Mads Mikkelsen is Kaecilius Thread

[Mike Murdock]

So, under the assumption it's Kaluu, I decided to read the stories involving the character. The original story is nothing special (there are a couple of clever moments, but the villain isn't impressive). Then I read Strange Tales Vol. 2 #8-17 (partly because of Kaluu, but also because it featured another character the Lego sets hinted at). I have to say he was an interesting character (here, he was actually shown to be a good guy, although still a user of dark magic who could often be quite selfish). He ended up teaming up with Strange to teach him those arts.

I also finally answered the question literally nobody was able to answer when I asked it previously: Just what issue do they actually establish that Strange is an American. The answer is Strange Tales Vol. 2 #16 (so July of 1988), where they establish that he was born in the midwest.

 

[SirStrangefolk]

If he is Kaluu, then they might be keeping his role a secret in order to control more outrage at whitewashing another Asian character.

 

[Henshin]

If he is Kaluu, then they might be keeping his role a secret in order to control more outrage at whitewashing another Asian character.

Most sources say he will be called Kaecilius. Even if his character is based heavily on Kaluu, they won't call him that. Likely for your reasons.

 

[Mike Murdock]

No source is doing anything but blatantly speculating unless you can point to something?

 

[Chris B]

If he is Kaluu, then they might be keeping his role a secret in order to control more outrage at whitewashing another Asian character.

That's the one thing that makes me doubt that he's Kaluu as I'm not sure they could get away with whitewashing another character.

I still think he's Modred, but I could see them co-opting some of Kaluu's backstory for the MCU version.

 

[BarryAllen]

http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/mikkelsen-doctor-stranges-different-flavor-whats-not-love

And while he didn't reveal the identity of his character, he did offer up a glimpse of how he views his villain. “He’s not a villain in that way -- he’s a man who believes in something else than the hero. That doesn’t mean that he doesn’t want to make the planet look wonderful or he wants to save the world as well, but he has a different way of doing it. He is the antagonist, of course, but he’s not necessarily wrong.”

It looks like he'll be more antagonist than villain. I'm thinking Doctor Druid (also a student of the Ancient One) who goes rogue, with the Ancient One sending her other students Stephen Strange and Karl Mordo after him. This would also allow him to fit the description Fiege gave of him being a sorcerer who breaks off into his own sect, and believeing that the Ancient One is just protecting her own power base, as well being able to allow certain other dimensional things into our universe. Maybe Druid becomes a vessel for Dormammu or comes into contact with some mystical Dark Dimension object which causes him and his followers to have that effect around their eyes? It's a little similar to Mordo's villain role in the books, but maybe in a sequel we could see that Mordo betrays Strange and turns into a villain and pawn of Dormammu.

If not him then Kaluu seems likely as well.

 

[Henshin]

http://heroichollywood.com/mads-mikkelsens-character-revealed-doctor-strange/ Perhaps the thread title should be changed?

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[Henshin]

In the prequel comic, Kaecilius seems to be a decent guy who is a little arrogant. Not a villain bent on destruction like Ronan or Malekith. It's interesting because he seems a lot like Mordo in the animated movie, and Mordo himself isn't in the comic at all.
It lends quite a bit to the theory he gets possessed by a bigger threat.

 

[Mike Murdock]

Does the prequel comic identify him by name?

 

[Henshin]

Does the prequel comic identify him by name?

Yes, it identifies all the characters except the female villain. Introduced as "_____ master of the mystic arts" as they appear.

 

[Slushy]

Yes perhaps he is Dormmamu in human form

He should be. Would explain why Marvel is being all secretive with his role.

 

[TheCardPlayer]

Straight from Mads Mikkelsen himself

He's Kaecilius

 

[Henshin]

http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/fe...marvel-cinematic-universe#q7deomKHWrtwxbZp.99

' With Infinity War coming, Feige plans for all the galactic and Earth-based Marvel films to start to relate to each other (“if you’ve been following along, it will all connect”) and the biggest piece of that puzzle lays with the upcoming Doctor Strange.

“He [Doctor Strange] is certainly going to be much more involved in the MCU, I can confirm that is happening,” Doctor Strange director Scott Derrickson said. “His function, what we’ve wanted from the beginning, was to bring in these other dimensions and realities, which is something Doctor Strange can do. The Marvel Cinematic Universe will become the Marvel Cinematic Multiverse.”

The character who will do that will actually be Mads Mikkelsen’s Kaecilius, who is the villain of Doctor Strange. He is a combination of multiple Doctor Strange antagonists – according to Mikkelsen – who was developed “to allow us to introduce the idea of certain individuals who live in other dimensions, and we’ve done that,” Derrickson said, the closest anyone would come to mentioning classic Doctor Strange villain Dormammu. Mikkelsen himself was even more circumspect [and don’t even bother asking him about Star Wars].

