story so awesome.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Hes made 4 films. One is garbage and 2 of them were at the turn of the century. The X franchise needs a fresh vision. Not the same old civil rights metaphors and cardboard cut outs with super powers. The concept of the X-Men is about indivualism. Apart from 3 or 4 characters never succeeded with this, even with his better films.

What do you mean by individualism?

How are the best X-men story arcs about individualism instead of civil rights and social justice?

 

[Stan Lee]

There are certainly aspects that he made better than the comics like Jean Grey and Xavier.

Also, how no one really compares the films he's made to the stories that they are based on?

 

[kguillou]

Here's my mindset, I think its time for Bryan to go but not because I think he's done a bad job, I've enjoyed ALL of his X-Men films. Yes, even Apocalypse, which, IMO, I think people really need to chill out on, its a solid, but flawed movie with a charming cast and solid performances and some of the best geek out moments in any of the X-men films that made my inner 90's X-man fan squeal and made up for the bad X-films. I honestly feel like if that movie came out 5 years ago it would have gotten a drastically different reception.

I just think it's time for a fresh voice is all. Singer's started this superhero movie thing and he deserves a break and I think the X-men could use a fresh look and direction. We're in a new era of superhero movies, in this post MCU and DCEU era where the colorfulness and comicbooky-ness is embraced and can be pulled off. I wanna see Jim Lee's X-men fully realized on the big screen in a ll its colorful glory and I think it can be done.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Its fair to say no matter who you bring onboard to work on X-Men they will respect Singers vision of this universe even if they add their own touch to it like Vaughn did.

 

[Weather Witch]

Here's my mindset, I think its time for Bryan to go but not because I think he's done a bad job, I've enjoyed ALL of his X-Men films. Yes, even Apocalypse, which, IMO, I think people really need to chill out on, its a solid, but flawed movie with charming performances and some of the best geek out moments in any of the X-men films that made my inner 90's X-man fan squeal and made up for the bad X-films. I honestly feel like if that movie came out 5 years ago it would have gotten a drastically different reception.

I just think it's time for a fresh voice is all. Singer's started this superhero movie thing and he deserves a break and I think the X-men could use a fresh look and direction. We're in a new era of superhero movies, in this post MCU and DCEU era where the colorfulness and comicbooky-ness is embraced and can be pulled off. I wanna see Jim Lee's X-men fully realized on the big screen in a ll its colorful glory and I think it can be done.

I agree with all of this, however I also think that GuestStar is right and that a new director won't just ignore everything that came before it. However a new director bringing his own touch like First Class, but with the cast from Apocalypse and a new visual style... that's a movie I want to watch right now. t:

 

[JEM]

What the point about Singer move one? He will not direct the next X-Men movie. I have no problem if he is producer and part of the creative team. He was on FC set everyday but Vaughn insert his style and it feels fresh.

Next movie are New Mutants, Deadpool 2, Gambit, Supernova and they will have the own style too.

 

[The Endless]

What do you mean by individualism?

How are the best X-men story arcs about individualism instead of civil rights and social justice?

The characters are supposed to be strong individuals defined by their personalities, not their powers. How many great characters have been completely wasted under Singer?

In the comics whilst they have the X-Men uniforms they are all unique to the individual. Whereas in the films they all have the same generic look to them.

As for the civil rights thing? Yea it's important to the X-Men. But not every single damn story.

 

[GuestStar2004]

What the point about Singer move one? He will not direct the next X-Men movie. I have no problem if he is producer and part of the creative team. He was on FC set everyday but Vaughn insert his style and it feels fresh.

Next movie are New Mutants, Deadpool 2, Gambit, Supernova and they will have the own style too.

The movies won't be identical but obviously no one is gonna come onboard and treat the next X-Men like nothing came before it because even if you don't include the OT in it now you do have FC,DOFP and Apocalypse still there.

And i ain't just talking about X-Men either, Deadpool 2 has a new director but are you expecting they will move away from DP 1?

 

[X-Maniac]

I agree with all of this, however I also think that GuestStar is right and that a new director won't just ignore everything that came before it. However a new director bringing his own touch like First Class, but with the cast from Apocalypse and a new visual style... that's a movie I want to watch right now. t:

Quite honestly, a new director needs to ignore everything that came before.

Mystique leading the X-Men? An undeveloped Storm (AGAIN!)? Beast still not looking right? Magneto let off the hook for almost destroying the world? An overpowered Quicksilver? A great but near-absent Jubilee? An Angel who got drunk and then died? A Psylocke who was hopelessly underused and undercharacterised? Poor make-up? Poor special FX? Bad wirework? Just one or two characters with personalities while the rest are wallpaper?

Seriously, who wants any more of that crap?

It needs rebuilding from the ground up.

 

[JEM]

We aren't in reboot territory so directorS will have some limitationS. But they can have the own style like Mission Impossible or Alien franchise. I think it could be a good things for X-Men Universe.

 

[Stan Lee]

Quite honestly, a new director needs to ignore everything that came before.

Mystique leading the X-Men? An undeveloped Storm (AGAIN!)? Beast still not looking right? Magneto let off the hook for almost destroying the world? An overpowered Quicksilver? A great but near-absent Jubilee? An Angel who got drunk and then died? A Psylocke who was hopelessly underused and undercharacterised? Poor make-up? Poor special FX? Bad wirework? Just one or two characters with personalities while the rest are wallpaper?

Seriously, who wants any more of that crap?

It needs rebuilding from the ground up.

To be fair both of those are true to the original story.

 

[AlluAllu]

My problem with future X-Men films is that DOTFP showed a happy future. Of course with 97 % of superhero media we can expect a happy ending, but now we know that for sure.

 

[kguillou]

Well it seems like Logan may be disproving the whole happy future thing if this is considered canon ( note i havent seen the movie, im just assuming lol)