Comics Man, if MJ dies then thats it...

[gliderpilotgirl]

I don't hate MJ. I hate the misinterpretation of Spider-Man due to the bad writing of this relationship. Anyone who thinks MJ is the reason he exists doesn't get the character. And if that were all there was to Spider-Man, he wouldn't have lasted very long.

He doesn't exist because of MJ, but she has a big part in his life, rightfully so.

 

[JLBats]

Not to mention her dialouge is pure ****. Nobody talks like a 1930's film noir. Just doesn't happen.

I've never heard a criticism of a particular characters dialogue before. That's... weird

And also, just so you know, nobody talked the way Shakespeare wrote either.

 

[Citizen_Kaine]

I've never heard a criticism of a particular characters dialogue before. That's... weird

And also, just so you know, nobody talked the way Shakespeare wrote either.

Once you reach Grade 12 buddy, you'll see that other than the fact they were written in prose, Shakespearean dialouge was pretty accurate of the times and people watching his play's.

As for the dialouge thing I do have a problem with Peter talking about how "shes what keeps me going, what I'm fighting for" and than hiding in the attic writing love letters to Gwen.

 

[Sloth7d]

Nor the way Frank Millar writes his characters... well... exept Frank Millar

 

[MaxCarnage]

Once you reach Grade 12 buddy, you'll see that other than the fact they were written in prose, Shakespearean dialouge was pretty accurate of the times and people watching his play's.

As for the dialouge thing I do have a problem with Peter talking about how "shes what keeps me going, what I'm fighting for" and than hiding in the attic writing love letters to Gwen.

Actually, Shakespearean dialogue was written in "nobility speak", i.e. how the rich and affluent spoke when in their oppulent circles. That's why Shakespeare often included "lower class" characters in his plays, commonly considered the comic relief. These characters would often have dialogue that explained what was happening to the non-affluent who were watching the play.

 

[shinlyle]

Personally, I see a big marvel mind-wipe coming in the future (like everyone else does), then someting will happen so that MJ doesn't remember that Peter is Spider-Man, and the marriage will slowly dissolve a Peter fears the consequences of telling her the truth. I hate this idea, as it will cause us to slowly detest either MJ or Peter.

Personally, I think Marvel needs to open their eyes and realize that Peter and MJ have been married since 1988 (or was it 87?), and that most of the fans who read the book only know a married Peter....and they apparently haven't thought it made him seem too old, seeing as how the book has still been a top-seller for the, oh, 28 years since they tied the knot. If their writers have problems figuring out how to write a decent Peter & MJ relationship in the confines of a marriage, then I suggest they get new writers.

MJ, love her or hate her, is a staple in the Spider-verse. She's been around since the 60's, and she's been right beside him through 2 motion pictures that have grossed well over a billion dollars combined. She's as much a part of the Spider-books as Lois Lane is in the Super-books. By the way, Superman got married to Lois, didn't she? I don't see the Distinguished Competition crying and whining about how hard it is to write a marriage. Yeah, I know Superman and Spider-Man are like apples and oranges, but that deosn't change the fact that it seems like Marvel just hates the thought or having to do a little work.


You want my honest opinion? Here you go:

They're not going to kill MJ or have Peter and MJ divorce. Something else is going to happen, just like with the Unmasking, and Joe Q. is simply using misleading us so that we won't see it coming. That's what he did with the unmasking. We were so worked up about Peter and MJ that we didn't see that coming until the issue of ASM where Peter starts to remove his mask.

I'm calling his bluff...and I'm not getting all worked up over nothing again.

 

[Source]

Personally, I see a big marvel mind-wipe coming in the future (like everyone else does), then someting will happen so that MJ doesn't remember that Peter is Spider-Man, and the marriage will slowly dissolve a Peter fears the consequences of telling her the truth. I hate this idea, as it will cause us to slowly detest either MJ or Peter.

Personally, I think Marvel needs to open their eyes and realize that Peter and MJ have been married since 1988 (or was it 87?), and that most of the fans who read the book only know a married Peter....and they apparently haven't thought it made him seem too old, seeing as how the book has still been a top-seller for the, oh, 28 years since they tied the knot. If their writers have problems figuring out how to write a decent Peter & MJ relationship in the confines of a marriage, then I suggest they get new writers.

MJ, love her or hate her, is a staple in the Spider-verse. She's been around since the 60's, and she's been right beside him through 2 motion pictures that have grossed well over a billion dollars combined. She's as much a part of the Spider-books as Lois Lane is in the Super-books. By the way, Superman got married to Lois, didn't she? I don't see the Distinguished Competition crying and whining about how hard it is to write a marriage. Yeah, I know Superman and Spider-Man are like apples and oranges, but that deosn't change the fact that it seems like Marvel just hates the thought or having to do a little work.


