Mystery/Thriller LOST - But Not Forgotten...Except by the Emmys - Part 1

[Marvolo]

This bit from The Candidate always gets to me. Hurley breaking down just kills me, and then the music is damn tear jerking. Amazing what a few notes on a piano can do.

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[Prison Mike]

I want to taste Jack's tears

 

[Marvolo]

I want to taste Jack's tears

We are not worthy to taste those tears.

 

[Ipodman]

There should be a "shortened" version of LOST, like what they did with Dragonball Z and turned it into Dragonball Z Kai. I know cutting out subplots and episodes here and there is an offence, but if I were to ask someone to watch LOST now, they will go crazy. Just my opinion.

 

[Marvolo]

IDK but I never thought there were that many subplots if any at all, because almost everything that happens on the show leads to the ending. Things don't just happen in the show for no reason. Once you see the end game which is for a new candidate to take over the island everything before that is just progress. With the second viewing everything falls into place and you can see all the chess moves clearly.

 

[Ipodman]

What about some of the time-travel stuff, and that Back to the Future Episode with Desmond finding the other guy. It took up too much time and had nothing to do with the mystery of the island anyway...

 

[Marvolo]

What about some of the time-travel stuff, and that Back to the Future Episode with Desmond finding the other guy. It took up too much time and had nothing to do with the mystery of the island anyway...

The time travel stuff was a result of the wheel being stuck. Which had to happen to get Lock off the island leading to the events that killed him allowing the Man in Black to take his form and manipulate Ben into killing Jacob. Most of season 5 is the Man in Black putting his plan into action. And the episode "The Constant" where Desmond has to find Daniel Faraday is essential to understand Desmond and Penny's relationship along with why Daniel Faraday is on the island. Without "The Constant" you wouldn't understand Daniel's motivation. Not to mention it is the major fan favorite of the series. Like I said you should watch the show again, because while you get the big picture you seem to have missed alot of the little connecting bits of the show.

 

[PWN3R]

What about some of the time-travel stuff, and that Back to the Future Episode with Desmond finding the other guy. It took up too much time and had nothing to do with the mystery of the island anyway...

Man, no offense (which really means screw you ), but the fact that you even suggest they cut an episode like 'The Constant' is baffling. Did we watch the same show?

How, please explain, hoooow was that filler???

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[The Apocalypse]

What about some of the time-travel stuff, and that Back to the Future Episode with Desmond finding the other guy. It took up too much time and had nothing to do with the mystery of the island anyway...

If you think about it though, the time travel was the most important thing to happen in the show due to the fact that John Locke had to turn the wheel and I think he was the first one to ever do it. But I also think every time one went into those pocket of energy the Island was able to take consume that persons memory. It would kinda explain how when Locke got to the Island in the first place he had a weird connection to it. Because the first memories the Island got was John Lockes. But just my opinion.

 

[Heffer Wolf]

If you think about it though, the time travel was the most important thing to happen in the show due to the fact that John Locke had to turn the wheel and I think he was the first one to ever do it. But I also think every time one went into those pocket of energy the Island was able to take consume that persons memory. It would kinda explain how when Locke got to the Island in the first place he had a weird connection to it. Because the first memories the Island got was John Lockes. But just my opinion.

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What?

I assumed the people who built the wheel were the first to turn it. Also the Polar Bears. And of course Ben, the reason the wheel was off the axis in the first place.

 

[Heffer Wolf]

What about some of the time-travel stuff, and that Back to the Future Episode with Desmond finding the other guy. It took up too much time and had nothing to do with the mystery of the island anyway...

the time travel and Desmond were the best things about the show. The Constant and Flashes Before Your Eyes were the two greatest episodes of the entire series (but I might be biased because I love Desmond). And without the time travel, we would have never gotten to see the awesome Dharma Initiative and LaFleur Leader Sawyer. And Hurley trying to write Empire Strikes Back.

Also, rewatching the show, when you get to dead Locke back on the island, its kind of creepy to know hes the smoke monster.

 

[Prison Mike]

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What?

Kate in that green top

 

[Ipodman]

Don't get me wrong, I love the show and I love The Constant, one of my favourite episodes in fact. I'm just saying, if I were to recommend my friend to watch LOST now, I don't think I'll want him to watch every single episode because it would be too long. There are always small parts of each season that can be shortened (not necessarily cut out), which will make things easier for people who are watching everything at one go and not wait every week for a new episode.

 

[Marvolo]

Don't get me wrong, I love the show and I love The Constant, one of my favourite episodes in fact. I'm just saying, if I were to recommend my friend to watch LOST now, I don't think I'll want him to watch every single episode because it would be too long. There are always small parts of each season that can be shortened (not necessarily cut out), which will make things easier for people who are watching everything at one go and not wait every week for a new episode.

Well anyone watching the show now wouldnt have to wait a week in between each episode. Honestly i dont underatand how your gonna sale someone on a show by telling them they should should skip some episodes. I also cant imagine why someone would even watch a show if they arent going to watch it all the first time. I am sorry but lost is a show that requires all episodes. Yes, even all of season 3. Heck the ****** episode expose even has payoff in season 6. The only episode that can probably be skipped is the one about Jacks tattoo, and thats because who gives a **** about Jacks tattoo.

 

[The Apocalypse]

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What?

I assumed the people who built the wheel were the first to turn it. Also the Polar Bears. And of course Ben, the reason the wheel was off the axis in the first place.

