"Make America Great Again"the F'dup Chapters in American History (The Trump Years) - Part 6

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[mclay18]

Nothing would please me more than to see Drumpf led out of the White House in handcuffs.

 

[Schlosser85]

nothing would please me more than to see drumpf led out of the white house in handcuffs.

sad!

 

[Boom]

In any case, Trump doesn't seem particularly worried about it.

 

[Sithborg]

That's about the only reaction that wouldn't draw more attacks.

And Schiff seems to be hyping Sally Yates' testimony.

 

[BatLobster]

In any case, Trump doesn't seem particularly worried about it.

What I find hilarious about all of this is that I truly think Trump is so out of touch with reality that it's completely feasible that he and his campaign were committing treasonous acts without him even realizing it or giving it a second thought. If Russia wanted to help him "win", then they're good guys. It's that simple in his mind. Combine that with him believing any conspiracy theory Bannon or his twitter account put in front of him, and you have a scenario where it's entirely possible that he's guilty of treason but doesn't even realize it/thinks it's all a witch hunt.

The fact that Trump thought the information that his White House aids (extremely suspiciously) gave Nunes somehow vindicated him is proof of just how out of touch he is with what is happening here.

I don't think it's just spin and diversion anymore. I think he really is that oblivious to any wrongdoing on his part. When the FBI is investigating you and you're calling it a witch hunt by the Democrats and still talking about Hillary Clinton (despite the fact that we now know he was being investigated before he even won)...yeah, basically you can't take a single thing he says seriously at this point. I'm not saying Flynn's testimony will definitely crack this wide open if gets immunity, but the fact that Trump is acting like his usual petulant self about it should mean absolutely nothing to anybody who's been paying attention. His alternate reality, while terrifying on one hand because far too many Americans still believe it, is also rather amusing when it comes to him being unable to cope with how REAL this could get for him.

 

[Fading]

About Trump vs the Freedom Caucus (last thread closed while I was typing a response, lol). Someone said the Freedom caucus have to worry about not getting voted in, I'm not so sure. Some members are very safe thanks to Gerrymandering. I know that gets tossed around a lot, but one FC got nearly 80% of the vote. Some are far more safe than Trump, and can afford to turn on him with no repercussions.

I say let the republicans in Washington tear themselves apart. Trump goes into a cold war with Ryan, and attacks the FC. The FC fires back. Trump's former, and current cabinet turn on eachother. What do you expect when you surround yourself with rats, and your ships starts to spring leaks. Other republicans bounce back and forth in between party before country, and self preservation mode.

With all luck the level headed, country first republicans will take the reigns back. Personally, I think it's like Lord of the Flies. The children got put in charge, and can do whatever they like, but their decisions are not in anyone's best interest. They get to do what they've wanted to for years, and it's proving unpopular.

Where do you go as a party when you control the WH, congress, and the senate, and prove you can't even pass your own plans? When the American people are actually presented with core ideas of your party, and reject them? Trump being in charge while the republicans are in complete control, and them betting the farm on him, going all in. It's the worst set up to a potential perfect storm.

 

[C. Lee]

That sounds about right to me Bat.

 

[Fading]

What I find hilarious about all of this is that I truly think Trump is so out of touch with reality that it's completely feasible that he and his campaign were committing treasonous acts without him even realizing it or giving it a second thought.

I'm not sure if I'd feel happiness that he would be on his way out regardless, or pity he was so stupid. It seems to be true that he doesn't understand his job, at all. He threatens judges, insults democrats he's supposed to work with, hawks personal business ventures in an official capacity.

That said, I don't buy he's innocent via ignorance. He called Guilliani to ask how to make his Muslim ban legal. He surrounded himself with people who have close ties to Russia. He also comes off in a very sleezeball way. He may not do the dirty work directly, but I think he knows exactly what he's doing. He wants more, and is likely receiving more from a deal with Russia. I don't think he's a sleeper agent, but I do think he's greedy.

Edit - Though there are times where he comes off like that crazy conspiracy uncle you don't talk about. He goes to Fox and Friends, and Brietbart for news. He believes he's being wiretapped because he heard it somewhere. So I guess an argument could be made if he's all there mentally.

 

[Fading]

Yeah, you have to produce to complete the immunity agreement. Let's see if someone accepts the deal.

And there is no way this is a distraction. This is really, really bad for Trump. I look forward to new polls after this.

Agreed. I'm definitely no Matt. My legal knowledge comes from Law & Order, lol. But logically I can't see a prosecutor agreeing to immunity unless the person asking for immunity had something of substance to offer.

