Logan LOGAN - Early Reactions and Reviews Thread

[X-Maniac]

I'm sorry, but that's really just grasping at straws.

Both those weather effects needed enhancing in my view.

They also would've polished a lot of good things out of the movie. Heck the Disney version of DOFP would not have been half the movie we actually got.

I'm not saying the Disney/Marvel superhero movies are perfect but they are better at pacing, special FX and showcasing superpowered action. DoFP just needed a bit more enhancement...

Maybe that's why Fox hasn't even confirmed that 'Supernova' as a working title is actually a thing.

Maybe but, after seeing Apocalypse, do you really think Fox could pull off a Dark Phoenix Saga? For instance, the make-up/prosthetics needed for the otherworldly Shi'ar, Starjammers, Imperial Guard? I feel like Apocalypse pushed things to the limits with regards to make-up, special FX and costuming on the X-Men series. If you're gonna do epic fantasy, you need a director like Cameron or Ridley Scott, or you need a studio like Disney. Maybe we just saw Singer's own limitations?

Which, if that's true, is an interesting and balsy move that Disney never would pull off. Just like the rest of this entire movie that we're supposed to be discussing in this thread. Or Deadpool or most of the recent Fox movies other than Apocalypse. Now we'll see what happens in Supernova when that time comes, but for now Logan is still at 97% on Rotten Tomatoes.

That's great for Logan, though it remains to be seen if that rating sticks and what the opening weekend is, and the mainstream reception.

I'm interested to see it, but it doesn't sound like it leaves excitement for what's coming next, because it's a grand finale to the franchise. And I don't know if a subsequently announced 90s prequel will seem very enticing either. Let's see what happens.

 

[Bren]

Some really good early reaction comments going on in the past few pages, quality stuff!

Not really.

 

[Weather Witch]

i would say the battles we got in film version of DOFP were more exciting than ones in comic.fox did terrable when they under rothman did half ass version of dark phoenix in last stand but did great when they adapted dark phoenix.

Kevin feige himself has said marvel studios will never go dark.that isn't even
a bash.that is quoting him.just as he himself has flat out said X-men coming to MCU like spider-man isn't happening.Days of future past is dark story.

audences and critics responded well to days of future past.and it now sounds like at least criticly Logan has topped DOFP.

Yes to all of the above. This seemed to be a story that really fit what Fox was doing with X-Men in general and Logan is another great match with the people working behind it.

Both those weather effects needed enhancing in my view.

I'm sure there were VFX that could be better in DOFP, just like in any movie, including Civil War for example. But that is the last thing I was thinking about while watching the movie and nowhere near enough to justify the things we'd lose if Disney would adapt this story. I really don't mean to bash on Disney, I do enjoy the MCU really, but it would just not be the movie I want. This version was.

I'm not saying the Disney/Marvel superhero movies are perfect but they are better at pacing, special FX and showcasing superpowered action. DoFP just needed a bit more enhancement...

I'm not sure if I agree on pacing, but VFX and powers is something that looks better in the MCU, it's true. Also not disagreeing that things like flying for example look ten times better in the MCU. But that doesn't make the action more exciting. I am still way more invested in things like the Sentinel attack, Nightcrawler attack or Quicksilver scenes. There is more to an action scene than just looking pretty. MCU action scenes are a lot prettier, but they also lack a certain spark for me.

Maybe but, after seeing Apocalypse, do you really think Fox could pull off a Dark Phoenix Saga?

Yes. Because Apocalypse is neither the first or the only movie in the franchise.

That's great for Logan, though it remains to be seen if that rating sticks and what the opening weekend is, and the mainstream reception.

Yeah it is going to be interesting seeing how that goes, but so far things look extremely promising.

Let's see what happens.

Good idea.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Spot on again DA Crowe. I love the MCU but it's all starting to feel a bit same to me. I love that Fox can give us something like Logan.



There would be plenty of worries with Marvel doing the DPS though. They can't seem to do a decent villain outside of Loki, and they never go dark enough with their movies or villains. I am terrified for Thanos as I don't want them to screw him up. But already there are rumours death won't Be involved. Probably because it scares kids. MCU movies also have bad CGI and wire work in them and they never have any stakes, you never fear the good guys won't triumph.