You want my honest opinion? Here you go:

They're not going to kill MJ or have Peter and MJ divorce. Something else is going to happen, just like with the Unmasking, and Joe Q. is simply using misleading us so that we won't see it coming. That's what he did with the unmasking. We were so worked up about Peter and MJ that we didn't see that coming until the issue of ASM where Peter starts to remove his mask.

I'm calling his bluff...and I'm not getting all worked up over nothing again.

You sir...are absolutely right..finally someone gets it!!.t: ...though in response to the mindwipe...MJ forgetting Peter thing...I dont think that is even a possibility...Joe Q said in the same interview that he said he hated MJ.. that Divorcing/Widowing or anulling the marriage would be far worse than the alternative....if she forgets Peter is SpiderMan..and that causes problems with the marriage..yada yada...thats the same as anullment..which even Joe Q said would be bad...true..he loves to mislead...but I dont think thats one of them...2007...20th wedding Anniversary....Lois and Clark only have 10 years.......I hope they dont ruin that....I dont have another 20-40 years to wait for them to build something similar..yet never being the real thing!

 

[Dragon]

Okay..I just wanted to clarify something....Peter and MJ have been married since 1987 (Amazing Annual #21)...next summer will be the twentieth anniversary of that....20 years....no other character can boast of having a marriage that long...(Mr.Fantastic and Invisible Woman dont count because for awhile there werent any FF issues coming out)..

The 30th Anniversary of the FF marriage happened in 1995, long before the end of the FF series. And, just as the FF started new series, so did Spidey. There was no significant gap between FF series. So Sue & Reed have at this point 40 years of marriage to Peter & MJ's 20.

I love Mj....she is special...true her character at time should have been written better, but thats not "her" fault....If you ask someone off of the street about Spider Man's girl...4/5 will say Mj...that leaves 1/5 with Gwen or other...I have the article here somwhere if I can find..I'll post it....

Of course they'll name MJ. Because of the movies and their marriage of the past 20 years. Marvel even held a wedding with actors at Shea Stadium, however goofy that was. But that doesn't mean that the marrriage is an indispensible part of Spider-Man.

Gwen was important to Peter..he loved her......but not as deeply as MJ...for one point....they have more history..20 years before marriage...and 20 years after....No other woman will ever compare to that...Marvel might try..I wont put it past them...but none will...we've been down this road before...it never works....

He doesn't love MJ more. If anything, he loves them the same. But he chose Gwen. And that doesn't even matter. Peter is a comic book character. Any number of reasonable scenarios can take place with him. Another relationship could develop and be better handled than MJ, which has simply been a snooze for the past 20 years. Yes, it can be improved, but it's not going to be easy, and I doubt those running Marvel have any inclination of doing so. The Civil War crossover is the best selling series in a long, long time. So Joe Q is going to have carte blanche to do as he chooses now. He knows someone is going to buy this crap he's pumping out. So if he wants MJ gone, she's gone.

I've noticed those who hate MJ usually want two things....for Spider Man to do nothing but fight villians...or have a new girl each month (Black Cat,random girl..etc)...

Here's something I've observed. The people who tend to say that they, and Peter can't go on without MJ, haven't been reading very long. They tend to be people who've come on board because of the movies or otherwise have just been reading trade paper backs, buying a stack of comics when they go on sale at their local comic shop or buy the CDs with 40 years of Spidey comics on them. The point is, you guys haven't been around seeing this redundancy over 10, 20, 30 years. It's easy to dismiss it when you can read Spidey's entire run over a month or two, versus having had to wait month after month for these stories to come to disappointing climaxes, and more, see the Peter-MJ marriage be the same damn thing month after month, year after year. I was just looking over some back issues and realized that they've used the Stalker motif with MJ no less than 3 times. It's time for something new. It may not necessarily mean MJ dying, but something's got to change.

 

[Source]

The 30th Anniversary of the FF marriage happened in 1995, long before the end of the FF series. And, just as the FF started new series, so did Spidey. There was no significant gap between FF series. So Sue & Reed have at this point 40 years of marriage to Peter & MJ's 20..

Spider man has been in continious publication...whether its Amazing,Spectacular, Peter Parker,Sensational, or FNSM....the FF havent...they went away and they didnt come back for a few years...so no...they dont have a legitimate gap.

Of course they'll name MJ. Because of the movies and their marriage of the past 20 years. Marvel even held a wedding with actors at Shea Stadium, however goofy that was. But that doesn't mean that the marrriage is an indispensible part of Spider-Man..

I'm not going to even respond to this one.

