The Amazing Spider-Man Marc Webb to return?

[Mike]

Right...he focused on each movie and went on from there. He wasn't worried about what to leave open to make the next one. Neither did Raimi. The only thing directors do is leave cliff hangers at the end of movies like BB and the Joker card or Harry finding his father's secret room. If Harry had found his father's room at the beginning of SM2 and they never move it forward from that...it would suck. If Gordon gives Batman a Joker card at the beginning of BB and they never reference it again then it would suck. Who really thought that was a way to make a great movie? Webb? Arad? Sony?

didnt nolan and goyer have a basic blueprint for three movies
Before batman begins? But wanted all of their movies to stand on their own? I read that a long time ago leading up to BB premiere. Hell he even planned to have joke in tdkr.

 

[Mike]

Maybe....but it doesn't change the fact that Lizard was horrible in the movie.

in your opinion. Dr. Doom, blackheart, galactus cloud, venom, green goblin in sm1, absorbing dad in ang lees hulk. Bullseye,Were far worse....imo lol

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Right...he focused on each movie and went on from there. He wasn't worried about what to leave open to make the next one. Neither did Raimi. The only thing directors do is leave cliff hangers at the end of movies like BB and the Joker card or Harry finding his father's secret room. If Harry had found his father's room at the beginning of SM2 and they never move it forward from that...it would suck. If Gordon gives Batman a Joker card at the beginning of BB and they never reference it again then it would suck. Who really thought that was a way to make a great movie? Webb? Arad? Sony?

Exactly. There is a huge difference between a cliffhanger and a plotline that just gets dropped.

 

[Anno_Domini]

Right...he focused on each movie and went on from there. He wasn't worried about what to leave open to make the next one. Neither did Raimi. The only thing directors do is leave cliff hangers at the end of movies like BB and the Joker card or Harry finding his father's secret room. If Harry had found his father's room at the beginning of SM2 and they never move it forward from that...it would suck. If Gordon gives Batman a Joker card at the beginning of BB and they never reference it again then it would suck. Who really thought that was a way to make a great movie? Webb? Arad? Sony?

Even with the Joker card at the end, Batman Begins could've still been Nolan's only Batfilm and that would just be fine, imo.

didnt nolan and goyer have a basic blueprint for three movies
Before batman begins? But wanted all of their movies to stand on their own? I read that a long time ago leading up to BB premiere. Hell he even planned to have joke in tdkr.

They only had ideas, but nothing set in place for a trilogy as they focused on one film at a time. Heck, for The Dark Knight they even thought of a second and third film but instead combined those two for the plot for TDK.

 

[LegendAssemble]

in your opinion. Dr. Doom, blackheart, galactus cloud, venom, green goblin in sm1, absorbing dad in ang lees hulk. Bullseye,Were far worse....imo lol

Lost all credibility. And no Nolan and Goyer didn't have a blueprint for 3 films. He knew he was using the Joker in Part 2 and during production of it he thought maybe the Joker could scar Harvey in Part 3, but he did the smart thing and included the best ideas he had at the time in what he was working with. He said just after TDK came out he wasn't going to do TDKR until he could figure out the right story. Batman Begins works as a stand alone film, the ideas introduced are completed. The only reason this film works is because Webb directed Garfield and shot the scenes in a way that made us really pull for Peter and Gwen.

 

[chaseter]

didnt nolan and goyer have a basic blueprint for three movies
Before batman begins? But wanted all of their movies to stand on their own? I read that a long time ago leading up to BB premiere. Hell he even planned to have joke in tdkr.

I don't think they had villains or intricate plot lines mapped out. Things change so easily in Hollywood like Heath's death for example. I wouldn't be surprised if he had an idea for Batman beginning, Batman falling, and then Batman rising. That's basically the trilogy arc of every superhero ever. I highly, highly doubt he said that he would have Scarecrow in every movie, Two-Face in the second, or have Rachel die and Catwoman come on as the love interest in the third movie before he started filming the first movie. That's just not how things work. They didn't even know if Batman Begins would flop like say Green Lantern. Studios say they are planning sequels all the time but it's just internet talk to hype up the current movie. Those plans about Joker being in the third movie occurred during production of TDK. If the first movie is considered a success, then the director starts to look ahead at completing the trilogy. The first movie is usually a gamble and they put all their effort into that movie. That's what I get from reading production books.

What I'm saying is that ASM just felt like a half a movie. They drop major plot lines, 2 of them, halfway through the movie just for the sake of the sequel. It hurt the main character's arc for the first movie. It felt incomplete What did Peter actually learn at the end of the first movie? Nothing. He didn't learn responsibility because Ben's killer is running loose still. He didn't learn anything about his parents other than what Google told him. Then, the one time he has a man die in his arms and gives him a lesson to learn, 5 minutes later Peter has forgotten that lesson and then the movie ends. It's just a mediocre script.

 

[sontin]

He didn't learn responsibility because Ben's killer is running loose still.

And that's the biggest problem of the movie: They ****ed up the crucial part of Spider-Man's legend.

What's the reason for the storyline at all? He will not kill the guy. He will beat him up and give him to the police. Will anybody see this?

 

[mayo23]

He doesn't need to catch Uncle Ben's killer to learn responsibility in this version because catching Uncle Ben's killer isn't a prerequisite for learning responsibility. Saving an entire from the Lizard is. Whether or not you agree with how they did it is irrelevant, but you can't say he "didn't learn responsibility".

