Logan Logan - news & discussion - Part 3

[Leo Zelinsky]

Just bear in mind that whatever notable plot points or significant moments/changes are made in Logan, you don't have to get invested in it because it will be undone in the next movie. Just stop caring. That's the attitude of Roose Bolton and Ivan Drago: "Who cares?"

If continuity doesn't matter then give me a rebooted Colossus, Iceman, Shadowcat, & Rogue and ill ****

 

[Roose Bolton]

Fox (and the filmmakers) don't care about the comics.

Or about the other films in the franchise.

Or about following any rules or existing framework (they're probably bipolar, in my view, it's one of the typical traits).

Just bear in mind that whatever notable plot points or significant moments/changes are made in Logan, you don't have to get invested in it because it will be undone in the next movie. Just stop caring. That's the attitude of Roose Bolton and Ivan Drago: "Who cares?"

The new Brotherhood formed at the end of FC with the Emma Frost prison break was undone in DoFP. The loss of adamantium claws at the end of The Wolverine was undone in DoFP. I could go on but you get the picture.

Don't bother caring. They don't. And it will be forgotten anyway when the next movie is made. X-23 will suddenly be aged 25 back in the present day with no explanation in X-Force. Zander Rice will be revealed as Sinister and blown to pieces but then be miraculously alive in the next movie, and a different age. This will be Jackman's final movie but then he will appear in a Deadpool movie or X-Force. Save your gasps and tears, they'll ignore it all when the next movie is made. There'll probably be another Caliban in it as well. Woo-hoo!

You see, this where we differ. I want to get a good film and you want to get an self-referential episode of television.

This film has the potential to be one of the best in entire genre, and if we're lucky this could be the next Dark Knight, hell there's an outside chance this could be a film in contention for the Oscars next year. It looks like a film filled with heart wrenching performances from great actors that in a story that has something to say about the human condition.But that doesn't matter to you, because Logan has adamantium claws and Xavier has a little hair and there's one guy who shares a name with another guy from another movie set 50 years in the past.

 

[X-Maniac]

If continuity doesn't matter then give me a rebooted Colossus, Iceman, Shadowcat, & Rogue and ill ****

The rebooted Colossus already happened in Deadpool.

As for the others, who knows? If they keep decade hopping you could see them in two movies or so. Or maybe they'll be among the 'familiar faces' in the new TV show.

 

[Ivan Drago]

I just don't care anymore. I used to be obsessed with continuity, especially in the MCU. I used to love how everything in the MCU was "connected."

Nowadays I've grown sick of it. I've grown tired of the shared cinematic universe, I just want good stand alone movies.

 

[X-Maniac]

You see, this where we differ. I want to get a good film and you want to get an self-referential episode of television.

I want to get a good film that also acknowledges its place within an existing franchise. They two needn't be mutually exclusive.

I'm not sure why you see the only route to a good film as being standalone and in defiance of anything before it.

This film has the potential to be one of the best in entire genre, and if we're lucky this could be the next Dark Knight, hell there's an outside chance this could be a film in contention for the Oscars next year. It looks like a film filled with heart wrenching performances from great actors that in a story that has something to say about the human condition.But that doesn't matter to you, because Logan has adamantium claws and Xavier has a little hair and there's one guy who shares a name with another guy from another movie set 50 years in the past.

Far too soon to make Dark Knight or Oscars predictions/comparisons. I'll reserve judgment until I see it.

Xavier's hair isn't a MAJOR irritation to me; Wolverine's claws were already re-adamantiumised in DoFP; and Caliban was, by the director's own words, the result of lack of co-ordination and is a bit vexing. They don't add up to much more than annoyances for fans, but they are also symptoms of a lack of planning and lack of awareness that make these films a rather bumpy ride as a series. It's not just fanboys and fangirls who notice these inconsistencies.

Singer's own comments on the help from Marvel with backstory and information when making the new TV show pilot are also troubling. He never wanted to research backstory and information with the movies???? It's no wonder some characters get shafted. Only Xavier and Magneto have been given emotional depth that can resonate deeply with the viewer. Others (Wolverine, Mystique) have a dominant presence but very little emotional depth, the rest are non-entities for the most part.

 

[2kt09]

I just don't care anymore. I used to be obsessed with continuity, especially in the MCU. I used to love how everything in the MCU was "connected."

Nowadays I've grown sick of it. I've grown tired of the shared cinematic universe, I just want good stand alone movies.

I genuinely stopped caring after the first Avengers movie (if my sig isn't obvious enough) because they weren't doing enough to keep me invested like the better X-Men movies have or they too would retcon/brush off some of their most profound developments (though in their case for less enticing alternatives).