Personally I would much rather see a Fox Dark Phoenix Saga than an MCU one these days.

X-men and avengers are different beasts entirely.since 1970's X-Men has been even in comics a darker and serious title than much others.one problem with adopting X-Men into animation was sometimes they had to water down the stories like proteus and the violence and death that comes with X-Men.

you absoletly right when it comes to villains.Red skull,ultron,and zemo all come to mind.since as far as marvel goes i was always into X-Men and spider-man more.i have 616 avengers comics but i never really read anything with Thanois in it.if future trailers can change my mind on MCU spider-man that would be helpful otherwise for me to see Infinity war it will depend on MCU characters i like primarly cap.to those who say they are tired of wolverine i feel even strongly about Stark.

There are many advantages to X-Men being seperate from marvel studios.James Mangold has a much freer hand with this film than he would have at marvel studios.a r rated and dark film like this would never have been made there.and there is none trying to force characters in there or setting up further films down the line.

Like days of future past dark phoenix would never be done at marvel.

 

[Frankeh]

Personally I would much rather see a Fox Dark Phoenix Saga than an MCU one these days.

How so? They already fumbled it once and don't tell me they won't again because Rothman is gone, FF (reboot) happened without Rothman and so did Apocalypse.

I will not deny I will be excited for Dark Phoenix 2.0 (if an actual director films it, not Kinberg), but there's no guarantee that FOX will deliver.

 

[Stan Lee]

Maybe we just saw Singer's own limitations?

According to an interview months prior to the film's release he did say the film took a toll him.

 

[Stan Lee]

How so? They already fumbled it once and don't tell me they won't again because Rothman is gone, FF (reboot) happened without Rothman and so did Apocalypse.

I will not deny I will be excited for Dark Phoenix 2.0 (if an actual director films it, not Kinberg), but there's no guarantee that FOX will deliver.

Rothman was the one that hired Trank and AVEITWITHJAMON likes Apocalypse.

 

[Ryan1210]

Logan is premiering in Brazil right now.

"Luego de la primera película de X-Men, Bryan Singer, tomó grandes decisiones y abrió el camino" - HJ

 

[marvelrobbins]

Rothman was the one that hired Trank and AVEITWITHJAMON likes Apocalypse.

it was rothman who hired trank like you said so that film was set in motion back in 2012.

FF isn't X-men.Even Apocalypse isn't FF.none of their directors are as incompetent as trank was.

Singer isn't even directing next X-Men film.so 24/7 bashing of him by others comes off as being haters.There is going to be new director for supernova.

Apocalypse made 543 million worldwide.that means some people liked it.yes i will even admit there are probally people who liked last stand and origins
though they aren't vocal about it.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

How so? They already fumbled it once and don't tell me they won't again because Rothman is gone, FF (reboot) happened without Rothman and so did Apocalypse.

I will not deny I will be excited for Dark Phoenix 2.0 (if an actual director films it, not Kinberg), but there's no guarantee that FOX will deliver.

Marvel have fumbled Ultron, The Mandarin, Demon In A Bottle, Extremis and plenty of others. Let's not act like Marvel are perfect. There are never any stakes in their movies and they lack tension. They wouldn't do something as dark as DOFP never mind a good Dark Pheonix saga.

Fox did screw up Dark Pheonix with X3 but the whole movie was trash. They have done some very good movies since Rothman left and that includes stuff outside of the X-Men franchise like the Apes movies. I personally liked Apocalypse a lot, and much prefer it to the likes of AOU, TDW and Iron Man 2.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

X-men and avengers are different beasts entirely.since 1970's X-Men has been even in comics a darker and serious title than much others.one problem with adopting X-Men into animation was sometimes they had to water down the stories like proteus and the violence and death that comes with X-Men.

you absoletly right when it comes to villains.Red skull,ultron,and zemo all come to mind.since as far as marvel goes i was always into X-Men and spider-man more.i have 616 avengers comics but i never really read anything with Thanois in it.if future trailers can change my mind on MCU spider-man that would be helpful otherwise for me to see Infinity war it will depend on MCU characters i like primarly cap.to those who say they are tired of wolverine i feel even strongly about Stark.