It's entirely possible it's nothing important, or new. Flynn could just be covering his ass, and he might not even dish out any dirt on Trump. It's just that I can't see the reason for Flynn to step back into the limelight, after having rode off already, and asking for immunity unless he had something important to say.

Again, he could just be damage controlling to protect his brand. We'll just have to wait, and see. However every second after it comes out that he wants immunity, until he testifies is bad press for Trump. Speculation can end up more damning. Many innocent people have been deemed scumbags for life by people who make up their minds the second they hear a story, but don't follow up after everything comes out.

 

[BatLobster]

I'm not sure if I'd feel happiness that he would be on his way out regardless, or pity he was so stupid. It seems to be true that he doesn't understand his job, at all. He threatens judges, insults democrats he's supposed to work with, hawks personal business ventures in an official capacity.

That said, I don't buy he's innocent via ignorance. He called Guilliani to ask how to make his Muslim ban legal. He surrounded himself with people who have close ties to Russia. He also comes off in a very sleezeball way. He may not do the dirty work directly, but I think he knows exactly what he's doing. He wants more, and is likely receiving more from a deal with Russia. I don't think he's a sleeper agent, but I do think he's greedy.

Edit - Though there are times where he comes off like that crazy conspiracy uncle you don't talk about. He goes to Fox and Friends, and Brietbart for news. He believes he's being wiretapped because he heard it somewhere. So I guess an argument could be made if he's all there mentally.

Oh on the contrary, I'm not saying he's innocent via ignorance. Treason is treason.

And yeah, it's all just classic sleazeball Trump being sleazeball Trump. He's used to getting his way, "winning" and getting out of legal jams without ever facing any real consequences.

Becoming President may have been the worst thing for him, because it's just putting such a magnifying glass on him and all his shady dealings.

 

[DACrowe]

Nothing would please me more than to see Drumpf led out of the White House in handcuffs.

It's going to be like the end of Goodfellas. I love it.

 

[Sithborg]

Agreed. I'm definitely no Matt. My legal knowledge comes from Law & Order, lol. But logically I can't see a prosecutor agreeing to immunity unless the person asking for immunity had something of substance to offer.

It's entirely possible it's nothing important, or new. Flynn could just be covering his ass, and he might not even dish out any dirt on Trump. It's just that I can't see the reason for Flynn to step back into the limelight, after having rode off already, and asking for immunity unless he had something important to say.

Again, he could just be damage controlling to protect his brand. We'll just have to wait, and see. However every second after it comes out that he wants immunity, until he testifies is bad press for Trump. Speculation can end up more damning. Many innocent people have been deemed scumbags for life by people who make up their minds the second they hear a story, but don't follow up after everything comes out.

I definitely think Flynn is trying to cover his ass. The more that seems to come out, especially his work with Turkey, he is facing a lot of jail time. Yates apparently going to sink him, according to Schiff. I'm sure he is also a bit upset at how Trump just abandoned him.

 

[DACrowe]

Oh on the contrary, I'm not saying he's innocent via ignorance. Treason is treason.

And yeah, it's all just classic sleazeball Trump being sleazeball Trump. He's used to getting his way, "winning" and getting out of legal jams without ever facing any real consequences.

Becoming President may have been the worst thing for him, because it's just putting such a magnifying glass on him and all his shady dealings.

Well it's said by historians that presidencies don't improve the man, but rather magnify and heighten whatever tendencies were there. Nixon's paranoia, W's oversimplified moral absolutism, Obama's professorial discipline and wonky patience, Clinton's well... ahem...


Trump was a sleazy con man who pursued ethically dubious business maneuvers all his life to enrich himself, often at the expense of his investors, employees, and contractors who always got left holding the bag. It only makes sense that these aspects are just being intensified inside the White House fish bowl.

 

[Fading]

Oh on the contrary, I'm not saying he's innocent via ignorance. Treason is treason.

And yeah, it's all just classic sleazeball Trump being sleazeball Trump. He's used to getting his way, "winning" and getting out of legal jams without ever facing any real consequences.

Becoming President may have been the worst thing for him, because it's just putting such a magnifying glass on him and all his shady dealings.

Gotcha. I do see what you're saying though. I mean he handed Germany an unofficial invoice for $300 billion for the US's involvement in NATO. The guy obviously doesn't fully understand what his job entails. That said, when it comes to under the table dealings, I think those are right up his ally. I could easily see the rumor of him helping Russia for a percentage of Ukrainian oil money being true.