He doesn't love MJ more. If anything, he loves them the same. But he chose Gwen. And that doesn't even matter. Peter is a comic book character. Any number of reasonable scenarios can take place with him. Another relationship could develop and be better handled than MJ, which has simply been a snooze for the past 20 years. Yes, it can be improved, but it's not going to be easy, and I doubt those running Marvel have any inclination of doing so. The Civil War crossover is the best selling series in a long, long time. So Joe Q is going to have carte blanche to do as he chooses now. He knows someone is going to buy this crap he's pumping out. So if he wants MJ gone, she's gone..

Thats true...if he wants her gone...she will go...someone will always buy this crap.....but its all about numbers...and if he does it...they wont be there....I dont care how many new, young readers you get.

Here's something I've observed. The people who tend to say that they, and Peter can't go on without MJ, haven't been reading very long. They tend to be people who've come on board because of the movies or otherwise have just been reading trade paper backs, buying a stack of comics when they go on sale at their local comic shop or buy the CDs with 40 years of Spidey comics on them. The point is, you guys haven't been around seeing this redundancy over 10, 20, 30 years. It's easy to dismiss it when you can read Spidey's entire run over a month or two, versus having had to wait month after month for these stories to come to disappointing climaxes, and more, see the Peter-MJ marriage be the same damn thing month after month, year after year. I was just looking over some back issues and realized that they've used the Stalker motif with MJ no less than 3 times. It's time for something new. It may not necessarily mean MJ dying, but something's got to change.

As far as how long I've been reading...I've been around for a few decades..so dont try to play that card with me...yeah and the marriage is the same..month after month...well so is the fights..and the villians...and the newspaper scenario...but I dont see people crying for that to change...as far as change is concerned..yes..there needs to be a change to shake things up again..but its not killing MJ..they've tried that before and it didnt work...so why is this time going to be any different...its not..say what you want....its not.

 

[Dragon]

Spider man has been in continious publication...whether its Amazing,Spectacular, Peter Parker,Sensational, or FNSM....the FF havent...they went away and they didnt come back for a few years...so no...they dont have a legitimate gap.

Apparently you've never followed the FF. FF ended during onslaught, and were back within a month or two with the Heroes Reborn FF title. Which was followed immediately after with the new FF title which is running today. There was never any gap of years. And even so, again Reed and Sue were married 30 years in 1995, a year before the title ended. So no matter how you slice it, they've been married far longer than Peter and MJ.

 

[Themanofbat]

Apparently you've never followed the FF. FF ended during onslaught, and were back within a month or two with the Heroes Reborn FF title. Which was followed immediately after with the new FF title which is running today. There was never any gap of years. And even so, again Reed and Sue were married 30 years in 1995, a year before the title ended. So no matter how you slice it, they've been married far longer than Peter and MJ.

I have to agree with Dragon here... there may have been a month or two between volumes, but the FF has been as regualr as Spidey has been over the last 40+ years. Heck, there was even a month gap between volumes of ASM when they rebooted that title.

Now, there have been issues of the FF in which different team members were in the FF (if that's what you mean), but for all intent and purposes, Reed & Sue have indeed been married for 40 year.

 

[Kevin]

Here's something I've observed. The people who tend to say that they, and Peter can't go on without MJ, haven't been reading very long. They tend to be people who've come on board because of the movies or otherwise have just been reading trade paper backs, buying a stack of comics when they go on sale at their local comic shop or buy the CDs with 40 years of Spidey comics on them. The point is, you guys haven't been around seeing this redundancy over 10, 20, 30 years. It's easy to dismiss it when you can read Spidey's entire run over a month or two, versus having had to wait month after month for these stories to come to disappointing climaxes, and more, see the Peter-MJ marriage be the same damn thing month after month, year after year. I was just looking over some back issues and realized that they've used the Stalker motif with MJ no less than 3 times. It's time for something new. It may not necessarily mean MJ dying, but something's got to change.

Let's start off with this. I'm 19 now, so I grew up with the TAS. I also watched the movies. I didn't get into comics until the end of 2004, so I am one of those readers who's read spider-man in some months with the 40 year cd-rom thing. I'm a MJ fan. In fact, I like her more than Peter, as he pisses me off sometimes. I've always known, or thought that Peter was meant to be with MJ, me clearly never hearing of "Gwen". That said, let me tell you that everything that happened in spider-man is redundant. I understand, and honestly feel for the people who had the go through decades of "I love her, but Gwen can never know i'm spider-man." "it would kill may if she ever discovered that i'm spider-man." "Oh no! Doc oct is on the loose again!" or "Peter, you can't go out as spider-man again. listen to me, I'm your wife." but to say that guys like me don't understand the redundancy of it, ever though you didn't say it in those exact words, is bull.