 

[Smilodon]

Wanting a bit more separation is fine, people just want a bit more care taken with characters instead of a one and done thing, which is also fine and something I want as well. That being said, Logan is anything but uncaring - it's a film that is just overflowing with love and care. Some people are really just making life harder for themselves by overreacting to things from like Origins or Vaughn wanting to skip a decade to split everyone apart or Wolverine having Adamantium in DOFP when it doesn't really matter because the entire point of The Wolverine was that he got over Jean's death and stopped being a hobo.

Obviously there's room for improvement. Stuff like two Caliban shouldn't be happening, but also it's more of a recast so it shouldn't be something to freak out over about. They're building up the world right now, so chill. TL;DR no more Psylocke and Angel shafting.

 

[EnDz0n3]

You see, this where we differ. I want to get a good film and you want to get an self-referential episode of television.

Why can't we have both?

I read your post, I just don't think something as small as Xavier growing a few whisps of hair whilst stilling remaining largely bald is some massive canon breaking issue that you seem to feel it is.

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No one's saying it's the end of the world.

However, it does add to the laundry list of continuity errors that questions why does it all matter if that was a big plot point in the previous movie when it's a detail that's glossed over in this one.

To be fair Apocalypse didn't really make a big deal out of Xavier losing his hair.

It was such a big deal Singer posted a picture on instagram of a hairless James McAvoy. And was reported everywhere.

It surely was such a big deal that the trailer ended with a big reveal of a follicly challenged James McAvoy.

Also try telling that to Xavier, losing his beautiful, long luscious hair.

X-23 will suddenly be aged 25 back in the present day with no explanation in X-Force. Zander Rice will be revealed as Sinister and blown to pieces but then be miraculously alive in the next movie, and a different age. This will be Jackman's final movie but then he will appear in a Deadpool movie or X-Force. Save your gasps and tears, they'll ignore it all when the next movie is made. There'll probably be another Caliban in it as well. Woo-hoo!

Don't give them any ideas!!!

 

[Stan Lee]

Has zero to do with Xavier




Come on now

Point is permanent baldness from merging with Apocalypse was never a thing in the comics. Nor was that stated to be a thing in the film. So there is no real continuity error here.

Are people seriously forgetting that hair can grow back?

 

[Stan Lee]

It was such a big deal Singer posted a picture on instagram of a hairless James McAvoy. And was reported everywhere.

It surely was such a big deal that the trailer ended with a big reveal of a follicly challenged James McAvoy.

Also try telling that to Xavier, losing his beautiful, long luscious hair.

You mean beautiful, long luscious hair that just simply shaved off in the original timeline?

 

[Roose Bolton]

I want to get a good film that also acknowledges its place within an existing franchise. They two needn't be mutually exclusive.

I'm not sure why you see the only route to a good film as being standalone and in defiance of anything before it.

Well I know for a fact this movie acknowledges previous stories and from what's been reported it does so in a way that stirs emotion from someone who is a fan of Stewart and Jackman's portrayals of the character. That's really all I need as far as continuity goes: acknowledgement of their relationship. If it tied in perfectly with every other film that would be fine, but that's just icing for me. It's not something that will make or break the film, or something that this indivual film or this individual story should be taken to the rack for.

Far too soon to make Dark Knight or Oscars predictions/comparisons. I'll reserve judgment until I see it.

Xavier's hair isn't a MAJOR irritation to me; Wolverine's claws were already re-adamantiumised in DoFP; and Caliban was, by the director's own words, the result of lack of co-ordination and is a bit vexing. They don't add up to much more than annoyances for fans, but they are also symptoms of a lack of planning and lack of awareness that make these films a rather bumpy ride as a series. It's not just fanboys and fangirls who notice these inconsistencies.

Singer's own comments on the help from Marvel with backstory and information when making the new TV show pilot are also troubling. He never wanted to research backstory and information with the movies???? It's no wonder some characters get shafted. Only Xavier and Magneto have been given emotional depth that can resonate deeply with the viewer. Others (Wolverine, Mystique) have a dominant presence but very little emotional depth, the rest are non-entities for the most part.

I'm not talking about the franchise or how much screentime previous characters got, or the state of future movies and tv shows or wheatever else they do, I'm talking purely about this individual picture. If this film is great then it won't be because of the continuity and if this film is bad it won't be because of the continuity. Performance, character, direction and story will be the things this movie will live or die on.

 

[Ivan Drago]

The rebooted Colossus already happened in Deadpool.

As for the others, who knows? If they keep decade hopping you could see them in two movies or so. Or maybe they'll be among the 'familiar faces' in the new TV show.

Yeah they rebooted Colossus and guess what? It was awesome. Nobody complained in Deadpool because it was done well.

 

[henzINNIT]

Why can't we have both?

I could rip my own hair out asking this question. It's really, really basic stuff. We're only a couple of years out from a continuity reset, how are they still f***ing it up so badly?

Bored of the "stand alone" trump card too. It is not an excuse. No-one is asking for MCU levels of inter-connectivity, but it would be nice to watch two X-Men films in a row without one contradicting the other.

