Logan Logan - news & discussion - Part 3

[GuestStar2004]

No, people were saying it wasn't a Mystique central film since she was useless and didn't have much screentime compared to other characters. You were saying it was all about her since she was leader of the X-Men and Prof X was an afterthought(silly). But she basically like Cyclops in X1, who actually showed more leadership skills since he was actually there with the team in battle, as oppose to just barking orders on the plane before landing and splitting away from the team like Mystique did. But we all know that X1 isn't about Cyclops.

I agree to a certain degree, it's a very superficial deal here where if you are the leader that means you are more important then everyone else.

 

[Stan Lee]

Continuity means **** but in Fox-Men universe Mystique should be the most popular in universe. Her picture is seen all over the world. She's the entire world's hero (barf)

I don't see why she would. Jean should be more popular than her since she was the one that took down Apocalypse.

Mystique saving the president is no big deal compared to someone who saved the world.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Who gives a **** about whose more well known.

 

[Zant]

Nice!

Also, I just read the extended synopsis on cb.com

I guess we now know what happened to the Xmen.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

That doesn't make him an afterthought

Xavier was far from an afterthought in Apoc. The villains whole plot upon discovering g his existence was to gain Xavier's powers because of how powerful they are.

And Mystique gave the speeches at the end because Xavier was captured and not there until they rescued him. I wouldn't even say Mystique was the leader at the end either, she as just training the team and once she had she was probably going to leave again.

 

[Stan Lee]

Well, the film did allude to Scott eventually becoming leader with Jean saying he is meant to change the world. The Mystique being leader and the black costumes were obviously bait for fans for The Hunger Games, no doubt by the studio.

 

[EnDz0n3]

I don't know why this is a discussion as I would think Leo would be against any more mentions of Raven lol but here we are.

I don't see why she would. Jean should be more popular than her since she was the one that took down Apocalypse.

Mystique saving the president is no big deal compared to someone who saved the world.

Mystique saving the world was in front of a world wide audience, what with the cameras pointed at her. Her name is mentioned in History classes as part of the school curriculum.

In the aftermath of Apocalypse, Jean wasn't even mentioned by name as saving the world to the TV audience. It was Magneto.

Are we really back to downplaying JLaw's role/stardom again so we can say she really didn't overshadow the other (also deserving) characters?

Who gives a **** about whose more well known.

Well for one thing the other mutants care who's more well known.

It was a whole plot point of X-men: Apocalypse and it's why mutants were more accepted in the 1980s.

 

[Stan Lee]

Mystique saving the world was in front of a world wide audience, what with the cameras pointed at her. Her name is mentioned in History classes as part of the school curriculum.

In the aftermath of Apocalypse, Jean wasn't even mentioned by name as saving the world. It was Magneto.

We didn't get the whole broadcast though. I don't see why they would omit Jean's involvement. The more mutants being viewed as heroes the better.

Are we really back to downplaying JLaw's role/stardom again so we can say she really didn't overshadow the other (also deserving) characters?

Her role is actually very similar to Captain America in The Avengers. But I don't think Cap overshadowed the other characters.

I mean Cap is viewed as a hero in the eyes of the public, is the reason why SHEILD exists, why The Hulk exists, why the Avengers pushed after the death of Coulson, etc. Mystique may have a shrine at the mansion but Cap has a whole museum to himself on top of being in the history books. He is a far more influential and famous figure in the MCU than Mystique is in the XCU. But that doesn't overshadow the other Avengers.

We are also getting the samething with Wolverine in this movie and he seems to be a far more famous figure than Mystique ever was. But I strongly doubt anyone where thinks Laura will be overshadowed.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Well for one thing the other mutants care who's more well known.

It was a whole plot point of X-men: Apocalypse and it's why mutants were more accepted in the 1980s.

So why does that affect anyone here?

 

[psylockolussus]

Thanks for the link. Seems like this was a very intense shoot like Fury Road, but Hugh, Patrick, Dafne, Boyd and Richard (and the crew) seem to have all really given it their all and I'm excited to see the final product, like everyone else. This could be something really special.

Would be great if Stewart and Hugh get a Golden Globes nomination for their performance in this movie.

 

[OutOfBoose]

Nice read above. Thanks for the link.

By the way, there's a few swearing words in the article. So maybe you should remove it.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

Who gives a **** about whose more well known.

So why does that affect anyone here?

It only affects you because you seem to be getting upset if anything about FoX-Men gets questioned. I mean look at you cursing over something so trivial. Everything about this franchise is open to debate, you should relax and stop trying to muzzle everyone like you always do.

 

[GuestStar2004]

It only affects you because you seem to be getting upset if anything about FoX-Men gets questioned. I mean look at you cursing over something so trivial. Everything about this franchise is open to debate, you should relax and stop trying to muzzle everyone like you always do.

Its fandom, people need to over exaggerate on everything.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Really Fox-Men

This is getting ridculas.this film probally the last one for Jackman as wolverine
and possibily last one for stewart is being overshadowed by talk of mystique
who isn't even In Logan.

far too much these discussions are turning into let's crap on every marvel fox film but deadpool and if any X-men film fans dare defend any film but deadpool or god forbid offer critism of deadpool it isn't even consetrive critism it's just bash fox for everything outside of deadpool.

by now we get it some of you hate X-men films inless they are deadpool.