How many times have J. Jonah Jameson tried to kill/unmask spider-man? How many times did Flash Thompson say "Puny Parker"? How many times did Betty Brant, Liz Allen, Gwen Stacey, Deb Whitmen (sp?) give Peter the cold shoulder because they thought he broke off their date to go out with some other girl, when really he was being spider-man? How many times has May had a heart attack? How many times did Peter's home get destoyed by this villian or that villian. Now try to imaging that you want to get into spider-man for the first time, and then read 500+ issues within a 5 to 7 month period only to go through this issue by issue by issue. At least you had the privilege to absorb the stories month by month. Do you know how many times I had to stop reading for weeks because it was tiring to have the same villian, the same story, basically the same damn thing happening?

Really, I get that 40 years of this is too much, but redundancy is still redundancy no matter what the timeframe may be, so please throw the whole "noob" arguement away.

Also, I'm not one of those fans who would say that MJ soley keeps Peter going, but really, if he weren't a comic character, weren't a hero, and were alone, he would've killed himself a long time ago because of all the crap that has happened to him. I would think it would be nice to have someone to go home to at night, to talk to, to take care of me a little if I was out everyday saving the world. Peter has been lucky throughout the years to have people there when crisis' happened. Uncle Ben, he had May. Gwen, he had May, MJ, and other friends. His parents coming only to learn they weren't real and tried to kill him... well... he kinda tried to keep to himself, but still had people there for him. When MJ died... the second time, he had Jill Stacey (sp?) my point is, even though I lost it a bit, is that MJ, Family, and friends were always there for him. He has barely been on his own, so doing so now would really suck. He would go off the handle, and if he doesn't, it wouldn't feel real.

Let me pick another point because I just lost the last one. Basically, The marriage is what it is for certain people. I'm fine with it because it is the only thing that really makes me keep reading spider-man comics. Not really because it's MJ, but because Peter is happy. And when is is ever happy? He was happy with Gwen, but they were going to get married unless they killed her. He's happy with MJ, but writers don't like her because they think she makes Peter old. When I read Spider-man, I never think of is age. I know he's growing as a character, but I never see him as "Old." and anyone who does is a bit slow.

Okay, this next part may seem weird, but I'd be fine with MJ being gone for a while. Not dead, but not there. I want to see what the writers come up with. I don't want to see Peter dating around because, to me, it'd be pointless. Where would it ever go? Nowhere. He can't be married, because that would just put him in that "old" place again. There would be countless girls that we'd have to put up with, only for him to find that they're nothing like Gwen or MJ, so they're not right for him. And what would that also be? Redundancy. There's no escaping it, and certain people can handle it better that others. not me, really. Young as I may be, I do get tired too.

I do agree with you, though. Something needs to change. I'd like a new writer on Amazing because, shocking as it may be because I'm one of the ones that liked... that story about gwen (I don't want to say the name of the story) I'm getting bored of JMS. He's a good writer, but I would love for marvel to give somone new a chance. (Really, I do think JMS may be leaving soon as Loeb is getting a spidey title. I don't See him on a second hand title like FNSM or Sen, so Amazing would be my best guess... unless, of course, there's going to be ANOTHER spidey title)

Okay, this has went on far too long with me not really making a point, a good one at least. That is all. Laterz.

 

[kguillou]

i think COMIC BOY spoke for all of us. There is a alot of repetitiveness and redundancy. By the way, whatever happened to Jill Stacey? I remember she had a thing for Peter a couple years back, i thought they were gonna take that further? What happened to her?

 

[Dragon]

Let's start off with this. I'm 19 now, so I grew up with the TAS. I also watched the movies. I didn't get into comics until the end of 2004, so I am one of those readers who's read spider-man in some months with the 40 year cd-rom thing. I'm a MJ fan. In fact, I like her more than Peter, as he pisses me off sometimes. I've always known, or thought that Peter was meant to be with MJ, me clearly never hearing of "Gwen". That said, let me tell you that everything that happened in spider-man is redundant. I understand, and honestly feel for the people who had the go through decades of "I love her, but Gwen can never know i'm spider-man." "it would kill may if she ever discovered that i'm spider-man." "Oh no! Doc oct is on the loose again!" or "Peter, you can't go out as spider-man again. listen to me, I'm your wife." but to say that guys like me don't understand the redundancy of it, ever though you didn't say it in those exact words, is bull.

