Superman Returns Mark Millar's thoughts on the movie . . .

[skruloos]

i gotta agree...

most comic movies are so intent on focusing on the man, they forget about the costume.

Of course they do. Because what ulimately resonates in any story is the human aspect, not the fantastic.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

^ Of course it don't but when its bad reviews against SR it means much then right?

Uh Dude, I absolutely hate what Singer did to the X-films and expect Rattner to give me all of the stuff I hate, plus more.

And to answer your ridiculously childish question:

I have always stated that I would give SR a chance, but it does look pretty damn underwelming to me, X-men underwelming.

And oh yeah, you sound like a little whinny b***h.

 

[Superman \S/]

i gotta agree...

most comic movies are so intent on focusing on the man, they forget about the costume.

Are you implying that when it comes to costumes, there isn't much effort put into them? Are you forgetting Spider-Man? Raimi wanted the costume to look great and make it feel as if it was a suit that would fit the discription of a spider. Just look at it on screen and how Spidey moves in it, I think the suit was nalied. Plus in Spider-Man 2 the suit changed a little and now in SM3 the suit changed again. They changed the lenses and the webing seems to have a bit more detail. Surely they wouldn't forget about the costumes for heroes, it's what makes them stand out. Same goes for Superman, he's been gone from the big screen for decades and look what happened they made sure the suit would differ from Reeve's because Superman in SR has been gone for such a long time. Singer made sure it would be different and it very well is, he wanted it to be the way he though tit should be. By the looks of it, people are starting to catch on and the suit looks great. In the long run, the suits for movie heroes play an important role just has bringing the heroes from comic to the movies.

 

[The Batman]

wow...that post completely missed my point, lol....

I meant that the films focus too much on the secret identity compared to the hero. the Spidey flicks are mostly about love story, and barely about Spidey. Batman Begins focused so much on Bruce Wayne, that they neglected elements of the batman, such as his detective skills.

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

I´m a big fan of Mark Millar, and he is right in some points, but way off at anothers.

I almost wept like a baby when I heard that Bryan was doing this flick after so many scares with Burton, Cage, killer polar bears and scripts based on a 1990s comic-book marketing stunt.

Hey, Mr.Millar, for all we know, Superman "dies" in this movie, which means that, to some extend, they do base it a bit on a 1990s comic-book marketing stunt.
But, i agree 100%, it´s just stupid to try to make "The Death of Superman" right off the bat, but it seems that, since the idea of making a new Superman movie came to be, everyone and their mother wanted him to "die".
Which is just ridiculous....

It just seemed to lack any moments. Only a fool judges a movie based on a trailer, but there only needed to be one money shot-- one big moment-- to get me excited...

Exactly!
I said it in my first post about the trailer, it just lacked the epic feel.
The point of a trailer is not the show the all story (like many do), but to show money shots, to make people excited for it, and, of course to give a feel of the movie itself.
Just look at 2nd Miami Vice trailer, that´s an amazing trailer, because it doesn´t show you nothing about the story, but it gives enough to get you excited.

Superman isn't about his relationship with Lois Lane and their kid. It's about Superman doing 'cool ****' and I worry he's not going to be doing enough in this novie.

You lost me there, buddy.
Since when is a movie about doing cool ****?
When is a comic book movie about doing cool ****?
When he said doing cool ****, the first thing that pops to my head is a popcorn movie, which is not what he writes in comics, so, i don´t get it?
But if that´s the case...dude, continue to write comics, but stay the hell away from movies.

Also, it seems like Superman 5.

That´s it, that exactly it.
The all pre-crisis continuation feel, does give it a Superman 5 vibe, which is totally wrong and absurd.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

wow...that post completely missed my point, lol....

I meant that the films focus too much on the secret identity compared to the hero. the Spidey flicks are mostly about love story, and barely about Spidey. Batman Begins focused so much on Bruce Wayne, that they neglected elements of the batman, such as his detective skills.

It didnt miss the mark with me.

