So you're saying that people only started praising Revee's performance after the accident? I'm pretty sure he was acclaimed at the time that STM came out
A "fanboy" like me would get upset, yes. Because superherores are not the only constant in my life. I also like music, and sometimes watch movies that have nothing to dop with men in tights
I don't see it as the Holy Grail of superhero pictures, but it's definitely in my Top 10.Matt said:
Well, remember that this film was released in 1978, when the "Armageddon = 1987" rumors were beginning to form. Even though the Cuban Missile Crisis had ended more than a decade earlier, nuclear war still generated a massive fear in the American public's consciousness. Plus, "Star Wars" had just hit in '77, so its likely that Warner Bros. was out to "steal Lucas' thunder", as the saying goes. Besides, what would most people's reactions be today if some maniac actually tried to blow up California for any reason? Ten to one we'd probably be freaking out.
Such a move would've required more weaponry and manpower than even Luthor could gain. In the end, his main offensive strategy is his brain, not brawn.
Hackman and Brando were the "A-listers" of modern 1970s cinema. Hackman even says himself on the DVD documentaries, "I'd thought of it only as a cartoon character; but then I spoke with [Richard Donner], and I really wanted to do this role for him."
That whole aspect of the character wasn't Donner's idea. Siegel & Shuster based the original Kryptonian prologue on the Biblical story of Moses, so that's always been there...Donner & Mankiewicz just amped it up a bit.
I noticed that, too...but I think what Donner and "Mank" were trying to say is that Supes' vast speed was fueled by his grief and anger over Lois' death. He was prepared to do anything - no matter what it took - to save her.
You're welcome to your opinion, but Reeve was always the best Superman I ever saw, even before his accident (I was 15 in '95). To date, the only one I've seen come close to his performance is Tom Welling (and I thought that before "Rosetta" aired, so don't start...)
Time for me to insult another classic movie...this time, a fanboy favorite...Superman the Movie:
What a pile of crap. Every fanboy on this board hails it as if it were the herald of God, himself. News flash, its not that good.
Lets start with the plot...Superman, a man whose power is infinite and Lex Luthor, a man who is supposed to be a brilliant criminal mastermind...and what is the plot? Lex and his two idiot cronies (really, couldn't find better henchmen?) high jack nuclear missiles in order to...wait for it...CONDUCT A PLOT TO SEPERATE THE WEST COAST FROM THE CONTINENTAL UNITED STATES SO THAT HIS REAL ESTATE VALUES INCREASE!.......really? I mean, really? Forget about using the nuclear missiles to blow up DC and stage a coup, or to even just black mail the United States into giving him money. He has to go through with some ridiculous plot to increase real estate value? This is what Superman is stopping? I would've rather seen Nuclear Man. Hell, I would've rather seen Richard Pryor.
And sure, the movie has some decent character development seens, but they are brought down to the level of B-movie through the atrocious acting of Margot Kidder and the over the top phone in of Gene Hackman.
Also, wtf is with the allegory? Why exactly did Donner feel the need to turn Superman into the second coming of Christ? Was Jor-El some kind of prophet? Was he a psychic? Could he see the future? Was anything of this nature alluded to in the script? Naaah, but somehow he was able to foresee his son becoming Earth's new messiah.
And speaking of plot holes...Superman can fly fast enough to turn the Earth backwards and reverse time (And I will not even discuss the stupidity of such a concept or the cheap deus ex machina cop out of it)...but he cannot fly from the East Coast to the West Coast to get two missiles? Really?
And finally...Christopher Reeve...overrated. Were it not for his accident, he would be signing autographs at San Diego Comic Con for five dollars a pop and that would be like, 60 % of his yearly income. He would not be remembered as any kind of great actor, and rightfully so, because he wasn't that good. The myth of him is greater than who he really. is.
And oh my God, talk about having aged horribly. Plan 9 From Outerspace is more watchable than this today and less campy. Clark tripped over something HAHAHA! THATS SO FUNNY! LUTHOR'S WIG CAME OFF! HAHAHA BALD PEOPLE ARE FUNNY!