How many times have J. Jonah Jameson tried to kill/unmask spider-man? How many times did Flash Thompson say "Puny Parker"? How many times did Betty Brant, Liz Allen, Gwen Stacey, Deb Whitmen (sp?) give Peter the cold shoulder because they thought he broke off their date to go out with some other girl, when really he was being spider-man? How many times has May had a heart attack? How many times did Peter's home get destoyed by this villian or that villian. Now try to imaging that you want to get into spider-man for the first time, and then read 500+ issues within a 5 to 7 month period only to go through this issue by issue by issue. At least you had the privilege to absorb the stories month by month. Do you know how many times I had to stop reading for weeks because it was tiring to have the same villian, the same story, basically the same damn thing happening?

Really, I get that 40 years of this is too much, but redundancy is still redundancy no matter what the timeframe may be, so please throw the whole "noob" arguement away.

Also, I'm not one of those fans who would say that MJ soley keeps Peter going, but really, if he weren't a comic character, weren't a hero, and were alone, he would've killed himself a long time ago because of all the crap that has happened to him. I would think it would be nice to have someone to go home to at night, to talk to, to take care of me a little if I was out everyday saving the world. Peter has been lucky throughout the years to have people there when crisis' happened. Uncle Ben, he had May. Gwen, he had May, MJ, and other friends. His parents coming only to learn they weren't real and tried to kill him... well... he kinda tried to keep to himself, but still had people there for him. When MJ died... the second time, he had Jill Stacey (sp?) my point is, even though I lost it a bit, is that MJ, Family, and friends were always there for him. He has barely been on his own, so doing so now would really suck. He would go off the handle, and if he doesn't, it wouldn't feel real.

Let me pick another point because I just lost the last one. Basically, The marriage is what it is for certain people. I'm fine with it because it is the only thing that really makes me keep reading spider-man comics. Not really because it's MJ, but because Peter is happy. And when is is ever happy? He was happy with Gwen, but they were going to get married unless they killed her. He's happy with MJ, but writers don't like her because they think she makes Peter old. When I read Spider-man, I never think of is age. I know he's growing as a character, but I never see him as "Old." and anyone who does is a bit slow.

Okay, this next part may seem weird, but I'd be fine with MJ being gone for a while. Not dead, but not there. I want to see what the writers come up with. I don't want to see Peter dating around because, to me, it'd be pointless. Where would it ever go? Nowhere. He can't be married, because that would just put him in that "old" place again. There would be countless girls that we'd have to put up with, only for him to find that they're nothing like Gwen or MJ, so they're not right for him. And what would that also be? Redundancy. There's no escaping it, and certain people can handle it better that others. not me, really. Young as I may be, I do get tired too.

I do agree with you, though. Something needs to change. I'd like a new writer on Amazing because, shocking as it may be because I'm one of the ones that liked... that story about gwen (I don't want to say the name of the story) I'm getting bored of JMS. He's a good writer, but I would love for marvel to give somone new a chance. (Really, I do think JMS may be leaving soon as Loeb is getting a spidey title. I don't See him on a second hand title like FNSM or Sen, so Amazing would be my best guess... unless, of course, there's going to be ANOTHER spidey title)

Okay, this has went on far too long with me not really making a point, a good one at least. That is all. Laterz.

There are certain things you have to accept as par for the course. Spider-Man is a superhero. He fights supervillains. You have to accept that at face value or you might as well not read the comics at all. But it's a different matter altogether when you're talking about redundancy when nothing happens at all. The Marriage has stayed in the same place, with the same exact action occuring over the past twenty years. Even when you get to Spidey's 50th battle with Doc Ock or whomever, there are still some variances that keep it exciting.

And I'm sorry- but reading Spidey's 44 year history in two years isn't the same as being a long term fan. But that's neither here nor there. My point was only that the fans who believe that Peter will turn to dust if MJ isn't around tend to be fans who haven't been around that long.

 

[DACrowe]

Meh.

Peter being married is a great idea. MJ is a great character. ****ty writing has just made it seem like a problem. Instead of fixing it, Marvel will just create bigger problems for character development and progression by killing her, nevermind alienating a lot of fans.

On that note, the mindwipe does not work because there is DOCUMENTED EVIDENCE, PHOTOS, VIDOES, BOOKS ETC. that have covered the Civil War, in particular who Spider-Man is and there are bound to be plenty of photos of Peter and MJ married not to mention documentation, even if they "forgot" about it though.

 

[Flint Marko]

Peter'll never fall in love again after this. I mean its sort of like a "fool me once, fool me twice" situation. His first true love died (gwen) now if they decide to kill his second TRUE love then that it. I dont see peter coming back from this. Mary Jane is like his driving force to stay alive. I think thats how he managed to dig his way out of kraven's grave. If MJ dies, there can never be another woman for peter like her. I mean, they've been together since the 70's for god's sake! I dunno, what do y'all think?

