Mystery/Thriller LOST - But Not Forgotten...Except by the Emmys - Part 1

[Doomed_hero]

the problem is that when you rewatch Lost its 100% clear that the writters and producers changed their mind what Lost was. in the first 2-3 seaons they were thinking about a different ending.

so now defending that it was about the characters and what Jacobs plan was is wrong IMO. because everything that Jacob did was written in the last 2 years. which was the time that IMO the writters realized that they have no idea.

there was way to much focus on the mystery and scifi elements to just ignore them. way to much.

and the ending in the church could be the ending of every movie,tv show and book in human history. just how lazy can you get?

but it was always about the characters. from the flashbacks in season 1 and on it was always about them dealing with the issues that haunted them off the island. and not every show has the ending planned in the first few seasons, even breaking bad writers say they introduced elements at the beginning of the season that they werent sure how it was going to play out. and i dont get what you mean about the church scene can being used in any movie. the point of the show is learning to move on and that was a metaphor for it . but if you want to hate it thats your right. i thought the show had a very clear message that sometimes got lost but nailed it overall. no show is perfect

 

[dark_b]

every tv show is about the characters. but not only about that. its also about the story. obvious.

i think after fans realized that some didnt like the finale they decided to use one post. and the only post. '' it was about the characters''.

i feel like i am in the matrix and its a deja vu for 2 years.

 

[Teelie]

I'd say it's not even always about the characters first. Series like CSI are at least initially more about the stories (crimes) first and the characters second.

For a while now they've blended the crimes (ie; they become the victims or in some cases, criminals) with the characters and lost track of that seperation of the characters solving the crime, not being apart of the crime.

But it's never only about the characters, primary or secondary. If you have a great story but the characters are bland it will fail. If you have great characters and no story, I hope you're planning for a future writing porn because otherwise it won't be worth watching either.

Lost made up its story as it went along then couldn't figure out where to go so they eventually threw this ending out to solve most of their unresolved plots and pretend anything else didn't matter. They had some great characters and that helped carry it through rough patches of clearly lost story-telling but in the end they seemed to have no idea what the story was.

 

[Spider-Gnome]

I haven't watched Lost yet, was the finale that bad?

No, the finale was not bad. You really need to watch the show to make a judgement as oppose to people who scream like the show kicked their dog and those that say it was the best show ever (which is the category I fall under).

Just so you know, the show is about the characters, and is mainly those characters you meet in the pilot. There are a lot of wierd things and mysteries. Most, if not all the mysteries are explained, is not explicitly, there is enough to figure them out. The answers are there. You might not like the answers, but they are there. Those that complain about them, either did not get it or they did not like the answers they got. But, the main answers are answered.

And sure they made stuff as they went along, and had to deal with growth spurts and actors asking to leave the show, but, I think they did an AMAZING job.

 

[Man in the Suit]

And sure they made stuff as they went along, and had to deal with growth spurts and actors asking to leave the show, but, I think they did an AMAZING job.

Yeah. I hate the "THEY MADE IT UP AS THEY WENT ALONG!" argument. Of course they did! It's TV.

 

[Teelie]

They also bold-facedly lied saying they had it planned out ahead of time.

 

[Sawyer]

Except that they didn't. They knew what the ending would be (Jack dying and the series ending as a bookend to how it began, with his eye closing). But the process of writing the show is a journey you can't plan beat for beat from the beginning.

 

[DyeLorean]

I think Lost (and all tv series) should be judged in its entirety for what it is, and not using the whole 'the writers said in an interview that...' or 'they clearly didn't have any idea about...'. I care what they say because I was invested in the show, but I can't judge the product with all that alternative information that I have. The show itself works, whatever they said o didn't say.

They had to go from A to Z. How they got there may have changed, that's all part of the creative, organic process.

 

[Teelie]

Except that they didn't. They knew what the ending would be (Jack dying and the series ending as a bookend to how it began, with his eye closing). But the process of writing the show is a journey you can't plan beat for beat from the beginning.

... and yet he was literally to die in the first episode until it was decided he was too good a character to kill off. Crazy that. Their ending was already written in the first episode when the main character who was originally a throwaway character suddenly is recast and it changes nothing. Somehow.

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

It's not about whether or not 'they made it up as they went along'.

