Logan Logan - news & discussion - Part 1

[DavidHaller]

I am pretty sure goldman didn't look through the script thinking an explanation to where the other X-Men are is needed with cameos...

He didn't need it with the wolverine so probably not.

but we still got a very clear explanation why Wolverine was not with the X-Men anymore in The Wolverine. Jean's spirit as Wolverine's symbolic loss was very present. They even finished the movie with Wolverine being again recruited by Xavier and Magneto after his short time in soletary after Jean's death.

So I also guess we will get (and deserve) an explanation why Wolverine is not with the X-Men anymore after Days of Future Past's ending. Especially if they are also using a second very important character from the franchise called Prof. Charles Xavier...

 

[GuestStar2004]

but we still got a very clear explanation why Wolverine was not with the X-Men anymore in The Wolverine. Jean's spirit as Wolverine's symbolic loss was very present. They even finished the movie with Wolverine being again recruited by Xavier and Magneto after his short time in soletary after Jean's death.

You got a sense of wolverines reasoning for going solo but you didn't need to hear what happened to rogue or about the X3 end credit scene was about, none of that mattered to the story

As for Xavier and magneto it has to be remembered that wasn't originally part of the film, wolverine was given a suitcase with the iconic outfit in it which presumably was gonna be a set up for another solo movie but that was cut out once tying it to DOFP become a thing and that was very late in the game

 

[X-Maniac]

It's just like the MCU - there's no need for every Avenger to be in the solo films. Just the characters that are needed. This film is trying to directly subvert the conventions of these large superhero blockbusters anyways, no need to stuff miscellaneous characters haphazardly. (esp. big characters like the main X-Men)

Knowing this franchise, they'd be better off not mentioning them if they're gonna end up contradicting themselves later on or making some drastic leap like this film anyways.

I do feel there is a need for a Feige-like overlord to keep the films in line. At the moment, no one seems to have a role with that much influence.

We're getting a new Caliban in 'Logan', just one movie after the XM:A version of Caliban. It's quite jarring. I really don't know why directors refuse to take the other films into account.

 

[Smilodon]

If Merchant is playing an older version of Tomas' Caliban, then it's not really a continuity error. Disappointing maybe, but nothing more than a recast. If he's still tracking mutants around the world as a Morlock, it's still the same deal. Mangold is probably taking Apocalypse into account, seeing how that Weapok X sequence was probably for him, but a small role being recast isn't some drastic continuity error, especially if he's the same character just older.

 

[GuestStar2004]

I can't see why it would be an older version when steven merchant is not exactly old enough to warrant the cast, unless the apocalypse actor said no to coming back

 

[Havok83]

This isn't necessarily a continuity error . IA that this could simply be a recast. Caliban was such a minor part of Apocalypse and he didn't die so there really isn't a reason why he can't be in this film

 

[marvelrobbins]

I do feel there is a need for a Feige-like overlord to keep the films in line. At the moment, no one seems to have a role with that much influence.

We're getting a new Caliban in 'Logan', just one movie after the XM:A version of Caliban. It's quite jarring. I really don't know why directors refuse to take the other films into account.

well let's remember that while they were filming the wolverine they were planning to erase that film with DOFP.

 

[GuestStar2004]

This isn't necessarily a continuity error . IA that this could simply be a recast. Caliban was such a minor part of Apocalypse and he didn't die so there really isn't a reason why he can't be in this film

A recast for what reason though? tómas Lemarquis is 39, steven merchant it 41, its hardly an ageable recast.

Did mangold feel tómas Lemarquis wasn't good enough?

 

[DavidHaller]

wasn't this whole, horrible Wolverine scene in X-Men: Apocalypse done so it would relate to "Logan" and show that Wolverine also went through Weapon X in this timeline? There was absolutely no other reason for this terrible scene.

I think Singer also said that Mangold came to set to see Canibal, right? So I guess there is something planned...

 

[X-Maniac]

This isn't necessarily a continuity error . IA that this could simply be a recast. Caliban was such a minor part of Apocalypse and he didn't die so there really isn't a reason why he can't be in this film

It is not a continuity error. It's a deliberate choice to contradict something that has already been done.

It's why we have had two Emma Frosts, two Trasks, two Sabretooths, two Jubilees, three Angels (two male, one female), etc.

Each director just wants to do whatever they want, regardless of the other films. Then people wonder why Fox gets such a hard time from the fans and critics over continuity.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Wouldn't surprise me if mangold visited the set to see what singer was doing with the character but then when it came to writing the script they released the character they wanted probably wouldn't work with the apocalypse version of the character.

 

[marvelrobbins]

wasn't this whole, horrible Wolverine scene in X-Men: Apocalypse done so it would relate to "Logan" and show that Wolverine also went through Weapon X in this timeline? There was absolutely no other reason for this terrible scene.