You guys need to brush up on your X-Men history. Cyclops' hair came after he merged with Apocalypse.

Spoiler

I was just on another site and saw that you'd posted this 6 times in their comment section. It's really not that interesting as far as trivia goes pal.

 

[Frankeh]

I could rip my own hair out asking this question. It's really, really basic stuff. We're only a couple of years out from a continuity reset, how are they still f***ing it up so badly?

Bored of the "stand alone" trump card too. It is not an excuse. No-one is asking for MCU levels of inter-connectivity, but it would be nice to watch two X-Men films in a row without one contradicting the other.

Thank you! Some might call BS on me but that's one reason why X-Men movies won't have larger appeal, the average joe just isn't as invested because they don't care to think how it all "fits", they just feel confused and shrug it off. And it isn't really their fault. It is a fact people go into an MCU movie wanting to see how things connect. I've seen it with my own eyes. Hell Suicide Squad relied on the same thing by having references to Superman, and having Batman showing up.

Even if Logan makes huge bank, it still won't mean an increase of interest in future X-Men projects I don't think. Hopefully I'm wrong.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

Yeah they rebooted Colossus and guess what? It was awesome. Nobody complained in Deadpool because it was done well.

It's amazing what finally giving a X-Man a costume and proper accent can do after 3 appearances.

 

[TWayneP]

I know I'm not apart of the current convo, but was just wondering if anyone heard anything about an early New York City fan premiere? It's February and I can't believe it's a month away!

 

[2kt09]

It's amazing what finally giving a X-Man a costume and proper accent can do after 3 appearances.

Like Guestar said, it's not much of a costume, but keeping him metallic and noticeably massive the entire time did wonders.
Also, they've been full steam ahead on the accent dept in 2016.
Laura supposedly has an accent here, too, or she's only going to speak Spanish - one of those two.

 

[Smilodon]

I don't know about an early fan premiere, but the film is showing in 10 days in NYC. They've been having contests to for fans to interview Hugh at like Collider and other sites.

 

[2kt09]

I don't know about an early fan premiere, but the film is showing in 10 days in NYC. They've been having contests to for fans to interview Hugh at like Collider and other sites.

source?
Thought it was screening at the Berlin Film Festival in 10 days.

 

[Smilodon]

http://collider.com/wolverine-fan-contest-hugh-jackman-logan-interview/

https://www.berlinale.de/en/program...der_by=1&searchText=Logan&searchSubmit=Search

I checked the Berlin Film Fest because I wasn't sure which was showing first, but the NYC screening and junket is on the 11th and the Berlinale site for now lists Logan as premiering on the 17th. Other sites such as CB.com, Comingsoon, Joblo (I think) have also been doing these fan contests for fans to come along with them and sit on the screening/press junket and ask Hugh questions.

 

[TWayneP]

http://collider.com/wolverine-fan-contest-hugh-jackman-logan-interview/

https://www.berlinale.de/en/program...der_by=1&searchText=Logan&searchSubmit=Search

I checked the Berlin Film Fest because I wasn't sure which was showing first, but the NYC screening and junket is on the 11th and the Berlinale site for now lists Logan as premiering on the 17th. Other sites such as CB.com, Comingsoon, Joblo (I think) have also been doing these fan contests for fans to come along with them and sit on the screening/press junket and ask Hugh questions.

Damn that sucks. They must not be letting it open up to other fans then. Just press. The last Wolverine fan event in 2013 was so much fun I hoped they were doing another.

 

[Superhero 101]

Is there an embargo for the NYC event?

 

[Stan Lee]

It's amazing what finally giving a X-Man a costume and proper accent can do after 3 appearances.

Costume? It was just like the one he had in X3 but with a red X.

 

[Smilodon]

Is there an embargo for the NYC event?

We don't know right now, but we will know soon enough.

 

[JEM]

Apocalypse just came out how is this so hard to keep track of

Mangold interview don't really contradict Apocalypse.
You can say Apoc wanted to boost Xavier power during the transfert so he lost his hair. He did the same thing with Storm when he boost her powers. So poweful Xavier means bald Prof X. In fact, Xavier can't control his power in Logan so he has some hair. It could make sense and fit XA.

Beside, there is a limitation with Fox continuity error.

- Cyclop, Storm and Jean weren't in FC and DOFP because of the continuity.
- Rhett and Paul said they used Colossus because we didn't see his human face. They can't do the same thing with Xavier and Beast because they are more know in the franchise.

- If the rumor is true. [BLACKOUT]Some mutants are alive in Logan because they had healing factor. It is very important because it's mean Caliban could age slowly like Wolverine and Mystique. Maybe, there isn't wo Caliban but one with healing factor
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In others word, Fox is cautious with the continuity when the characters have big impact on the franchise. It is why we will probably not see Malicia, Iceman or Kitty in Supernova (Colossus maybe).

If X23 is popular after Logan, they will use her again but they will try to find a way ( with Dafne Keen or not).