 

[LoganPool]

Really Fox-Men

This is getting ridculas.this film probally the last one for Jackman as wolverine
and possibily last one for stewart is being overshadowed by talk of mystique
who isn't even In Logan.

far too much these discussions are turning into let's crap on every marvel fox film but deadpool and if any X-men film fans dare defend any film but deadpool or god forbid offer critism of deadpool it isn't even consetrive critism it's just bash fox for everything outside of deadpool.

by now we get it some of you hate X-men films inless they are deadpool.

So because some of us think Mystique has too large of a roll in some movies, it means we hate all X-men films? Great assumption! Not.

 

[marvelrobbins]

So because some of us think Mystique has too large of a roll in some movies, it means we hate all X-men films? Great assumption! Not.

no.the way some of you call X-Men films fox-men,trash every X-Men film inless it's called deadpool,say f-you to both bryan Singer and simon Kinberg.

and when in my posting history would led you to believe i actully liked lawrence's mystique in apocalypse.I like apocalypse in spite of lawrence not
because of her.just like i liked civil war in spite of their spider-man and stark not because of it.I would be very happy If Apocalypse is end of lawrence in X-Men films after she trashed X-Men and I have no sympathy for her with makeup.she knew at time what playing mystique would require.

and mystique has nothing to do with this film.wolverine,Xavier,and X-23 does.

 

[2kt09]

I guess we now know what happened to the Xmen.

Yeah, that's the one part that had me sighing since we put so much effort into debating how the X-Men are no more. Still, I wouldn't put it past the rumor on how OML inspired this is, especially if Wolverine isn't the one to do it.

 

[fobi]

Spoiler

I said before that I thought the the X-Men just went their separate ways. Maybe powerless. It just didn't make sense to kill them all off in that manner.

 

[GuestStar2004]

It probably makes less sense everyone just leaving Logan to look after Xavier and if Xavier does get killed off... logan will bury him with no sign of the X-Men.

I suspect its not much different.

 

[LoganPool]

Spoiler

I said before that I thought the the X-Men just went their separate ways. Maybe powerless. It just didn't make sense to kill them all off in that manner.

Spoiler

That contradicts the 40 min preview that people saw. It was reported that they mention an "incident in the east" involving Xavier, wiping out a bunch of mutants.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Well in that James mangold interview he says that all Logans friends are dead and that the idea is about logan out living all of them and whether he still has a place in this world.

 

[EnDz0n3]

Marvelrobbins you're "literally" the only person talking about Deadpool on this page. No one's praising or offering disapproval of him on here.

We didn't get the whole broadcast though. I don't see why they would omit Jean's involvement. The more mutants being viewed as heroes the better.

The only people that know about what Jean did would be Moira and the <10 mutants present in that final battle with Apocalypse.

I can see an overall news broadcast where the news would say it was a team effort but not a play by play of which mutant did what ninja kick or throat slash or optic blast.

Why would anyone from that group leak to the press that another mutant handily defeated this maniacal ancient being that tried to bring about armageddon? It might bring peace of mind to some in the human community (that the next time something like Apocalypse comes to wreak havoc, we have someone on our side) but most would be suspicious of such absolute power.

Revealing Jean's Phoenix to the world would just bring about more questions and even suspicions on mutants.

The only logical reason why Xavier and/or Moira would have revealed Magneto's ultimate role in the events is so he's not imprisoned and not hunted down by the humans.

After all his mug was strewn across TV sets attempting to assassinate the POTUS just a decade prior. They had no choice but to name him as a major force in the villain's defeat.

Her role is actually very similar to Captain America in The Avengers. But I don't think Cap overshadowed the other characters.

I mean Cap is viewed as a hero in the eyes of the public, is the reason why SHEILD exists, why The Hulk exists, why the Avengers pushed after the death of Coulson, etc. Mystique may have a shrine at the mansion but Cap has a whole museum to himself on top of being in the history books. He is a far more influential and famous figure in the MCU than Mystique is in the XCU. But that doesn't overshadow the other Avengers.

We are also getting the samething with Wolverine in this movie and he seems to be a far more famous figure than Mystique ever was. But I strongly doubt anyone where thinks Laura will be overshadowed.

This whole downplaying of Mystique's role and screen time in this trilogy just really flies in the face of fans of the other characters that had more minor roles than her, and even just 2 lines and especially those that were mute. I bet most of these fans would be happy of even a 1/10th of the amount of that screen time and apparent importance of the Mystique character given to their character instead.

So why does that affect anyone here?

You're right it shouldn't since this is a different universe. j/k

So I still have not received my postcard. Anyone else?

 

[LoganPool]

So I still have not received my postcard. Anyone else?

I posted mine a few pages back. Got it last week.

 

[Ivan Drago]

Logan comes out in exactly a month from now! t:

 

[Sora .]

I know people who have seen the movie. Is there anything that anyone wants to know? How do I put on spoiler tags so I don't give away anything to people who want to be surprised.