I agree
p.s. 50th post! wahooo! i'm getting there

 

[Kevin]

There are certain things you have to accept as par for the course. Spider-Man is a superhero. He fights supervillains. You have to accept that at face value or you might as well not read the comics at all. But it's a different matter altogether when you're talking about redundancy when nothing happens at all. The Marriage has stayed in the same place, with the same exact action occuring over the past twenty years. Even when you get to Spidey's 50th battle with Doc Ock or whomever, there are still some variances that keep it exciting.

And I'm sorry- but reading Spidey's 44 year history in two years isn't the same as being a long term fan. But that's neither here nor there. My point was only that the fans who believe that Peter will turn to dust if MJ isn't around tend to be fans who haven't been around that long.

Okay, yes, Spider-Man is a hero, so he has to fight villians. okay. But he will have to fight that same villians again, sometimes over and over. See, It happaned with, example, Venom, The reason I don't like him. He was in the comics a lot, way too much, a lot. He kept coming back. he kept having the same stupid reason for comig back. Same with other villians, they rob someone or something, spidey comes to save the day, they end up in jail, they either get let out or break out, and once again, they rob someone or something. Please tell me that's not something you look forward to every month. I'm not, so what, I should give up reading comics because that's what they are mostly about? Fighting this guy or that guy month after month? No. Over the last 44 years, spidey has been more than about fighting, It's been about the drama. That's what I look forward to when I read comics.

You see, Peter Parker was in high school, met a few girls, had family problems, had work problems. Went to college, met a serious girlfriend, family problems, work problems. Dropped out of school, got married, family problems, work problems. In within all of this, he was Spidey fighting electro, venom, oct, one or the other goblins and more. My point is, the fighting barely changed. The excuses got old. Once in a blue moon they had a new villian (I mean now because stan the man lee came out with a new bad guy back in the day every issue, just about) The things that happened in his life are the only things that haved moved forward. He grew as a character, and not in age, but as a person.

You know why I like reading FNSM and Sen? Because we fans got a LONG break from the usual villains, so when they popped back up, we got excited. Mysterio, Molten man, Chameleon... Hell, dude, the freaking Will-o'-the-wisp! when the hell is the last time YOU saw him? a while, right? Exactly. I get that there has to be a certain rotation of villians, but for me personally, It gets boring. Basically because it more than likely will end the same.

And about the marriage, I agree that nothing has happened in a while, I'm not blind. But why SHOULD something have to happen? Better yet, what COULD happen. Have some girl try to break them up because she wants him? That'll last a whille, but for how long before it gets tired? some people say they should've never gotten married in the first place, Peter was too young. So we see him dating around for a while, but why? SO HE COULD FIND SOMEONE TO SPEND THE REST OF HIS LIFE WITH, ANYWAY. Peter is not a swinger, he is a family man, always has been, always will be, unless, of course, they change his character drastically like DC did to a certain batgirl. Kill MJ, so we'll have to deal with a sad Peter for god knows how long. Better yet, Kill MJ, so Peter gets over it in 6 months our time, that's realistic. The best thing in my eyes for marvel to do is just leave it alone, or change it without upsetting the cosmos.

What do I mean? MJ is there, says a few lines, helps Peter when he's injured, this could be done in less then five pages an issue. This is pretty much how it is at the moment. Or, Don't have MJ in the comics but every few issues. That's kool. Or, Have them separate because they're not in love with one another anymore, or because they can't handle being married any longer, but could be friends. I honestly could care less if they're married anymore. They could be best friends, though. MJ and Peter will still love each other in a different way, but each go home to someone else at night. She'll still be there to do the things they do, everything but have sex, though. (Most friends don't have sex with each other... that's what I hope at least because it messes the friendship up a bit) I like my last idea, it could probably work. And guess what, this could be a perfectly good way out of the marriage. It's real enough. Anything, really, to save MJ as I am a fan of hers. I guess I'm done with that topic, moving on to a new one.

Now I need to ask a question. Peter Parker, Nerd, married Mary Jane Watson, who happened to be his friend and, down the road, became a supermodel. "Peter Parker married a model. He is suppose to be an everyman. Everymen don't married supermodel." Yeah... sure... that's not my problem, though, as I hear it alot. Is it impossible to imaging peter getting married to MJ because she's a supermodel? Is she too famous? Is it because she's too pretty to want to be with an "everyman" like Peter? Really, I need to know because yeah, she's supermodel, but he's spider-man. It would A cold day in hell before she became more famous than him. Not even in our world, but in 616. And if it's because she's too pretty, than that's bull. I hate to say it, I really do, But Gwen damn Stacey is more pure, and 10x prettier, and I never heard anyone complain about that. She was no supermodel, but she was also a bore. Not knocking her character, but she had nothing going for her. Maybe if they wanted to make her a school teacher, counselor, something, I'd be into her. She was never going to make it as a scientist because then, marvel would have to put effort into her character, and we know how much they hate doing that. Oh, and she was too much drama for my liking. I know I like drama, but she was just too much, but please don't think I dislike her. She was cool enough, I just didn't see anywhere for her in the future. That was mostly marvel's fault for not developing her character enough for me. I hope people will believe me when I say this, but i'm unbiased. I'm not more favored towards MJ than Gwen, or other girls. I'm all for seeing where anything can go. I look forward to change, good as it may be, bad as it may be.