Well, the well wasn't there when they traveled back when John was going down there. Remember, he flashed and Sawyer was holding the rope. I assumed that Jacobs bro finished it afterward he turned into Smokey. So I just figured Locke was really the first one to turn it.

 

[Heffer Wolf]

Well, the well wasn't there when they traveled back when John was going down there. Remember, he flashed and Sawyer was holding the rope. I assumed that Jacobs bro finished it afterward he turned into Smokey. So I just figured Locke was really the first one to turn it.

Oh **** you're right. Well then, thats actually a really interesting theory then.

 

[dru-zod2501]

wow, 2 weeks. I watched the whole series in 2 weeks it's been beyond crazy. I was worried I'd get disappointed in the finale that so many dislike, but I wasn't too much. Sure some things didn't make much sense, like why did fake locke suddenly become mortal? but I couldn't really complain.

 

[Sawyer]

wow, 2 weeks. I watched the whole series in 2 weeks it's been beyond crazy. I was worried I'd get disappointed in the finale that so many dislike, but I wasn't too much. Sure some things didn't make much sense, like why did fake locke suddenly become mortal? but I couldn't really complain.

That's because those people are wrong.

And the Man in Black became mortal because Desmond turned off the light, which turned him into the smoke monster to begin with.

 

[Ghostvirus]

My favorite part of the time travel part was John creating his own destiny of being "special". I thought that was a pretty aspect the time travel season.

 

[Brother Jack]

Well, the well wasn't there when they traveled back when John was going down there. Remember, he flashed and Sawyer was holding the rope. I assumed that Jacobs bro finished it afterward he turned into Smokey. So I just figured Locke was really the first one to turn it.

Smokey could not find the Source, because the only one who knew where it was was the protector, aka Jacob. It's possible that the cave under the island with the donkey wheel didn't exist in time the same way that the rest of the island did, because it was clearly skipping because Ben turned it; the island wasn't time-jumping until that happened. Locke turned it again to fix the problem, locking it in the 70's until Juliet detonated the bomb at the Swan site (screwing with the Source).

 

[CrimsonDeath]

My favorite part of the time travel part was John creating his own destiny of being "special". I thought that was a pretty aspect the time travel season.

That was a subtle point that I enjoyed as well very much, bringing a circularity to the notion of free will vs destiny. The show, after all, supposedly was going to be called The Circle at first.

With the time travel element of the show, the notion of "Whatever happened, happened" and choice are intertwined in a paradox of singularity. Jacob had not yet "touched" the Candidates, yet there they appeared, in the 70's. Did Jacob truly chose those individuals? John Locke and the others in his party were there on the Island decades or centuries before, too.

Then Jack wants to change the Future, and winds up helping the creation of the Hatch during the Incident. If Jack and the rest had done nothing, the Island would have been destroyed, no hatch, no plane crash, maybe no world left? Even by causing his father to drink again and fail sobriety, Jack causes indirectly his father to screw up on the job, which leads to his death in Australia, which causes Jack to get to the Island. Circularity, and not more evident than during time travel.

The Flashbacks can be seen as "time travel" narrative, and then more evident when the Flashforwards are introduced, then the FlashSideways in a way. Since the first season the whole show is time travel and nothing but time travel.

 

[Prison Mike]

All this time travel talk is giving me a headache.

 

[chaseter]

And nose bleeds.

 

[Ghostvirus]

That was a subtle point that I enjoyed as well very much, bringing a circularity to the notion of free will vs destiny. The show, after all, supposedly was going to be called The Circle at first.

With the time travel element of the show, the notion of "Whatever happened, happened" and choice are intertwined in a paradox of singularity. Jacob had not yet "touched" the Candidates, yet there they appeared, in the 70's. Did Jacob truly chose those individuals? John Locke and the others in his party were there on the Island decades or centuries before, too.

Then Jack wants to change the Future, and winds up helping the creation of the Hatch during the Incident. If Jack and the rest had done nothing, the Island would have been destroyed, no hatch, no plane crash, maybe no world left? Even by causing his father to drink again and fail sobriety, Jack causes indirectly his father to screw up on the job, which leads to his death in Australia, which causes Jack to get to the Island. Circularity, and not more evident than during time travel.

The Flashbacks can be seen as "time travel" narrative, and then more evident when the Flashforwards are introduced, then the FlashSideways in a way. Since the first season the whole show is time travel and nothing but time travel.

I always wondered if what happened to Desmond was happening to everyone. Desmond could just remember it.

When I think of this I always go back to the episode where we found out how Locke was paralyzed. When the the nurses are putting Locke in the wheelchair. He reacts as if it is happening again. He seems to have this no please not again element to it.

I think that when there mind flashes back to the island. They just don't remember traveling back to there previous life.

 

[Brother Jack]

The Flashbacks can be seen as "time travel" narrative, and then more evident when the Flashforwards are introduced, then the FlashSideways in a way. Since the first season the whole show is time travel and nothing but time travel.

Yes, narratively the show was traveling sporadically through time long before the characters were literally time-traveling. That's part of the reason why it worked; it wasn't as big of a stretch as it may have seemed on the surface.

Same with the flashsideways, but in a different way. We were viewing what appeared to be two different worlds with the island story and mainland story, even though in that case we knew exactly how they were related. The sideways was basically no different to the flashbacks and forwards in this way, we just didn't know how it related to the island story until the end.