“He’s a man of skill and inner strength who has certain ideas about how the world should be but keeps running into a little bump in the road called Doctor Strange,” Mikkelson said, but neither he nor star Benedict Cumberbatch would divulge more about the plot of the film. '

So, multiple villains combined under the name Kaecilius. They will use him to introduce Dormammu/Chthon/whoever. The question is whether Mikkelsen will play those characters as well, with Kaecilius becoming them, or he dies in order to introduce them with new actors in later movies.

 

[Miss Lois Lane]

Mads and his flawless eye makeup...

And speaking of flawless...Mads and Tilda

 

[Mike5575]

Who is Mads Mikkelsen? He is death and pain.

 

[Rowsdower!]

Mads is... a dude with really awesome hair.

 

[Mike Murdock]

Honestly, the hint of people falling and turning bad (showing an image of Mads Mikkelsen) shows how well he would have fit as either Kaluu or, frankly, Baron Mordo. That story is the backstory for both characters. Ultimately, he can take whatever name he wants since the villain is less important, but it does seem a waste to use an in name only character.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Why hasn't this thread title been changed yet?

 

[Marvolo]

What is wrong with his skin around his eyes? Fungal rot?

 

[Chris B]

Honestly, the hint of people falling and turning bad (showing an image of Mads Mikkelsen) shows how well he would have fit as either Kaluu or, frankly, Baron Mordo. That story is the backstory for both characters. Ultimately, he can take whatever name he wants since the villain is less important, but it does seem a waste to use an in name only character.

I have a feeling that the character might have been meant to be Kaluu at one point, but they couldn't find an appropriate Asian actor, so they changed it to avoid being open to more accusations of whitewashing.

At any rate, I'm curious to learn more about their decision to use Kaecilius as it that is such an obscure choice.

 

[Web-Head]

Why hasn't this thread title been changed yet?

Good question. Can a mod please change it?

 

[Web-Head]

He obviously won't get enough time to develop and will likely be considered another forgettable villain in the MCU. (I don't think they have as big of a problem as others) but I like the idea that he's more of an antagonist than villain. Hopefully, he gets a chance to shine.

 

[Guard82]

It's exciting to have Mads Mikkelsen as a villain in an MCU film, and I know that Marvel has been eager to work with him for some time, for obvious reasons.

It's interesting that Mikkelsen's character is an amalgamation of various Doctor Strange villains. I can definitely see the influence of Dormammu in his character; he gives off a Dormammu-like vibe with his presence. It'll be cool to see how he utilizes aspects of various Doctor Strange antagonists.

 

[Relugus]

Kaecilius is an amalgam character:
Kaecilius
Modred the Mystic
Kaluu
Druid

He's IMHO all four of them merged into one character.

He is clearly being possessed when he says "I am pain, I am death".

So, who is possessing him?

Chthon is my pick, for the following reasons:
1. He's already been seen operating in the MCU;
His alias The Other has already been shown giving the scepter to Loki, which then very conveniently ended up doing exactly what he wanted by creating Wanda.
2. He fits perfectly into Infinity War as a shadowy wildcard.
3. Why else would Strange seek out Wanda in the post-credits?
4. Lack of energy shown around Kaecilius when using powers in trailer....is it because it's red?
5. Easiest ancient evil villain to introduce, due to his backstory being heavily tied into that of Oshtur and the Vishanti. Dormammu by contrast would require a ton of separate exposition.

I could be totally wrong, of course, but....

 

[Henshin]

Kaecilius is an amalgam character:
Kaecilius
Modred the Mystic
Kaluu
Druid

He's IMHO all four of them merged into one character.

He is clearly being possessed when he says "I am pain, I am death".

So, who is possessing him?

Chthon is my pick, for the following reasons:
1. He's already been seen operating in the MCU;
His alias The Other has already been shown giving the scepter to Loki, which then very conveniently ended up doing exactly what he wanted by creating Wanda.
2. He fits perfectly into Infinity War as a shadowy wildcard.
3. Why else would Strange seek out Wanda in the post-credits?
4. Lack of energy shown around Kaecilius when using powers in trailer....is it because it's red?
5. Easiest ancient evil villain to introduce, due to his backstory being heavily tied into that of Oshtur and the Vishanti. Dormammu by contrast would require a ton of separate exposition.

I could be totally wrong, of course, but....

There's no magic coloured energy around the Ancient One when she shifts the buildings either.
My reasoning for Dormammu is mostly aesthetic. The symbol on the mindless zealot's heads reminds me of his silhouette. Also Strange and Mordo have their comic counterpart's tunic symbols subtly embroidered into their tunics rather than in big bold colours. Kaecilius also has a tunic symbol, sweeping horn shapes that also reminds me of Dormammu. If this were a stand alone movie I'd say him for sure.
However MCU wise Chthon would fit better as you say, but seeing as Kaecilius is an amalgamation there's nothing to stop them mixing the more cosmic characters together also. Chthon story with Dormammu aesthetic.