 

[CConn]

I saw this thread earlier, but I just got around to reading it now. Why? because I hate reading. Anyhoo, Millar's thoughts seem to be more than a bit on the side of contradictory. First he says he doesn't like where the story's going, then compares SR to two of the best superhero movies ever.

I'm sure he cares about Superman, I'm sure his thoughts are honest, and I know he isn't a hack simply because I disagree with his opinion, but I can't get the feeling that his negatives are a positive for me; I hope SR is in the same vein as BB and SM2, I would accept nothing less; yeah, I would've would've preferred a post-crisis-styled restart, however STM is generally considered to be one of the greatest superhero movies ever - but to me, painfully outdated - I can't mind that that SR would be like it.

Like I said, to me, his criticisms don't really seem that negative. SR has never looked like my definite Superman movie, but it's always looked like a damn good movie. To me, at least.

 

[Superman \S/]

wow...that post completely missed my point, lol....

I meant that the films focus too much on the secret identity compared to the hero. the Spidey flicks are mostly about love story, and barely about Spidey. Batman Begins focused so much on Bruce Wayne, that they neglected elements of the batman, such as his detective skills.

How could i miss your point when you were talking about the costumes?

Anyway, aside from the heroes, for Superman Singer is making sure he focuses on the three elements, Clark on the farm, Clark the reporter of Metropolis and ofcourse Superman. Ofcourse hero movies are about the heroes, but they can never forget who they really are. By the looks of it we'll be getting a decent amonut of all three and that's fine with me.

 

[Hunter Rider]

yeah, I would've would've preferred a post-crisis-styled restart. SR has never looked like my definite Superman movie, but it's always looked like a decent movie. To me, at least.

I feel the same just with one slight word alteration

 

[Superman \S/]

Same here hunter.

 

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

Uh Dude, I absolutely hate what Singer did to the X-films and expect Rattner to give me all of the stuff I hate, plus more.

And to answer your ridiculously childish question:

I have always stated that I would give SR a chance, but it does look pretty damn underwelming to me, X-men underwelming.

And oh yeah, you sound like a little whinny b***h.

I think you're great..

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I really don't care at all what he has to say. No critic will EVER make me change my mind towards this movie. I have to see it with my own eyes and I will decide if it was a good movie or not.

As will Millar, which he points out in his website. Trailers can hardly be judged for the movie, which is worth pointing out that Millar did write.

i gotta agree...

most comic movies are so intent on focusing on the man, they forget about the costume.

You've got a point. Some comic films seem to overdo it at times....I thought THE HULK did. But, other films pull it off and make it work.

Of course they do. Because what ulimately resonates in any story is the human aspect, not the fantastic.

True, but it sucks when they lay it on too thick.

I meant that the films focus too much on the secret identity compared to the hero. the Spidey flicks are mostly about love story, and barely about Spidey. Batman Begins focused so much on Bruce Wayne, that they neglected elements of the batman, such as his detective skills.

Well, it is Batman Begins........

Exactly!
I said it in my first post about the trailer, it just lacked the epic feel.
The point of a trailer is not the show the all story (like many do), but to show money shots, to make people excited for it, and, of course to give a feel of the movie itself.
Just look at 2nd Miami Vice trailer, that´s an amazing trailer, because it doesn´t show you nothing about the story, but it gives enough to get you excited.

I dunno.....I got excited. The finale of the trailer had be jumpin with the plane. But, I can see how others wouldn't feel the same.

I saw this thread earlier, but I just got around to reading it now. Why? because I hate reading.

I'm with you there bud.

Anyhoo, Millar's thoughts seem to be more than a bit on the side of contradictory. First he says he doesn't like where the story's going, then compares SR to two of the best superhero movies ever.

Yeah, that's true. He does seem like a rabid fanboy who's nervous as hell though...Batman Begins.....nothing but good.