There are many advantages to X-Men being seperate from marvel studios.James Mangold has a much freer hand with this film than he would have at marvel studios.a r rated and dark film like this would never have been made there.and there is none trying to force characters in there or setting up further films down the line.

Like days of future past dark phoenix would never be done at marvel.

Exactly, nail on head.

 

[Zarex]

There would be plenty of worries with Marvel doing the DPS though. They can't seem to do a decent villain outside of Loki, and they never go dark enough with their movies or villains. I am terrified for Thanos as I don't want them to screw him up. But already there are rumours death won't Be involved. Probably because it scares kids. MCU movies also have bad CGI and wire work in them and they never have any stakes, you never fear the good guys won't triumph.

The rumor is that Cate Blanchett's Hela will be filling death's role in Infinity War, joining quality cinematic MCU villains that include Loki, Obidiah Stane, Johann Schmidt, Alexander Pierce, Heinrich Zemo, the Winter Soldier, Nebula and Aldrich Killian. There's zero evidence the change had anything to do with the kiddies.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

The rumor is that Cate Blanchett's Hela will be filling death's role in Infinity War, joining quality cinematic MCU villains that include Loki, Obidiah Stane, Alexander Pierce, Heinrich Zemo, the Winter Soldier, Nebula and Aldrich Killian. There's zero evidence the change had anything to do with the kiddies.

Hela filling Death's role is not a change I am happy about personally. It makes Thanos pretty much a Thor villain when he is much, much more than that. Also I disagree with some you have in your list for 'quality' cinematic villains from Marvel.

 

[Zarex]

Hela filling Death's role is not a change I am happy about personally. It makes Thanos pretty much a Thor villain when he is much, much more than that. Also I disagree with some you have in your list for 'quality' cinematic villains from Marvel.

Swapping out the metaphysical embodiment of Death with the queen of the underworld played by Cate frickin Blanchett sounds ok to me. It doesn't make Thanos a Thor villain at all.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Swapping out the metaphysical embodiment of Death with the queen of the underworld played by Cate frickin Blanchett sounds ok to me. It doesn't make Thanos a Thor villain at all.

It's not a change I would be happy with personally, so agree to disagree. Blanche is great and I look forward to her Hela. But Death should be someone different and no reason another great actress couldn't play her.

 

[Samuron]

X-men and avengers are different beasts entirely.since 1970's X-Men has been even in comics a darker and serious title than much others.

This is precisely why the "Fox vs. Marvel" arguments are rather silly.

Marvel has shown their commitment to the characters, but the set that they have the rights to is the more "comic" collection. If they had the rights to the X-Men, I believe that both Wolverine and Dark Phoenix would receive proper treatment.

My problem with Fox is that they don't seem to be interested in making X-Men films so much as making Hugh Jackman Wolverine films. When I first heard they were going to do Days of Future Past, I was excited that they might finally be moving beyond making everything about Logan, but no.

 

[TWayneP]

This is precisely why the "Fox vs. Marvel" arguments are rather silly.

Marvel has shown their commitment to the characters, but the set that they have the rights to is the more "comic" collection. If they had the rights to the X-Men, I believe that both Wolverine and Dark Phoenix would receive proper treatment.

My problem with Fox is that they don't seem to be interested in making X-Men films so much as making Hugh Jackman Wolverine films. When I first heard they were going to do Days of Future Past, I was excited that they might finally be moving beyond making everything about Logan, but no.

Well DOFP wasn't about Logan, soo

 

[Frankeh]

I can already see what this is devolving to.

Maybe we should get back to Logan.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Well DOFP wasn't about Logan, soo

 

[DACrowe]

Days of Future Past was nominated for best special effects and showcase great teamwork in the future scenes against the sentinels.

Just because Apocalypse had some very bad green screen in the third act and didn't have a team until the very end doesn't erase that.

EDIT: We don't know for sure if the film is about Dark Phoenix. Singer hinted that the focus would be on the Proteus story.