Now for my parting words, Will I get upset if they kill someone close to Peter? No, not anymore. It's something I hope they do because, even though it's been done before, sometimes to the same character, it hasn't been done in a while. Maybe good stories will come out of it. Maybe we'll see things one way, but something else really happened and what we saw was just to fool us. So there's no need for anyone to get upset about it, and if someone does, oh well. Not everyone will be happy about something that has happened to their favorite character, and there's nothing you can do about it because for every 10 people who hates something, 2 people will like it. And lucky guys like me can be on a middle ground. I have a feeling that this won't be the last time I have to respond to something in this thread, mainly because I kept losing my points back there and may have to make sense of them later, so I'll be signing off.

Kevin D. Smith.

 

[kguillou]

Here's the thing: The REAL problem with getting rid of mary jane ( whether death or divorce or whatever) is that most likely they will have peter depressed for a couple of years and then start dating again. This is wrong on soo many levels. For one, it destroys credibility. Suppose in the distant future Peter falls in love with another woman, we long term spiderman fans will be like " Yeah right, fool me once fool me twice". We'll know that eventually these two will break up. Mary Jane is Peter's true love and at this point after being together for so long it would be absolutely ridiculous to have Peter start over with another woman, and this new woman would have to top mary jane. How are your gonna top a couple thats been together for 30 years?? If mary jane goes, then Peter can never marry again, it would just be ridiculous otherwise and wouldnt make sense. But Marvel seems to be losing its marbles lately so....

This is the main problem with the Spiderman mythos nowadays, credibility is destroyed because marvel is using all these stories that should be saved for a much later date. Like aunt may's death. We all knew she would die one day, and when she did it was powerful and dramatic and just absolutely well done. Then, marvel lost their mind and ressurected her. Fool you! Now when this real aunt may eventually dies, they're gonna have to top the classic Amazing spiderman #400 death. And even then we'll all wonder if she's really dead.

The same goes for this unmasking, I always thought that marvel would save the umasking story for something like issue #800 of amazing, but they just couldnt help themselves. Its too early in spidey's comic career to have him unmasked, but now that they've done it there's no turning back unless they retcon it. Once again, credibility is destroyed. So now, in the future when Peter finally does publicly unmask for real, we'll all be like " Been there, done that, yea right..."

Anyway sorry for ranting, but my overall point is, Mary Jane can't leave Peter now, they've come too far, and if she goes, they might as well recreate spider-man. I mean can you picture Peter saying "I Love you" to anyone else besides Mary Jane? Peace.

 

[Spider - Man]

I hate MJ almost as much as most posters on here love her. The two people currently on a Spider title who can write her, are doing that perfectly in their alternate universe titles. JMS is alright, nothing really impressive though besides making her a stage actress. J.M. Dematis was amazing as well, but he aint even near the "big two" right now. My problems with her all began with her suddenly getting married to Peter about two days after he had sex with Felicia. Granted, the whole troubled childhood thing, and knowing all along worked well and could have actually been a workable thing, had the characters settled down later. Getting them married within one issue to make sure Stan Lee didn't upstage them with his strip. Not cool.

Here are some of my other issues with MJ

1. Gwen Stacy: Gwen outshines her and always will. A problem that arises by killing off one of the most beloved love intrests of all time.

2. MJ as a famous actress: Yeah we can all relate to the everyman, who's wife is a TV star and is on more magazines them Jen and Angelina combined.

3. She's a *****: Running out of idea's with the character, we had MJ take up smoking, have a partial affair, and the always favorite, whine at Pete for saving the world, while you sit on your ass and watch "As the World Turns".

Not to mention her dialouge is pure ****. Nobody talks like a 1930's film noir. Just doesn't happen.

However, In every incarnation of Spidey, there is an MJ. Ultimate, MC2, The Movies, Games, Hot Pockets, one thing doesn't exist without the other. Which is why any divorce, death, breakup, will never, ever work. We'll hate Joey Q and keep on reading , but eventually she'll come back

Which is why we must support the Spidey/Pryde, relationship to get rid of that redheaded ****e once and for all! HAHAHAHAHA!!!

Seriously though it would be really stupid to get rid of her now.