 

[Sithborg]

Sounds like the Senate is not taking Flynn's immunity offer. Which is... interesting.

 

[Fading]

I definitely think Flynn is trying to cover his ass. The more that seems to come out, especially his work with Turkey, he is facing a lot of jail time. Yates apparently going to sink him, according to Schiff. I'm sure he is also a bit upset at how Trump just abandoned him.

On top of that, he was a public official. Former criminals can have a lot of trouble finding work. He may have avoided prison, but what happens when his potential employer recognizes him as that guy fired for lying to the VP, and may have colluded with Russia? I'm probably thinking about this in too much of an everyday man sort of way. Some employers may even want him more now. I just think he probably worries that if he leaves in such an ambiguous way, that this will follow him for the rest of his life.

Then again it could just be the obvious. He colluded with Russia, along with several others in Trump's camp, and he wants to get ahead of the incoming storm.

 

[BatLobster]

Gotcha. I do see what you're saying though. I mean he handed Germany an unofficial invoice for $300 billion for the US's involvement in NATO. The guy obviously doesn't fully understand what his job entails. That said, when it comes to under the table dealings, I think those are right up his ally. I could easily see the rumor of him helping Russia for a percentage of Ukrainian oil money being true.

I can easily see that being true too. What I'm saying is that in Trump's mind, he doesn't think of it in terms of "should I be aiding a hostile foreign government while I'm running for president?". I don't even think it crosses his mind as a bad thing to do, because his whole existence is based on making money and "winning".

I'm really not trying to oversimplify it, I just think Trump's mind really is wired that simply when it comes to stuff like this. It's like borderline psychopath stuff.

 

[Fading]

Sounds like the Senate is not taking Flynn's immunity offer. Which is... interesting.

This disappoints me a bit. I think Flynn getting off too easily was wrong. Trump even patted his back on the way out. However what he may have offered for immunity could have been *the* thing that really pushes this investigation forward. Now, we may never end up knowing. With the way this investigation has been met with dismissal, and interference.

 

[Sithborg]

There are good reasons not to jump on an immunity deal. It sounds like Flynn actually has to produce something before the Senate jumps on it. Of course, they could already know what he knows.

Oh, and it looks like we support Assad in Syria now...

 

[BatLobster]

Sounds like the Senate is not taking Flynn's immunity offer. Which is... interesting.

Source? Not seeing that yet.

In any case, from I understand he's reached out to the FBI as well, so we'll have to see what they do.

My one concern was that if he was still loyal to Trump, and his testimony would throw others under the bus while seeking to protect Trump. The Senate Committee has seemed pretty on the ball so far, so if they're rejecting the offer I would trust their judgement on the situation.

 

[samsnee]

What I find hilarious about all of this is that I truly think Trump is so out of touch with reality that it's completely feasible that he and his campaign were committing treasonous acts without him even realizing it or giving it a second thought. If Russia wanted to help him "win", then they're good guys. It's that simple in his mind. Combine that with him believing any conspiracy theory Bannon or his twitter account put in front of him, and you have a scenario where it's entirely possible that he's guilty of treason but doesn't even realize it/thinks it's all a witch hunt.

The fact that Trump thought the information that his White House aids (extremely suspiciously) gave Nunes somehow vindicated him is proof of just how out of touch he is with what is happening here.

I don't think it's just spin and diversion anymore. I think he really is that oblivious to any wrongdoing on his part. When the FBI is investigating you and you're calling it a witch hunt by the Democrats and still talking about Hillary Clinton (despite the fact that we now know he was being investigated before he even won)...yeah, basically you can't take a single thing he says seriously at this point. I'm not saying Flynn's testimony will definitely crack this wide open if gets immunity, but the fact that Trump is acting like his usual petulant self about it should mean absolutely nothing to anybody who's been paying attention. His alternate reality, while terrifying on one hand because far too many Americans still believe it, is also rather amusing when it comes to him being unable to cope with how REAL this could get for him.

He's a textbook narcissist who will twist any logic to support his worldview that he is perfect.

 

[fancyarcher]

https://***********/PeterAlexander/...****/PeterAlexander/status/847828272645885952

And Schiff's post.

https://***********/RepAdamSchiff/status/847790067716427780

"The public should learn a lot more about WHY General Flynn wants immunity when Sally Yates testifies before the House Intelligence Committee".

Sounds like they might not even need Flynn.

 

[samsnee]

I'm surprised they haven't tried to smear Yates more by saying she's part of the deep state trying to undermine Trump.