Singer seems to be pretty hands off now. With a title like Supernova, I expect it to be headed toward space, though not necessarily the Phoenix Saga. Not the "dark" part, anyway.

Yes, I see people thinking Apocalypse's problems will carry over to Supernova. We don't know. Although, if Kinberg really writes it alone and then directs it too... I would be very worried. My hope is they have a new fresh voice like Matthew Vaughn (or maybe Vaughn himself!) waiting in the wings to do it. But time will tell.

 

[LoganGambit87]

so how about that logan movie.....

 

[GuestStar2004]

Production weekly lists the alternative title for X-Men Supernova as "Dark Phoenix" so we can guess its probably gonna be dark phoenix related

Singer seems to be pretty hands off now.

Can't really say that for sure since we don't know what his involvement with the franchise is at the moment since no one would have guessed he would have been directing a X-Men tv show pilot for FOX so there is much more going on behind the scenes then we know of.

 

[Samuron]

Well DOFP wasn't about Logan, soo

OK, fair enough, but they rewrote it with him as the link, which they didn't need to do.

Don't get me wrong; I love Jackman in the role, he owns it, and I am really stoked to see Logan. I just disagree with the whole "Marvel would never do that" cliche.

Sorry for the diversion; back to the movie.

 

[DACrowe]

You say all that but look at the Netflix shows, which are nothing at all like the movies. They are very dark, disturbing, bloody, graphic, psychological and and unnerving. It seems to me if you want the riskier more edgier content for the Marvel Universe, Netflix has a fix for that.

Let's also not forget just how laborious it was for Deadpool to actually happen the way it did. Deadpool was put on the backburner for years and it basically took Tom Rothman getting ousted and the concept reel getting leaked for it to finally happen.

Yes, Deadpool was put on the back burner for years by Rothman. Rothman is gone though and Deadpool, and now Logan, is the first major superhero from Marvel or DC (so not Kick-Ass and not non-superhero CBM fare like Sin City or 300) to be rated R. And it is changing the dynamics of the industry. That's a good thing, because competition inspires more risks from your preferred studios. I hope the success of Logan re-confirms to Marvel that you can make more adult superhero movies (they don't have to be R or gritty) and still have a hit.

Give credit where it's due.

Anyway, as for the Netflix shows, yes, I like the Netflix shows quite a bit. But I want to see risk taking done in the films. I still tend to prefer the moviegoing experience to most television, but Marvel films feel more like television to me. The Winter Soldier could have been on the level of TDK films, but you could tell they were holding back because they didn't want to stray too far from formula.

Formula is overrated. I want to see these characters be really challenged or go through unique adventures. Actually make that Captain America movie that is a spy film; actually make Doctor Strange a mysterious world into enigmatic mystic visions or ominous occult subcultures. Marvel Studios says they're doing these things, but they never fully execute it. Netflix/Marvel Television is, and that's great for TV. I just like to see it on the big screen too. Deadpool, Days of Future Past, and now apparently Logan are. The only meh X-Men movie of recent years is Apocalypse. And that was the one where Singer tried to duplicate Marvel to lesser effect.

IMHO, modern superhero stories started going wrong when they all tried to be like Frank Miller or Watchmen and they all wanted to tell these really adult, violent and provocative stories that it became desensitizing. I'm not saying it should never be done that way, but there has to be a balance.

I do agree with you here. I think you just explained what happened to the DCEU on film too. It wants to be Frank Miller, and I'm not sure that's even the right tone for an ongoing big screen Batman, much less Superman, and everything else. I just want movies that strive to be good movies.

 

[The Batman]

It's not an excuse, it's the truth lol. Chris Claremont didn't have him leading the team in God Loves, Man Kills which X2 was partly based on. I can see what they were going for n that movie.

Yeah, let's not pretend that Cyclops wasn't being a leader in GLMK.

At the end of the story, The X-Men confront Stryker and get into an argument with him on live TV. Guess who's doing most of the speaking and defending the mutant race? Answer: Cyclops.

At the end of the story, Xavier pretty much gives up on his own ideals. Guess who's the one who gets him to change his mind? Answer: Cyclops.

If anything, comparing GLMK to X2 just further highlights how Cyclops gets the shaft in these movies.