First of all, how does Gwen outshine MJ in ANY way? If you go back a read ASM #31 thru #121 and tell me where she was ever portrayed as anything more than angst-ridden window-dressing. She had all the personality of a peach-pit. I know I'd rather go out on the town with MJ ANY day than with Gwen. 'Course I like to have a good time when I go out so go figure.

Secondly in regards to this thread, whatever happens to MJ in the near future, anyone who has read Spider-girl knows that MJ is alive if a bit crippled in the distant future and she and Peter are together so unless some idiots at Marvel are gonna totally disregard that bit of fact, MJ will remain alive and if she does lose her memory, it will be temporary. How's THAT for a run-on sentence?

 

[Sloth7d]

Yeah I stopped reading when the words started forming fortresses.

 

[Venomfan]

Secondly in regards to this thread, whatever happens to MJ in the near future, anyone who has read Spider-girl knows that MJ is alive if a bit crippled in the distant future and she and Peter are together so unless some idiots at Marvel are gonna totally disregard that bit of fact, MJ will remain alive and if she does lose her memory, it will be temporary. How's THAT for a run-on sentence?

spider-girl isnt in continuity, although i think they should make it so, i like the idea of it, now just bring baby may back

 

[gliderpilotgirl]

spider-girl isnt in continuity, although i think they should make it so, i like the idea of it, now just bring baby may back

It is not in 616 continuity, they call it the MC2 universe, just to clarify.

 

[Spider - Man]

It is not in 616 continuity, they call it the MC2 universe, just to clarify.

Well, in that case, maybe she does die!

But regardless, MJ is WAY cooler than Gwen!

 

[Dragon]

First of all, how does Gwen outshine MJ in ANY way?

Well, not to put MJ down, as I actually do love the character, but in pretty much every comparison between the two, Gwen came out on top. For example, ASM #47. When Gwen starts dancing, nobody was paying attention to MJ. Or ASM #83, when they both kiss Flash goodbye. Gwen's kiss has alot more impact on Flash. And then there is of course the fact that Gwen is the one Peter chose to be with.

If you go back a read ASM #31 thru #121 and tell me where she was ever portrayed as anything more than angst-ridden window-dressing. She had all the personality of a peach-pit. I know I'd rather go out on the town with MJ ANY day than with Gwen. 'Course I like to have a good time when I go out so go figure.

Okay. You might as well have just typed a series of periods, exclamation points and question marks. Because what you have there makes no more sense. You just tossed alot of hyperbole without backing up anything you say. If you've read ASM #31-121, you'd know that Gwen was for the most part cheerful and fun to be with. BUT- she had an emotional connection to Peter and thus had to show an emotional response to what was going on with him. What's silly is when people like yourself bring this up as a strike against Gwen, when if you've read the MJ stories, she does EXACTLY THE SAME THING, placed in those same situations. I mean, I was just doing some research for another discussion and was reminded that MJ was in pieces from the first moment she discussed Peter's identity with him.

And, I'd love for you to point to me anything indicating that Peter didn't enjoy being with Gwen, or where it appeared she'd be a drag to be with. Or, for that matter when it looked like he was enjoying being with MJ more.

It's fine if you prefer MJ. But if you're going to trash another character, try making sense.

 

[Dangerous]

No. This is why I almost hope they do kill MJ off. I'm sick of people saying that MJ is the reason Peter lives, fights etc. That's complete bull. Pete does what he does because its the right thing. Statements like that attempt to invalidate all that he accomplished before he got together with MJ. He'll continue to fight whether she's there or not. That's another reason why I liked Peter better with Gwen. He just ewasn't written as sappy as he is with MJ. This is why these books need to be written by actual grown-ups who've had relationships. Someone who knows about life doesn't right things like "I live and fight for her".

True, if you are w/ one chick for long enuff you do get tired of hittin it, heh.

If anything, Peter/Spider-Man was a FAR, FAR stronger character without MJ. The books were better written and more enjoyable. She's a frickin' albatross. An anchor around Peter's neck. She didn't have to be, but she is. And at this point, they've written her into a corner. She actually convinced Peter to unmask when she knows full well the consequences of such a decision. Short of shooting Peter in his sleep, she can't be written to be much dumber.

Yeah she is written crap and has been forever.
But that is no reason to go off and kill her, that’s just giving in.
They need a writer ho can write a marriage so it is interesting for us, and also knows how to make MJ more 3D and realistic.
Marvel killing her would just be another reason why they suck, it would be like them just admitting they can't be assed trying.
You can't blame MJ for the unmasking, blame the editorial.
In reality MJ would not have advised him to unmask and PP would not have even considered it anyway.
At least the red and blues are almost back!,