 

[Jexx]

Peter doesn't learn 'with great power comes great responsibility', he learns it when he realizes that the guy he let go was the one who killed Uncle Ben.

He realized that the guy who killed Uncle Ben was the one he let go when the police gave him the suspect sketch and was told that the guy had a star tattooed on his left wrist and remembered that the guy in the gas station looked like the sketch and had a star tattooed on his left wrist.

Some people just are grasping at straws here.

 

[The Guard]

I don't think "Not succeeding at catching the killer" means you didn't learn responsibility...that's just silly.

 

[Mike]

Lost all credibility. And no Nolan and Goyer didn't have a blueprint for 3 films. He knew he was using the Joker in Part 2 and during production of it he thought maybe the Joker could scar Harvey in Part 3, but he did the smart thing and included the best ideas he had at the time in what he was working with. He said just after TDK came out he wasn't going to do TDKR until he could figure out the right story. Batman Begins works as a stand alone film, the ideas introduced are completed. The only reason this film works is because Webb directed Garfield and shot the scenes in a way that made us really pull for Peter and Gwen.

for goblin? Watch that damn movie again and tell me dafoe doesnt ham it up as goblin lol.We'll meet again spider-man! Sleeeeeeep. Its bitsy spider song. I dont blame dafoe, hes an outstanding actor but he was a staurday morning cartoon character with no real ambition but to kill spider-man.

 

[Jick]

I don't think "Not succeeding at catching the killer" means you didn't learn responsibility...that's just silly.

Agreed. Spidey took the responsibility of saving those people in the bridge, for example.
I believe that, when he brought the eggs home after the rough night he had, that was a clear symbol of his growth.

 

[chaseter]

I don't think "Not succeeding at catching the killer" means you didn't learn responsibility...that's just silly.

He didn't confront his Uncle's killer and thus did not learn anything. There was no moment where he realizes that revenge won't bring his uncle back and that he was given this power to not be used for selfish reasons. The entire plot arc was dropped as soon as Connors became Lizard. It was pathetic.

 

[©KAW]

We'll see it him capture Ben's killer in the sequel, let's just hope that he doesn't let him fall to his death or let him go free because he says... SORRY!

 

[chaseter]

He doesn't need to catch Uncle Ben's killer to learn responsibility in this version because catching Uncle Ben's killer isn't a prerequisite for learning responsibility. Saving an entire from the Lizard is. Whether or not you agree with how they did it is irrelevant, but you can't say he "didn't learn responsibility".

You are 100% wrong. Peter is responsible for the death of Ben. Him having to overcome the fact that he could have stopped the man that killed his Uncle and that revenge is not the answer is the moment that Spider-Man is born. Here, he never has that moment. It's dropped 60 minutes in and not referenced again until the very end where we see that he has the mug shot on his wall above his computer. It's shameless sequel bait that hurt the development of Peter in this movie.

Bringing home eggs doesn't mean he has learned responsibility. It means that he will be there for Aunt May after being a vacuous *****e. He will still have that moment where he catches the killer and realizes what he should have realized in this movie.

 

[Jexx]

Realizing revenge won't bring his uncle back as a realization WAS in the movie..

Captain Stacy's lines at the dinner table made Peter realize that.

 

[chaseter]

We'll see it him capture Ben's killer in the sequel, let's just hope that he doesn't let him fall to his death or let him go free because he says... SORRY!

He will chase him down on his skateboard.

 

[©KAW]

Sequel bait is usually in most comic book films, why is this new to you all?

 

[DeathChill]

I was under the impression that Peter knew it was the guy who stole from the store. I thought Peter saw the gun and star tattoo when the robber leaned over the counter, but maybe I am misremembering.

 

[Jexx]

..why are people hating on the skateboard?

 

[chaseter]

Realizing revenge won't bring his uncle back as a realization WAS in the movie..

Captain Stacy's lines at the dinner table made Peter realize that.

Yet the photo still remains pinned up to his wall. Stacy telling Peter what he knew the motive of the masked vigilante didn't make Peter realize that with great power comes great responsibility. If that were true, then he would have no reason to pursue the killer anymore. Then that means that Captain Stacy made Peter Parker become Spider-Man. What a great origin story.

 

[©KAW]

He will chase him down on his skateboard.

Hilarious.

As long as he doesn't let him go free, as if Uncle Ben meant nothing to him as in the vision of your master Raimi.

 

[chaseter]

Sequel bait is usually in most comic book films, why is this new to you all?

Name me a movie that has two of the main plots for character motivation dropped halfway through the movie to serve only for sequel bait.
GO!

 

[Spider-Fan]

Yet the photo still remains pinned up to his wall. Stacy telling Peter what he knew the motive of the masked vigilante didn't make Peter realize that with great power comes great responsibility. If that were true, then he would have no reason to pursue the killer anymore. Then that means that Captain Stacy made Peter Parker become Spider-Man. What a great origin story.

I kind of agree here. In this movie, Spider-Man wasn't created by the death of Ben Parker. The hero was created by Capt Stacy making him realize he is careless. Spider-Man is born when he saves the kid after Stacy tells him he isn't out to save anyone. I have to agree, it does downplay the importance of Uncle Ben's death a bit. That said, I liked Capt. Stacy in the film and his death scene. It says something that his death resonated more with me than Ben's did.

 

[chaseter]

Hilarious.

As long as he doesn't let him go free, as if Uncle Ben meant nothing to him as in the vision of your master Raimi.

Herlurious!

Petty insults huh?