Now granted, the sequel is actually still pretty good...but still, talk about a crappy foundation to build off. And I personally am glad that Richard Lester came onto Superman II, because he did fix many of Donner's mistakes. Sure, he may be responsible for the super kiss, but it is less corny, there is no cheesey turning the earth backwards fix-everything climax...it is a better movie as a result of Lester. There, someone had to say it.
So yeah, many consider this to be the father of comic movies...I consider it to be the creepy uncle who is not allowed within 500 yards of a child that no one likes to talk about.
This has been another classic movie, trashed by Matt.
블라스;15819317 said:
WTF? Matt, how can you criticize anything? How long have you been learning to make a sticky?
'Mod'.
:heart:
You can have the wink and the grin, but I'm retracting the heart, k?
I'll give you a Fett-man and cement it with an I kid you not in exchange for a heart.
People who don't like Superman: The Movie suck.
JL Bats was right. The power has gone to your head.
He's too busy taking shivs, blowin' smoke, and saying things like 'I'm Always Around', when he's been gone for 5 years.
You hate the music?
Dude.
Except Hunter.
Time for me to insult another classic movie...this time, a fanboy favorite...Superman the Movie:
What a pile of crap. Every fanboy on this board hails it as if it were the herald of God, himself. News flash, its not that good.
Lets start with the plot...Superman, a man whose power is infinite and Lex Luthor, a man who is supposed to be a brilliant criminal mastermind...and what is the plot? Lex and his two idiot cronies (really, couldn't find better henchmen?) high jack nuclear missiles in order to...wait for it...CONDUCT A PLOT TO SEPERATE THE WEST COAST FROM THE CONTINENTAL UNITED STATES SO THAT HIS REAL ESTATE VALUES INCREASE!.......really? I mean, really? Forget about using the nuclear missiles to blow up DC and stage a coup, or to even just black mail the United States into giving him money. He has to go through with some ridiculous plot to increase real estate value? This is what Superman is stopping? I would've rather seen Nuclear Man. Hell, I would've rather seen Richard Pryor.
And sure, the movie has some decent character development seens, but they are brought down to the level of B-movie through the atrocious acting of Margot Kidder and the over the top phone in of Gene Hackman.
Also, wtf is with the allegory? Why exactly did Donner feel the need to turn Superman into the second coming of Christ? Was Jor-El some kind of prophet? Was he a psychic? Could he see the future? Was anything of this nature alluded to in the script? Naaah, but somehow he was able to foresee his son becoming Earth's new messiah.
And speaking of plot holes...Superman can fly fast enough to turn the Earth backwards and reverse time (And I will not even discuss the stupidity of such a concept or the cheap deus ex machina cop out of it)...but he cannot fly from the East Coast to the West Coast to get two missiles? Really?
And finally...Christopher Reeve...overrated. Were it not for his accident, he would be signing autographs at San Diego Comic Con for five dollars a pop and that would be like, 60 % of his yearly income. He would not be remembered as any kind of great actor, and rightfully so, because he wasn't that good. The myth of him is greater than who he really. is.
And oh my God, talk about having aged horribly. Plan 9 From Outerspace is more watchable than this today and less campy. Clark tripped over something HAHAHA! THATS SO FUNNY! LUTHOR'S WIG CAME OFF! HAHAHA BALD PEOPLE ARE FUNNY!
Now granted, the sequel is actually still pretty good...but still, talk about a crappy foundation to build off. And I personally am glad that Richard Lester came onto Superman II, because he did fix many of Donner's mistakes. Sure, he may be responsible for the super kiss, but it is less corny, there is no cheesey turning the earth backwards fix-everything climax...it is a better movie as a result of Lester. There, someone had to say it.
So yeah, many consider this to be the father of comic movies...I consider it to be the creepy uncle who is not allowed within 500 yards of a child that no one likes to talk about.
This has been another classic movie, trashed by Matt.