Rather it's about whether or not it's good or bad (nonsensical, or 'feels' like it was made up as they went along).

Process doesn't matter, the output does. There are plenty of shows that are 'made up as they go along' and are just fine. (Didn't Avengers start filming with an unfinished script?)

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Also, regarding the original plan of killing off Jack; that was the original plan, not their adjusted one. But again, it's not about the plan, it's about what's on the screen.

 

[John Locke]

... and yet he was literally to die in the first episode until it was decided he was too good a character to kill off. Crazy that. Their ending was already written in the first episode when the main character who was originally a throwaway character suddenly is recast and it changes nothing. Somehow.

That was before they shot anything. They were still creating the show. I don't think it was even called Lost at that point. Are you really trying to imply that if they didn't think of everything in that first meeting they made it up as they went along? What show or even a movie has everything planned in that first meeting?

 

[DyeLorean]

Right, because they thought 6 years of television even before they started shooting the pilot. No, it doesn't work that way. It's a creative, organic process. It happens in every show, is just that the Lost writers opened up the doors to those meeting and their original plans.

 

[Teelie]

I mean they said one thing, did another. I can (and have) pointed out that there are series who had a beginning, middle and end planned out and stuck to it. They didn't have every episode, every detail, every character, etc planned but they did know where they were at, where they were going and where they would end up.

Lost claimed to do this too but it turns out the creators were talking out their ass to get it.

So no, I'm not implying they sat at the first writing and planned everything out. I'm saying they explicitly lied about knowing how it would end then proceeded to spend the next several years randomly throwing stuff at the screen before pulling out "they were dead all along" as an answer from thin air.

 

[DyeLorean]

That's my point, who cares what they said? Judge the show for what it is.

 

[Teelie]

My response was to the claim they always knew what they were doing even if they didn't have the middle planned out... but somehow Lost defenders (particularly finale defenders) always seem to get very defensive when something negative or wrong is pointed out about the show.

 

[DyeLorean]

They knew the end game probably around seasons 2 and 3. By season 1 they really didn't know much.

 

[DyeLorean]

I thought this was an interesting article to post here:

Damon Lindelof on Why 'Breaking Bad's' Finale Let Him Say Goodbye to 'Lost' (Guest Column)

http://m.hollywoodreporter.com/news/damon-lindelof-breaking-bad-finale-639484

 

[Spider-Gnome]

I believe the writers said that Locke's explanation of backgammon from Season 1 would tie into the endgame of the series. I think it's fair to say that is what they did.

Again, they shouldn't have to tell you about the process or when they came up with what. It should be judged on the end product.

 

[DyeLorean]

I believe the writers said that Locke's explanation of backgammon from Season 1 would tie into the endgame of the series. I think it's fair to say that is what they did.

Again, they shouldn't have to tell you about the process or when they came up with what. It should be judged on the end product.

Thank you.

 

[Soapy]

I thought this was an interesting article to post here:

Damon Lindelof on Why 'Breaking Bad's' Finale Let Him Say Goodbye to 'Lost' (Guest Column)

http://m.hollywoodreporter.com/news/damon-lindelof-breaking-bad-finale-639484

I am Walter White. Arrogant. Conceited. Selfish. Entitled. Looking for ways to blame everything and everyone but myself, even though it is perfectly clear the situation I find myself in is of my own making.

Welp. I guess that settles that. Couldn't have said it better myself. Thanks, Lindelof.

 

[Sawyer]

I guess that makes you Marie.

 

[Prison Mike]

Jesus Christ Soapy!

 

[PWN3R]

Everyone ****s all over Lindelof and it just makes me love him more. I adore him. Great article.

 

[DyeLorean]

Sometimes, negative comments towards something tend to speak louder than the positive ones. That's why Lindelof feels so cornered about it. The whole Lost's finale has blown way out of proportion. Plus, even if the destination isn't a complete success, it doesn't change the previous 5 seasons, it doesn't diminish the entertainment value of what came before.

 

[PWN3R]

LOST changed the way fans interact with the show and the show runners. LOST seeped into more than just television. It was a lifestyle for those couple years. It was an experience.

I miss LOST. The sad part, for me, is that I don't think I can ever experience it all again. Re-watching seasons are ok, but it's just not the same.

But I will forever love Lindelof and Cuse for what they gave us. I want them to work together again. Damn it.