But the legs show people aren't interested. Which is definitely not good.
Maybe, but it's still a decent result for the new franchise overall. You can try and do some stuff come a sequel to maybe get those numbers up or use the Doomsday platform to help elevate them to a higher BO ceiling.
I took their take as meaning Superman didn’t have another superhero film in its immediate orbit prior to its debut. In other words, when Superman came out it was the first and only choice for people who love CBMs. By the time Fantastic Four arrived, audiences now had two choices. Now, let’s say a lot of those people took their families to see Superman more than once. They might have exhausted their budgets for July. And with F4 undoubtedly coming to Disney Plus within the next couple of months, they opted to sit F4 out.
For me the issue is that there is a lowering floor for these type of movies now. F4 is performing a lot like Ant-Man and the Wasp domestically. I believe adjusted for inflation, they'd be rather similar.
But that isn't really a fault of FF's specifically nor is the shrinking of the various international markets. There is a lot at play when it comes to all that, chief amongst them being polticial stuff that is out of all our hands until we can hopefully vote for someone who won't hurt our standing elsewhere.
Here is the problem with this. Superman is still dropping well. People are still engaging with it. They are choosing it over F4. Same with JW. That is an issue with the F4. Not all CS are built the same. MoS also had an A-. Did it have the same domestic reception as Superman? Of course not. JW had a B and is clearly going over far better with families then F4. Unless a movie gets a A or A+, there is always a chance it's skewing based on a fanbase reaction that will not show how GA is reacting.
No? GotG, Doctor Strange, Homecoming, Black Panther, and Captain Marvel all did well over 600m. I think after Phase 1, only Ant-Man didn't break 600m (they made 520m with Ant-Man!) before the pandemic. And Shang-Chi and Eternals doing over 400m was definitely decent business for that time. The former's domestic run had rather good legs.
Homecoming and Black Panther though are sort of spinoff movies to Civil War, though. So I would put an asterisk next to those ones. They're not true debut 1st movies like FF was here.
Exactly. And that ought to have taught them something about how to better introduce new characters, but it appears it didn’t take.
Black Panther destroyed Civil War. And it wasn't because T'Challa was in CW.
I def think it helped quite a bit. As people want to say, CW was a sort of Avengers movie lite, and he had a very prominent role in it. You can't convince me that was not a factor. The entire reason it succeeded? No. It's a high quality movie and got a BP nomination for a reasom. But it certainly contributed
Spider-Man's performance emphasize why this wasn't the case. Same with Civil War.
No cause Deadpool was a sequel to another movie in a different franchise that crossed over. Not at all a debut. And again, I didn't say CW is the only reason BP succeeded. But it did help. After Avengers came out, and the franchises got the Avengers bump, Iron Man 3 got a larger bump than Cap or Thor did. But they all still got bumps. So, being introduced prior in another billion dollar movie grants you a bump that this being your first movie doesn't
Yeah I’m sure they’re wishing they’d have expanded that montage. This and Thunderbolts were both well reviewed yet found lacking in the action department with softer than expected box office results. FF really reminded me of a Singer X-men film and those werent box office juggernauts either.This is where I feel the film did come up short in the editing department. For example, the flash-back scenes of the FF fighting Red Ghost, Mole Man, Giganto, etc. could have been drawn out a LOT more than they were. They had an opportunity to recreate the FF’s first front comic cover and gave it literally 2 seconds of time on screen. If you blinked you missed it—and there was such a great chance there to show the Four using their powers for a bigger action sequence. Arguably the Little Ceasers Pizza commercial gave us more of that battle.
It's an MCU debut. Using these rules, it's a debut film.
So, having character exposure in a movie that made a billion dollars helped in absolutely no way?
I didn't say in no way. That's a strawman. But it's not nearly as big a part as you seem to want to argue it is.
I am not writing off BP's cultural significance. But as I said, after Avengers, both Thor and Cap got Avengers bumps, but not to the extent Iron Man 3 did. But why do you think Marvel put him in CW? Reason: exposure to sell his spinoff. That's why he was there. Admitting that doesn't diminish why it succeeded. Marvel did a great job at marketing that character. The BO reflects success in that strategy.
