Sony Spin-Off Madame Web spin-off in the works

You are describing tone and style, not quality. As someone who's MCU fatigued and desperately wants to see something other than the same formula with these superheroes and villains, I can certainly say that unfortunately I feel the standards of Sony's Universe of Marvel Characters is bottom of the barrel low, quality-wise. And that's a shared sentiment across a big chunk of the audience.

And again, Morbius, Kraven, Madam Web are nowhere near as popular as Venom. If these films stay at the same standards of reviews and word-to-mouth as Sony's previous two, I can see them flopping hard eventually.
 
Don't want to be that person to state the obvious, but I highly doubt a comic book movie about an 80 year old woman would really fare well at the box office.
Really ? But, Michael Keaton is still playing Batman. :o
 
You are describing tone and style, not quality. As someone who's MCU fatigued and desperately wants to see something other than the same formula with these superheroes and villains, I can certainly say that unfortunately I feel the standards of Sony's Universe of Marvel Characters is bottom of the barrel low, quality-wise. And that's a shared sentiment across a big chunk of the audience.

And again, Morbius, Kraven, Madam Web are nowhere near as popular as Venom. If these films stay at the same standards of reviews and word-to-mouth as Sony's previous two, I can see them flopping hard eventually.

We'll see, then. Considering Venom 1 and 2's box office returns despite the word of mouth and reviews, then the upcoming films are probably in a good place. The general audience doesn't care as much about what character and how popular they are compared to a bunch of nerds and geeks such as us going back and forth on Twitter or message boards. They'll just see a comic book movie because it's a comic book movie.

What you se as bottom of the barrel low, someone else sees as just pure popcorn entertainment. There's a reason Venom 2 doubled down on what made the first one good- ie, the Eddie and Venom stuff- because that's what people enjoyed, regardless of the film's overall quality. Hell, if that sentiment truly was shared across a big chunk of the audience, as you said, Venom 2 wouldn't have been profitable at all, pandemic or otherwise. I guarantee you the audience that still asks whether Superman is an Avenger doesn't care as much about the quality of Sony's Spider-Man universe as you or I.
 
We'll see, then. Considering Venom 1 and 2's box office returns despite the word of mouth and reviews, then the upcoming films are probably in a good place.
Unsubstantiated argument, but we'll see, indeed.
The general audience doesn't care as much about what character and how popular they are compared to a bunch of nerds and geeks such as us going back and forth on Twitter or message boards. They'll just see a comic book movie because it's a comic book movie.
The general audience has no idea who these characters are, while Venom is maybe the most popular Spider-Man villain and was already featured in a live action movie. Also Tom Hardy is a much bigger name than Aaron Taylor Johnson and Dakota Johnson (I just realised they are both Johnsons) and has even bigger star power than Leto. You keep assuming that all of their other films are going to have similar revenue but there's no real comparison there. Morbius is going to be the one to actual show us a glimpse of how the rest of these characters, unknown to the general audience, might do.
What you se as bottom of the barrel low, someone else sees as just pure popcorn entertainment.
I thought it was obvious I was commenting on why myself and a big part of the audience don't want this universe to continue, which is a reason this whole debate started, and it was suppose to clarify that it had nothing to do with it "being different" than the MCU as you assumed for some reason.
There's a reason Venom 2 doubled down on what made the first one good- ie, the Eddie and Venom stuff- because that's what people enjoyed, regardless of the film's overall quality. Hell, if that sentiment truly was shared across a big chunk of the audience, as you said, Venom 2 wouldn't have been profitable at all, pandemic or otherwise. I guarantee you the audience that still asks whether Superman is an Avenger doesn't care as much about the quality of Sony's Spider-Man universe as you or I.
While the film made as much as the first movie, as you say, and during pandemic times nonetheless, which is quite impressive on its own, you are only talking about the US. Even though America is definitely the biggest market, it's certainly not the only market. In the rest of the world it overall made 350 million less, which is less than half of what the first film did. And sure, covid and competition didn't help things out, but the numbers still show a serious decline.

That's not my point, though. My point is it did as good as it did, not because reviews and a certain amount of bad word-to-mouth don't matter, as you seem to claim, but because the character is so popular that it did good despite them. Meaning it would probably do much better if the films weren't a mixed bag (at best) for critics and the general audience. Something that might actual affect the rest of that universe if there's nothing to counterbalance it with.
 
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Completely different from any other Spider-Man character? How can you say that when we have no other film to go off of? If Morbius completely flops, then yes, we can say it's different.