I'm sure he cares about Superman, I'm sure his thoughts are honest, and I know he isn't a hack simply because I disagree with his opinion, but I can't get the feeling that his negatives are a positive for me; I hope SR is in the same vein as BB and SM2, I would accept nothing less; yeah, I would've would've preferred a post-crisis-styled restart, however STM is generally considered to be one of the greatest superhero movies ever - but to me, painfully outdated - I can't mind that that SR would be like it.

Yeah.....namely, that seems to be Millar's stand. That being a sequel seems it might hold it back. More like an ending than a beginning.....which is somewhat true.

The film looks great though.....and I'm not nervous at all personally.

 

[Superman \S/]

I think you're great..

That's an awesome avvy you got Robo.

 

[gdw]

Uh Dude, I absolutely hate what Singer did to the X-films and expect Rattner to give me all of the stuff I hate, plus more.

And to answer your ridiculously childish question:

I have always stated that I would give SR a chance, but it does look pretty damn underwelming to me, X-men underwelming.

And oh yeah, you sound like a little whinny b***h.

Complaining about the costume, the kid, hell even the acting, I can understand where people are coming from. But there is absolutely NOTHING about this movie that can make anyone say it looks underwhelming.

My god, what the hell have you guys been keeping up with?

Opens with an epic space journey, moves onto a world that has learned to live without a hero, but has become a darker place for it, which leads to our heros growth story now an actually gives us reason to CARE about a guy who is practically invincible, and THEN we really get going with a HUGE 20 MINUTE plane rescue, and we've only JUST gotten to seeing Superman for the first time.

From here we get a glimps at some grand scale rescues, the first confrontation with Luthor at the fortress where Superman is brought to the brink of death, he falls off a cliff, makes his way to the FOS,and then back to Metropolis, were we are treated to a disaste that threatens the ENTIRE WORLD with ripping the ground apart, not just Earthquakes, but sharp jaggs rocks jutting through the ground, a near Titanic type boat ripping in half and sunk, and what ever great finale there is to get rid of NK.

I'm sorry, your right, that Is pretty mild and weak sounding. Hardly enough to even raise my pulse.

 

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

That's an awesome avvy you got Robo.

Thanks dude..

i'm sorry to say.. i took it from another site.

 

[gdw]

Exactly!
I said it in my first post about the trailer, it just lacked the epic feel.
The point of a trailer is not the show the all story (like many do), but to show money shots, to make people excited for it, and, of course to give a feel of the movie itself.
Just look at 2nd Miami Vice trailer, that´s an amazing trailer, because it doesn´t show you nothing about the story, but it gives enough to get you excited.

I'm sorry, but that is EXACTLY what the SR trailer did. All it was was a seris of exciting AND emotional scenes, that really told you almost NOTHING about the story, aside from the little things you need to know;

There's Luthor plotting evil, Superman has returned (very key) and he still loves Lois, but she has a kid.

Out side of the returning and the kid (which you NEED to inform the audience about in the trailer as they are two main premises for the film) the rest is naturally assumed anyways with a Superman film, so the whole rest of the trailer focuses on grabing your interest.

Also, the returning, and kid, are ALSO there to grab interest because they are what's different. Otherwise people may just look at it and go, "meh, just another Superman film."

All this trailer WAS was epic, just look at the first shot alone.

 

[Superman \S/]

Thanks dude..

i'm sorry to say.. i took it from another site.

No problem.

Really? I thought hunter made it lol, i had a similar idea.

What site would that be?

 

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

Its posted in his avatar thread.

 

[Superman \S/]

Its posted in his avatar thread.

Muaha!!! Cool i'll check it out. Thanks man.

 

[SuperDaniel]

I don`t care about what Millar says. He is not going to like the movie. I am. Big deal.

 

[Kane]

lol I guarantee he'll change his tune if everyone else likes it..

 

[Superman \S/]

Awesome avvy once again Robo!

 

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

well..i have alot of them..thanks to hunter and i guess i'm just greedy.

thanks

 

[Superman \S/]

I can see that haha, and that site as great avvys. Thanks again man.

 

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

no problem dude..

always here to help.