I think Singer also said that Mangold came to set to see Canibal, right? So I guess there is something planned...

it was probally done so singer could direct jackman one last time.and the last thing of weapon X with wolverine would be in one of his films t:

the post credit scene was all about setting up sinister and his company getting vials of wolverine's blood which creates X-23 in this film.

 

[Mike Murdock]

three Angels (two male, one female)

Uh, Angel Salvatore isn't the same as Angel (Warren Worthington). She wasn't even intended to be.

 

[X-Maniac]

Uh, Angel Salvatore isn't the same as Angel (Warren Worthington). She wasn't even intended to be.

You miss the point. They added an early X-Men member called Angel in First Class (she chooses 'Angel' as her codename during the discussions they have in the movie, so forget the Salvadore part). So we now have three characters called Angel.

It's a symptom of an undeniable lack of overarching thought/planning.

 

[Weather Witch]

I'm loving all these @Wponx pictures. It's a nice way to build hype without actually giving a lot away. I really love all the mystery surrounding this movie general.

So we now have three characters called Angel.

Three characters, portrayed by five actors actually. There is a young Warren in X3, adult Warren in X3, Angel Salvadore (or Tempest) in First Class, Angel Dust in Deadpool, and teen Warren from Apocalypse.
All five were just refered to as Angel.

 

[X-Maniac]

I'm loving all these @Wponx pictures. It's a nice way to build hype without actually giving a lot away. I really love all the mystery surrounding this movie general.

Three characters, portrayed by five actors actually. There is a young Warren in X3, adult Warren in X3, Angel Salvadore (or Tempest) in First Class, Angel Dust in Deadpool, and teen Warren from Apocalypse.
All five were just refered to as Angel.

Hmmm... yes, I momentarily forgot about 'Angel' in Deadpool. They do love their Angels in this franchise, don't they? Wonder if there will be another one in 'Logan'....lol

 

[GuestStar2004]

You miss the point. They added an early X-Men member called Angel in First Class (she chooses 'Angel' as her codename during the discussions they have in the movie, so forget the Salvadore part). So we now have three characters called Angel.

It's a symptom of an undeniable lack of overarching thought/planning.

Yeah her first name is angel but she isn't meant to be a female version of warren so it doesn't really count in the same way as say having Angel in X3 and another angel in Apocalypse who both have bird wings and are obviously meant to be the same character.

 

[Weather Witch]

Hmmm... yes, I momentarily forgot about 'Angel' in Deadpool. They do love their Angels in this franchise, don't they? Wonder if there will be another one in 'Logan'....lol

Maybe Thomas Halloway? t:

Yeah the name might be the same since her first name is actually Angel but she isn't meant to be a female version of warren so it doesn't really count in the same way as say having Angel in X3 and another angel in apocalypse who both have bird wings and are obviously meant to be the same character.

This is also true.

 

[Havok83]

A recast for what reason though? tómas Lemarquis is 39, steven merchant it 41, its hardly an ageable recast.

Did mangold feel tómas Lemarquis wasn't good enough?

I dont know. Im not the director. You assume the recast was bc of age when that may have nothing to do with it

It is not a continuity error. It's a deliberate choice to contradict something that has already been done.

It's why we have had two Emma Frosts, two Trasks, two Sabretooths, two Jubilees, three Angels (two male, one female), etc.

Each director just wants to do whatever they want, regardless of the other films. Then people wonder why Fox gets such a hard time from the fans and critics over continuity.

It doesnt contradict anything. At least not yet. I'll have to wait and see the context to which he is used

Two Trasks? There were two different characters with the last name Trask.

Emma? One was named Emma Frost and the other was Emma Silverfox. Different characters in this movieverse

Angel? Only Warren is a contradiction. There's no point in you even mentioning Salvadore bc that was clearly a different character and her first name happened to be his codename

I'll give you Jubilee but if you think simply being a recast is a contradition then we had what 4 of her? Might as well add the 3 Kittys

 

[Weather Witch]

I'll give you Jubilee but if you think simply being a recast is a contradition then we had what 4 of her? Might as well add the 3 Kittys

Also 2 Pyros, 2 Moiras, 3 different versions of Colossus etc.

 

[GuestStar2004]

3 versions of colossus? technically there has only been 2

 

[Tacit Ronin]

There was Apocalypse's penis: his little colossus.

 

[EnDz0n3]

Colossus cameo'ed in the first X-men.

LegiXn is already being played by someone else in the upcoming FX show. So I don't think that actor Boyd is playing him.

LOL

 

[Weather Witch]

Colossus cameo'ed in the first X-men.

This.

 

[GuestStar2004]

That was Daniel cudmore in X1 wasn't it?