It's only a dumb idea because you want it to all be in the MCU. People had no problem with there being movies on C and D-listers like Ant-Man or Shang-Chi or the Guardians and Marvel making them household names. But the second Sony announces a Morbius or Kraven or Madame Web movie, the same MCU-or-bust folks then turn around and go "HEY, YOU CAN'T DO THAT!"
Did I say I wanted it to be mcu? No I didn’t . And unlike marvel Sony hasn’t handled a good property right and yes I’ll include venom cause that has much to be desired. A kraven solo film without Spider-Man is a dumb idea. All these Spider-Man less spin offs are dumb without the core character at the center.

you can get away with venom cause he sells abs is and akways was marketable . Who the heck is kraven? A guy who hunts but you take away the Spider-Man aspect then it’s just some dude who hunts. Yay. Let’s watch some generic hunter hunt whatever with no ties or history to the character that made him popular .

These aren’t just c list or d list characters they are characters tied to Spider-Man and his history and his mythos. I like how people like you seem to forget Sony almost ran the franchise into the ground before marvel stepped in.

i could care less if it’s in the mcu or not. But I care that’s it’s handled by competent people. Not everyone that doesn’t like the Sony spin offs has to be an mcu fanboy . Get outta here with that.
 
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Now just give her a scene with Zendaya's MJ for that Euphoria connection.

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Sounds terrible and makes absolutely no sense.

Why? She's less cool and can't fight. Julia is somebody who was cool even back when she was Spider-Woman and Arachne.

Madame Web isn't a fighter or a superhero for that matter.
 
This movie is classic Sony being Sony.

"Who else can we make a movie out of? We need that Spider-Man money"

"What about this Madame Webb? She travels the multiverse, she can be our Doctor Strange!"

"But she is old and confined to a chair? How do you make that interesting?"

"Easy, make her hot and young and not confined to that chair thing!"


I almost admire how shameless this is
 
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After hearing how much of a mess Morbius is, not to mention it's apparently following SM3 and TASM 2's record of having at least 50% of deleted material included in the marketing, I can't wait to see how they'll fumble this and Kraven.
 
After hearing how much of a mess Morbius is, not to mention it's apparently following SM3 and TASM 2's record of having at least 50% of deleted material included in the marketing, I can't wait to see how they'll fumble this and Kraven.

It is going to be a spectacular dumpster fire to behold!!!
 
This movie is classic Sony being Sony.

"Who else can we make a movie out of? We need that Spider-Man money"

"What about this Madame Webb? She travels the multiverse, she can be our Doctor Strange!"

"But she is old and confined to a chair? How do you male that interesting?"

"Easy, make her hot and young and not confined to that chair thing!"


I almost admire how shameless this is

Even in Ultimate Spider-Man Animated, where they used a younger and more active Madame Web, she doesn't really fight much and all she does is see all these different fates and realities.
 
hmm I feel like Black Cat and Silver Sable are better options as movies.

i hve a feeling this would join the ranks of Catwoman and Elektra if the movie is like really bad.
 
Even in Ultimate Spider-Man Animated, where they used a younger and more active Madame Web, she doesn't really fight much and all she does is see all these different fates and realities.

So they rip off What if S1E9. Madam Web sits in for the Watcher.
 
They're gonna have to make her more punchy in the movie. Otherwise, you don't really have one
 
I'm wondering if they are going to use the word "Madame" in the title.
 
After hearing how much of a mess Morbius is, not to mention it's apparently following SM3 and TASM 2's record of having at least 50% of deleted material included in the marketing, I can't wait to see how they'll fumble this and Kraven.

Had no idea they had a lot of deleted stuff in Morbius. But I think sony is trying to compete with them selfs for worst CBM ever with these movies lol.
 
One of the roles she has lined up is in “Madame Web,” a comic-book tentpole set in Sony’s Universe of Marvel Characters. Is she reading the comic books the movie is based on? “I am. I’ve been ordering a bunch of comic books,” she says. “There’s a lot to learn. I’ve always been a really big fan of all of the Marvel and Sony Universe movies. I’ve grown up watching them all and I’ve been engulfed in the entire world my entire life, so being able to be a part of that is such an incredible, incredible thing.”

Sydney Sweeney on Favorite 'Euphoria' Meme, Cassie's Dark Side - Variety
 
Hated the concept of this movie, but after watching Morbius and seeing how Sony are screwing up there continuity, Madame Web might work out to be a good reset of the continuity and mistakes.

I would start by bringing Carnage back. Have him fall through a crack from another reality.

I would forget/reset MCU Vulture and just have Keaton play a Sony variant with his own back story. Something closer to the comics.

They could set up a full live action Spiderverse with Morlun and the spider totems.
 
So much for Sony's upcoming movies being in a position to be successful. Unless Sony gets their act together, I can see Kraven and Madame Web going the way of Morbius. If they do, I think we can forget about Spider-Verse being a significant thing. Venom, while popular, will quickly play itself out. It was a good move getting Hardy, but I just don't see a longer term interest in the character. They'll need some pretty strong positive buzz if they want to go much further with the character, but him and Spidey are, IMO, pretty much it.
 

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